The son begotten when?

[NickHassan]

Hi SH,
You will see every falsehood possible proclaimed here.
But we can learn from their mistakes

[davidbfun]

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2010,23:40) Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,20:29) Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,19:02) Quote (davidbfun @ July 14 2010,18:40) Hi Kathi, Jesus was face to face with his physical mother Mary and what did he call her but “Woman” (John 2.4) so does that mean that we can not call Mary his mother?   In another instance he didn't recognize her presence but said, “Who is my mother…” (Mt 12.46+; Mk 3) In Lu 2:48-9 Look at his response to her direct questioning of her being anxious and worrying:   And He said to them, “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?” He did not call God his Father YHVH either so what does this mean? Everybody else on this site says this is the name of God so why didn't he use it (rhetorical). I still call the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, but I recognize that SHE is probably the one who bore Jesus, NOT God the Father.  And if she bore Jesus what would you call her?  Mother! David David, Are you really contending that Mary was not the 'mother' of Jesus but instead the 'woman' of Jesus.  Truly I do not think that you doubt that Mary, who gave birth to Jesus was as someone other than His mother.  Why do you act like Jesus didn't ever call her mother? Are you insinuating that a goddess came upon Mary to conceive.  I think you are trying too hard here.  I'm done with this goddess holy spirit essence that you can not find in the scriptures.  The Holy Spirit is 'of' the Father not with the Father. Maybe I will discuss another topic with you but I don't buy your take on this one…sorry. Hi Kathi, No, I am NOT contending that Mary was not the mother of Jesus, she was.  All I was trying to point out is how he addressed her.  In our society today it would be very chauvanistic and belittling the treatment he gave her.  Look at how odd Jesus' response is in Luke. Luke 11:27-28 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.” I was trying to make a comparison of how anonymous Mary was to the anonymity of The Holy Spirit…neither one receiving glory or praise. What the angel reported to Mary was that which is about to come upon you is of the Holy Spirit (which is a feminine noun). So…. Is the Holy Spirit, God? Yes or No! I am sorry that this topic angers you.  I'll try not to bring it up again to you unless you ask. I'm trying to be in unity with the Holy Spirit and my brethren at this site.  But also I am trying to share the truth as I know it….and in writing it is a bit tougher than in person using words. David Hi Davidbfun, I'm sorry that I sounded angry, I just do not see the scriptural support for which your have shared in nearly every post that you have made and it concerns me that you are writing a book, I assume, about this theory.  Maybe your book is of something else, idk. Regarding the anonymity of the Holy Spirit (which is a neuter noun in the Greek as you know), if the Holy Spirit is the spirit within the Father, then every time the Father is praised and glorified and worshiped, so is the spirit within Him.  That is why the Spirit is not singled out as one of three in the many verses that I recently posted.  The Spirit is as much a part of the Father as His very mind, as I understand it.  It is unnecessary to say, for instance, The Father and His mind is on the throne.  That is obvious.  I think it is the same as the Spirit.  The Spirit can be considered as the 'inner person' of the Father but not a seperate, equal person.  Our inner person does not require a separate introduction when we introduce ourselves to someone.  If we are acknowledged, then our inner person is also acknowledged.  I do believe that our inner person is a masculine term in the Greek not that it should give support to a doctrine that the inner person has a particular gender.  It seems to me that the inner person would take on the gender of the outer person. If my aunt were laying in a casket at her funeral, it could be said of her that she was not there but with the Lord.  If my uncle were laying in a casket at his funeral, it could be said of him that he was not there but with the Lord.  Do you see my point? The Father's 'inner person' has a very unique ability to remain within the Father and unite with the Son's and the believer's spirit to form one spirit. You are right about being limited in how we can express ourselves through the written word when body language and tone of our voice adds much more fullness. I would like it if you would address my two posts on the preceding page with all the verses that do not include the Holy Spirit. Thanks! Hi Davidbfun, I have bumped this post in case you missed it.  I would really like you to read the verses which I will place here from the post that I refer to. Quote I really do not see the teaching in scriptures that the Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus.  When I read these scriptures below, if the Holy Spirit was equally the Mother of the Son of God as the Father is the Father of the Son of God, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in most if not all of these along with the Father? Matt 24:36 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. NASU John 5:23 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. NASU John 5:26 26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; NASU John 6:40 40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” NASU John 6:46 46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. NASU 1 John 2:23-24 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. NASU 2 John 3 3 Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and fro m Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. NASU 2 John 9 9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. NASU Please let me know your thoughts David…thanks! Blessings, Kathi

Hi Kathi, Yes I missed it, sorry.

I will split up my responses, ok?

I am getting flack for responding about God being male and female but since you asked I will respond dealing with the gender issue.

Elohim = God (noun, masc & fem, singular)
YHVH = masc entity
Holy Spirit = fem entity.

Simple direct answer to your questions….No, the Holy Spirit is not listed as “Mother” in Scripture.

My comment comes from logic and nothing else.

Starting with the Thread…son begotten when???

Begetting = to sire, to father vs birthing, bringing forth

By definition beget is the action done by the male to impregnate.

Birthing is done by the female to bring forth into existence the offspring.

If the Father impregnates who brings forth the child?  The Mother, no? So, if YHVH is God the Father who is the other part of Elohim that is “The Female”? The Holy Spirit… and she brings forth the “son of God” (Elohim)

Now if we can see YHVH as God, the Father why not see the Holy Spirit as God, the Mother? Elohim = {YHVH, Holy Spirit}

The Holy Spirit is a feminine noun and if Mary was “come upon” by the Holy Spirit who was it? God, the Holy Spirit!  Now unfortunately this “God” is feminine so what does that make her? Goddess…sorry.  What did the Holy Spirit put into Mary?  The son of God.  Phil 2:7 he emptied himself and took on the form of man-servant…becoming “The son of Man”.

What physical form did he empty himself from? Angelic body. Angels don't die so Jesus had to empty himself from an indestructible body so he could die obediently.

Man has now the ability to do in-vitro fertilization, which is essentially what the Holy Spirit did with the son of God in order for him to become the son of Man.

David

[davidbfun]

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2010,20:39) Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2010,23:40) Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,20:29) Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,19:02) Quote (davidbfun @ July 14 2010,18:40) Hi Kathi, Jesus was face to face with his physical mother Mary and what did he call her but “Woman” (John 2.4) so does that mean that we can not call Mary his mother?   In another instance he didn't recognize her presence but said, “Who is my mother…” (Mt 12.46+; Mk 3) In Lu 2:48-9 Look at his response to her direct questioning of her being anxious and worrying:   And He said to them, “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?” He did not call God his Father YHVH either so what does this mean? Everybody else on this site says this is the name of God so why didn't he use it (rhetorical). I still call the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, but I recognize that SHE is probably the one who bore Jesus, NOT God the Father.  And if she bore Jesus what would you call her?  Mother! David David, Are you really contending that Mary was not the 'mother' of Jesus but instead the 'woman' of Jesus.  Truly I do not think that you doubt that Mary, who gave birth to Jesus was as someone other than His mother.  Why do you act like Jesus didn't ever call her mother? Are you insinuating that a goddess came upon Mary to conceive.  I think you are trying too hard here.  I'm done with this goddess holy spirit essence that you can not find in the scriptures.  The Holy Spirit is 'of' the Father not with the Father. Maybe I will discuss another topic with you but I don't buy your take on this one…sorry. Hi Kathi, No, I am NOT contending that Mary was not the mother of Jesus, she was.  All I was trying to point out is how he addressed her.  In our society today it would be very chauvanistic and belittling the treatment he gave her.  Look at how odd Jesus' response is in Luke. Luke 11:27-28 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.” I was trying to make a comparison of how anonymous Mary was to the anonymity of The Holy Spirit…neither one receiving glory or praise. What the angel reported to Mary was that which is about to come upon you is of the Holy Spirit (which is a feminine noun). So…. Is the Holy Spirit, God? Yes or No! I am sorry that this topic angers you.  I'll try not to bring it up again to you unless you ask. I'm trying to be in unity with the Holy Spirit and my brethren at this site.  But also I am trying to share the truth as I know it….and in writing it is a bit tougher than in person using words. David Hi Davidbfun, I'm sorry that I sounded angry, I just do not see the scriptural support for which your have shared in nearly every post that you have made and it concerns me that you are writing a book, I assume, about this theory.  Maybe your book is of something else, idk. Regarding the anonymity of the Holy Spirit (which is a neuter noun in the Greek as you know), if the Holy Spirit is the spirit within the Father, then every time the Father is praised and glorified and worshiped, so is the spirit within Him.  That is why the Spirit is not singled out as one of three in the many verses that I recently posted.  The Spirit is as much a part of the Father as His very mind, as I understand it.  It is unnecessary to say, for instance, The Father and His mind is on the throne.  That is obvious.  I think it is the same as the Spirit.  The Spirit can be considered as the 'inner person' of the Father but not a seperate, equal person.  Our inner person does not require a separate introduction when we introduce ourselves to someone.  If we are acknowledged, then our inner person is also acknowledged.  I do believe that our inner person is a masculine term in the Greek not that it should give support to a doctrine that the inner person has a particular gender.  It seems to me that the inner person would take on the gender of the outer person. If my aunt were laying in a casket at her funeral, it could be said of her that she was not there but with the Lord.  If my uncle were laying in a casket at his funeral, it could be said of him that he was not there but with the Lord.  Do you see my point? The Father's 'inner person' has a very unique ability to remain within the Father and unite with the Son's and the believer's spirit to form one spirit. You are right about being limited in how we can express ourselves through the written word when body language and tone of our voice adds much more fullness. I would like it if you would address my two posts on the preceding page with all the verses that do not include the Holy Spirit. Thanks! Hi Davidbfun, I have bumped this post in case you missed it.  I would really like you to read the verses which I will place here from the post that I refer to. Quote I really do not see the teaching in scriptures that the Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus.  When I read these scriptures below, if the Holy Spirit was equally the Mother of the Son of God as the Father is the Father of the Son of God, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in most if not all of these along with the Father? Matt 24:36 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. NASU John 5:23 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. NASU John 5:26 26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; NASU John 6:40 40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” NASU John 6:46 46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. NASU 1 John 2:23-24 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, let that abide in you which you h eard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. NASU 2 John 3 3 Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. NASU 2 John 9 9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. NASU Please let me know your thoughts David…thanks! Blessings, Kathi Hi Kathi, Yes I missed it, sorry. I will split up my responses, ok? I am getting flack for responding about God being male and female but since you asked I will respond dealing with the gender issue. Elohim = God (noun, masc & fem, singular) YHVH = masc entity Holy Spirit = fem entity. Simple direct answer to your questions….No, the Holy Spirit is not listed as “Mother” in Scripture. My comment comes from logic and nothing else. Starting with the Thread…son begotten when??? Begetting = to sire, to father vs birthing, bringing forth By definition beget is the action done by the male to impregnate. Birthing is done by the female to bring forth into existence the offspring. If the Father impregnates who brings forth the child?  The Mother, no? So, if YHVH is God the Father who is the other part of Elohim that is “The Female”? The Holy Spirit… and she brings forth the “son of God” (Elohim) Now if we can see YHVH as God, the Father why not see the Holy Spirit as God, the Mother? Elohim = {YHVH, Holy Spirit} The Holy Spirit is a feminine noun and if Mary was “come upon” by the Holy Spirit who was it? God, the Holy Spirit!  Now unfortunately this “God” is feminine so what does that make her? Goddess…sorry.  What did the Holy Spirit put into Mary?  The son of God.  Phil 2:7 he emptied himself and took on the form of man-servant…becoming “The son of Man”. What physical form did he empty himself from? Angelic body.  Angels don't die so Jesus had to empty himself from an indestructible body so he could die obediently. Man has now the ability to do in-vitro fertilization, which is essentially what the Holy Spirit did with the son of God in order for him to become the son of Man. David

Hi Kathi,

The Holy Spirit consists of 7 spirits listed in Is 11:2
1-Spirit of YHVH
2-Fear of YHVH
3-Counsel
4-Understanding
5-Power (Strength)
6-Knowledge
7-Wisdom

Look at 1 Cor 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God (YHVH) no one knows except the Spirit of God (YHVH).

This is comparing two beings with similar likenesses and individual entities. First, man with his body and spirit and God with His body and spirit.

We can see that man is ONE with two substances 1- Body 2-Spirit….in the likeness of God.

If you look hard you can see that the Spirit of YHVH is an attribute of the Holy Spirit and NOT YHVH and this verse is showing you that. YHVH has a physical body and the Holy Spirit is obvious spirit. “She” knows the thoughts of YHVH, he doesn't.

It is important to be able to see the two distinct and separate persons within Elohim in order to fully understand God. If you place the Holy Spirit as a “part” of YHVH you have gotten it backwards and diminished Her existence. If you notice, the Holy Spirit is THE Power of Elohim, not YHVH. That is just one of her 7 functions and missions. She is YHVH's spirit.

And going along with the thread she brought forth the son of Elohim that YHVH begat.

Kathi, I would be glad to address things via PM if you'd like. I am not here to anger nor upset and if we could do a question and answer format we could correspond quicker.

David

YHVH Elohim (LORD God) walked physically in the Garden with Adam and Eve.

YHVH sent “His only begotten son”.

[davidbfun]

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2010,20:39) Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2010,23:40) Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,20:29) Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,19:02) Quote (davidbfun @ July 14 2010,18:40) Hi Kathi, Jesus was face to face with his physical mother Mary and what did he call her but “Woman” (John 2.4) so does that mean that we can not call Mary his mother?   In another instance he didn't recognize her presence but said, “Who is my mother…” (Mt 12.46+; Mk 3) In Lu 2:48-9 Look at his response to her direct questioning of her being anxious and worrying:   And He said to them, “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?” He did not call God his Father YHVH either so what does this mean? Everybody else on this site says this is the name of God so why didn't he use it (rhetorical). I still call the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, but I recognize that SHE is probably the one who bore Jesus, NOT God the Father.  And if she bore Jesus what would you call her?  Mother! David David, Are you really contending that Mary was not the 'mother' of Jesus but instead the 'woman' of Jesus.  Truly I do not think that you doubt that Mary, who gave birth to Jesus was as someone other than His mother.  Why do you act like Jesus didn't ever call her mother? Are you insinuating that a goddess came upon Mary to conceive.  I think you are trying too hard here.  I'm done with this goddess holy spirit essence that you can not find in the scriptures.  The Holy Spirit is 'of' the Father not with the Father. Maybe I will discuss another topic with you but I don't buy your take on this one…sorry. Hi Kathi, No, I am NOT contending that Mary was not the mother of Jesus, she was.  All I was trying to point out is how he addressed her.  In our society today it would be very chauvanistic and belittling the treatment he gave her.  Look at how odd Jesus' response is in Luke. Luke 11:27-28 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.” I was trying to make a comparison of how anonymous Mary was to the anonymity of The Holy Spirit…neither one receiving glory or praise. What the angel reported to Mary was that which is about to come upon you is of the Holy Spirit (which is a feminine noun). So…. Is the Holy Spirit, God? Yes or No! I am sorry that this topic angers you.  I'll try not to bring it up again to you unless you ask. I'm trying to be in unity with the Holy Spirit and my brethren at this site.  But also I am trying to share the truth as I know it….and in writing it is a bit tougher than in person using words. David Hi Davidbfun, I'm sorry that I sounded angry, I just do not see the scriptural support for which your have shared in nearly every post that you have made and it concerns me that you are writing a book, I assume, about this theory.  Maybe your book is of something else, idk. Regarding the anonymity of the Holy Spirit (which is a neuter noun in the Greek as you know), if the Holy Spirit is the spirit within the Father, then every time the Father is praised and glorified and worshiped, so is the spirit within Him.  That is why the Spirit is not singled out as one of three in the many verses that I recently posted.  The Spirit is as much a part of the Father as His very mind, as I understand it.  It is unnecessary to say, for instance, The Father and His mind is on the throne.  That is obvious.  I think it is the same as the Spirit.  The Spirit can be considered as the 'inner person' of the Father but not a seperate, equal person.  Our inner person does not require a separate introduction when we introduce ourselves to someone.  If we are acknowledged, then our inner person is also acknowledged.  I do believe that our inner person is a masculine term in the Greek not that it should give support to a doctrine that the inner person has a particular gender.  It seems to me that the inner person would take on the gender of the outer person. If my aunt were laying in a casket at her funeral, it could be said of her that she was not there but with the Lord.  If my uncle were laying in a casket at his funeral, it could be said of him that he was not there but with the Lord.  Do you see my point? The Father's 'inner person' has a very unique ability to remain within the Father and unite with the Son's and the believer's spirit to form one spirit. You are right about being limited in how we can express ourselves through the written word when body language and tone of our voice adds much more fullness. I would like it if you would address my two posts on the preceding page with all the verses that do not include the Holy Spirit. Thanks! Hi Davidbfun, I have bumped this post in case you missed it.  I would really like you to read the verses which I will place here from the post that I refer to. Quote I really do not see the teaching in scriptures that the Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus.  When I read these scriptures below, if the Holy Spirit was equally the Mother of the Son of God as the Father is the Father of the Son of God, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in most if not all of these along with the Father? Matt 24:36 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. NASU John 5:23 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. NASU John 5:26 26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; NASU John 6:40 40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” NASU John 6:46 46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. NASU 1 John 2:23-24 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, let that abide in you which you h eard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. NASU 2 John 3 3 Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. NASU 2 John 9 9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. NASU Please let me know your thoughts David…thanks! Blessings, Kathi Hi Kathi, Yes I missed it, sorry. I will split up my responses, ok? I am getting flack for responding about God being male and female but since you asked I will respond dealing with the gender issue. Elohim = God (noun, masc & fem, singular) YHVH = masc entity Holy Spirit = fem entity. Simple direct answer to your questions….No, the Holy Spirit is not listed as “Mother” in Scripture. My comment comes from logic and nothing else. Starting with the Thread…son begotten when??? Begetting = to sire, to father vs birthing, bringing forth By definition beget is the action done by the male to impregnate. Birthing is done by the female to bring forth into existence the offspring. If the Father impregnates who brings forth the child?  The Mother, no? So, if YHVH is God the Father who is the other part of Elohim that is “The Female”? The Holy Spirit… and she brings forth the “son of God” (Elohim) Now if we can see YHVH as God, the Father why not see the Holy Spirit as God, the Mother? Elohim = {YHVH, Holy Spirit} The Holy Spirit is a feminine noun and if Mary was “come upon” by the Holy Spirit who was it? God, the Holy Spirit!  Now unfortunately this “God” is feminine so what does that make her? Goddess…sorry.  What did the Holy Spirit put into Mary?  The son of God.  Phil 2:7 he emptied himself and took on the form of man-servant…becoming “The son of Man”. What physical form did he empty himself from? Angelic body.  Angels don't die so Jesus had to empty himself from an indestructible body so he could die obediently. Man has now the ability to do in-vitro fertilization, which is essentially what the Holy Spirit did with the son of God in order for him to become the son of Man. David

Hi Kathi,

Re: your aunt & uncle's casket…..

Lu 23:46 “Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.”

Jesus died and his spirit was immediately in Heaven with his Father while his body went into a tomb. Specifically showing that the Body and Spirit are not the same entities but make up the ONE person who has two separate identities.

Unlike Jesus who resurrected his own body with his spirit our spirits will be given a new, uncorruptible body, hallelujah.

If by your definition that God is omnipresent how could YHVH be God? He is physically sitting on a throne and Jesus is at His right hand….not to mention he walked in the Garden with Adam and Eve.  And what about Scripture that says God is Spirit? Or is the Scripture specifically addressing one of the three entities (Elohim, YHVH, Holy Spirit) and with our pre-conceived thoughts place the wrong entity in the Scripture?

The above concepts are all correct depending on which aspect of Elohim you are addressing. God (YHVH) is sitting on a throne and God (Holy Spirit) is spirit.

Again this is why I keep defining Elohim and El.

It helps to look at Elohim as the WHOLE and YHVH and Holy Spirit as subsets.  YHVH alone doesn't make up Elohim, nor does the Holy Spirit but together they do.  And putting the Holy Spirit inside of YHVH you have eliminated Her.

I agree with you Kathi about my spirit being of the same gender as I am….as “it” is within me.  However, the Holy Spirit is not inside YHVH but is inside Elohim and is a separate entity from YHVH. A small part of her is inside YHVH just as the “Comforter” is inside us…but as an omnipresent infinite being she is everywhere.  By compressing her and placing her within the confines of YHVH is a misconception.  She is everywhere all of the time…YHVH is limited on His throne.

YHVH in His physical form is limited to the space He occupies whereas the Holy Spirit is omnipresent. So, by placing an infinite being (HS) within a finite being (YHVH)and then say that the infinite being no longer exists outside the body is the same as putting the holy Spirit in YHVH and eliminating her existence altogether.

I have been reading a lot how people here think that the Holy Spirit is Intellect or the mind within YHVH….again denying the Holy Spirit. What is the only unpardonable sin?

Talk to you later, Kathi,

God sweetly bless you,

David

[NickHassan]

Hi DBF,
1Peter3 shows the soul of Jesus alive in the Spirit visiting Hades.
It could not hold him and neither can it hold his brothers.[mt16.18]

[Proclaimer]

Sometimes we don't need to quote a long post when you are replying immediately after it. It becomes hard to follow a conversation when there are too many quotes.

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ July 22 2010,13:08)

Quote Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus. Holy Spirit is the Mother of Jesus ? Jeepers. I thought Mary was; still someone else says Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus and has Gods blood…my my, what so much weighing does to people–lean not on your own understanding but pray to the Lord for wisdom and for wisdom to learn what valuable little time should be spent learning exactly what maybe ?

Hi Shimmer,

'still someone else says Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus'
(Matt.1:18,1:20 / Luke 1:35) 'and has Gods blood' (Acts 20:28)

Do you not believe what what the bible teaches?
Do you offer a different explanation for these verses?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Ed J.

You might want to know that there are different versions of Acts 20:28 and some state Lord instead of God.   That sounds like a error by an early scribe or early translator to me as God is spirit and therefore has no blood.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

[shimmer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2010,14:31)

Hi SH, You will see every falsehood possible proclaimed here. But we can learn from their mistakes

Yeah I have been reading here awhile —

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 22 2010,20:35)

Ed J. You might want to know that there are different versions of Acts 20:28 and some state Lord instead of God.   That sounds like a error by an early scribe or early translator to me as God is spirit and therefore has no blood. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

Science suggests that blood in the fetus comes from the father. (1Timothy 6:20)
Do you believe Jesus (according to Kerwin) had Adam's blood in him? (Act's 20:28)

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2010,21:25)

'still someone else says Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus' (Matt.1:18,1:20 / Luke 1:35) 'and has Gods blood' (Acts 20:28) Do you not believe what what the bible teaches? Do you offer a different explanation for these verses?

I gather Holy Spirit is Sophia [wisdom] so no I could not agree with you.

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ July 22 2010,20:54)

Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2010,21:25) 'still someone else says Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus' (Matt.1:18,1:20 / Luke 1:35) 'and has Gods blood' (Acts 20:28) Do you not believe what what the bible teaches? Do you offer a different explanation for these verses? I gather Holy Spirit is Sophia [wisdom] so no I could not agree with you.

HI Shimmer,

I can only plant the seed, it's YHVH's Job to procure it's growth! (Luke 8:5-11)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Luke 18:7-8)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Ed J.

I have not heard the hypothesis you claim scientists have so I cannot answer your question. I know scripture testifies that all mankind descends from Adam and therefore we all have Adam's DNA as well as Eve's modified by the action of God and the Oppressor. I am convinced that Jesus is a human being just like you or me so what is true in general of all human beings is also true of him.

I am also convinced that Jesus sealed the contract between God and man with his own blood when he died on the cross and in this way he purchased the assembly of God.

Jesus is not God but he is the one God appointed as King over both heaven and earth. Satan though is currently in possession of earth which is in rebellion against the Kingdom of God. Those that Jesus has called are the ones who have stopped rebelling and pledged their loyalty to God and show it by living by the spirit in both words and deeds.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

edited to correct my spelling.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 22 2010,21:24)

Ed J. I have not heard the hypothosis you claim scientists have so I cannot answer your question.  I know scripture testifies that all mankind decends from Adam and therefore we all have Adam's DNA as well as Eve's modified by the action of God and the Opressor.  I am convinced that Jesus is a human being just like you or me so what is true in general of all human beings is also true of him. I am also convinced that Jesus sealeed the contract between God and man with his own blood when he died on the cross and in this way he purchased the assembly of God. Jesus is not God but he is the one God apointed as King over both heaven and earth.  Satan though is currently in possesion of earth wich is in rebellion against the Kingdom of God.  Those that Jesus has called are the ones who have stopped rebelling and pledged their loyalty to God and show it by living by the spirit in both words and deeds. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

Do you believe in Preexistence?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Quote (shimmer @ July 23 2010,04:38)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2010,14:31) Hi SH, You will see every falsehood possible proclaimed here. But we can learn from their mistakes Yeah I have been reading here awhile —

Hello Shimmer,

Here is some info that I gathered concerning the Holy Spirit hopefully it can help:

Holy Spirit consists of (7) spirits: (Isaiah 11:2)

1- Spirit of YHVH  
2-Wisdom
3-Understanding        
4- Counsel
5-Strength (Power)    
6-Knowledge
7- Fear of YHVH

There are (7) fruits of the spirit.  (Galatians 5:22)

1-Love
2-Joy
3-Peace
4-Patience
5-Kindness
6-Goodness
7-Faithfulness

1 Cor 12:3 … no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 12:4-6 There are varieties of gifts (same Spirit), varieties of ministries (same Lord “YHVH”), and varieties of effects but the same God “Elohim” who works all things in all persons.

Heb 2:4 God “Elohim” also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His “Elohim” own will.

Words in quotes are mine.

May God bless you in your learning.

David

[davidbfun]

Quote (shimmer @ July 23 2010,04:54)

Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2010,21:25) 'still someone else says Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus' (Matt.1:18,1:20 / Luke 1:35) 'and has Gods blood' (Acts 20:28) Do you not believe what what the bible teaches? Do you offer a different explanation for these verses? I gather Holy Spirit is Sophia [wisdom] so no I could not agree with you.

Hi Shimmer,

If you look at my previous post you can see that “Wisdom” is only one of the 7 traits that comprise the Holy Spirit so you are partially right in your viewpoint. You'll also see that “Power” is another trait that will displayed in Luke below.

The quotes Ed used in Mt 1:18,20 show precisely what the HS did… the “en vitro” fertization of Mary….NOT YHVH as He has a physical body.  

Reading Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

Holy Spirit = Power of the Most High (Elohim)

This is showing that the HS is not Most High (Elohim) and that “it” is doing “its” own work (Power = overshadow Mary) as a separate “person” from Most High.

David

[davidbfun]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2010,21:31)

Hi SH, You will see every falsehood possible proclaimed here. But we can learn from their mistakes

Hello Nick,

It is hard to learn from a mistake if they don't know it is one. I prefer they learn from the truth. And that to be shown by the Holy Spirit…and Santa's little helpers.

David

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 23 2010,05:03)

Quote (shimmer @ July 23 2010,04:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2010,14:31) Hi SH, You will see every falsehood possible proclaimed here. But we can learn from their mistakes Yeah I have been reading here awhile — Hello Shimmer, Here is some info that I gathered concerning the Holy Spirit hopefully it can help: Holy Spirit consists of (7) spirits: (Isaiah 11:2) 1- Spirit of YHVH   2-Wisdom 3-Understanding         4- Counsel 5-Strength (Power)     6-Knowledge 7- Fear of YHVH There are (7) fruits of the spirit.  (Galatians 5:22) 1-Love 2-Joy 3-Peace 4-Patience 5-Kindness 6-Goodness 7-Faithfulness 1 Cor 12:3 … no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:4-6 There are varieties of gifts (same Spirit), varieties of ministries (same Lord “YHVH”), and varieties of effects but the same God “Elohim” who works all things in all persons. Heb 2:4 God “Elohim” also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His “Elohim” own will. Words in quotes are mine. May God bless you in your learning. David

Hi David,

1 Cor 12:3 … no one can say, “Jesus is Lord=151,” except by the “Holy Spirit”=151. (Click Here)

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus=151
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi DBF,
God's Spirit is not different from wisdom or the other abilities of that Spirit.

[JustAskin]

DavidBFun,

The Holy Spirit is NOT doing it's OWN work. It is doing what God's indwelling word tells it to do.

Adrenalin is pumped into the body when their is a fear factor or requirement for a burst of energy. Is the Pituitary gland operating “Of it's own”, then?

The Holy Spirit “Searches” and knows the inner thoughts of God – Because it is Part of God – Just as the Spirit of Man searched and knows the inner thoughts of the man in whom it resides – As God – such is as Man on a smaller scale.

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