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Quote (JustAskin @ July 20 2010,18:18) Has anyone noticed that WJ and KJ have abandoned the Trinity?
JAAre we changing the subject?
WJ
They are now lost.
And even more curious,… They both did it at the same time.
They are dependent on each other…
They support each other blindly…
They are their own support.
Has WJ or KJ ever claimed the support of the Holy Spirit?
WJ cannot even say that he 'Worships Jesus'!
And KJ….believes only in himself obtaining Power!!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2010,10:20) Hi KJ,
You seem to be an expert on angel anatomy.
Do give us your sources.
Nick,I asked you. Do angels have penises? Yes or no? How do angels marry women? Genesis says that the sons of God took the daughters of men (Cain) as wives.
Why did God destroy all mankind for the sins of angels? Why did God reply to the sons of God saying, “My Spirit shall not always strive with man for he too is flesh.”
If it was the sin of angels, then why is mankind the target of God's punishment?
Please answer my questions.
KJ
Quote (JustAskin @ July 20 2010,18:24) They are now lost. And even more curious,… They both did it at the same time.
They are dependent on each other…
They support each other blindly…
They are their own support.
Has WJ or KJ ever claimed the support of the Holy Spirit?
WJ cannot even say that he 'Worships Jesus'!
And KJ….believes only in himself obtaining Power!!
Lies.I remember clearly speaking of worshipping the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and you just ignored the post, remember?
But continue on with what you do best and that is speaking non substantive words that have no scriptural basis or no truth in them, but only ad hominems!
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ July 21 2010,10:24) They are now lost. And even more curious,… They both did it at the same time.
They are dependent on each other…
They support each other blindly…
They are their own support.
Has WJ or KJ ever claimed the support of the Holy Spirit?
WJ cannot even say that he 'Worships Jesus'!
And KJ….believes only in himself obtaining Power!!
JA,Do angels have penises? Yes or no? How did they marry women? Genesis 6 says that the sons of God took the daughters of men (Cain) as wives. Why did God blame mankind for the sins of angels?
KJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 20 2010,18:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2010,10:20) Hi KJ,
You seem to be an expert on angel anatomy.
Do give us your sources.
Nick,I asked you. Do angels have penises? Yes or no? How do angels marry women? Genesis says that the sons of God took the daughters of men (Cain) as wives.
Why did God destroy all mankind for the sins of angels? Why did God reply to the sons of God saying, “My Spirit shall not always strive with man for he too is flesh.”
If it was the sin of angels, then why is mankind the target of God's punishment?
Please answer my questions.
KJ
They can't because you are speaking the truth and they hate the truth. That is why they can only resort to accusations and attacking of the persons.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 21 2010,10:30) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 20 2010,18:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2010,10:20) Hi KJ,
You seem to be an expert on angel anatomy.
Do give us your sources.
Nick,I asked you. Do angels have penises? Yes or no? How do angels marry women? Genesis says that the sons of God took the daughters of men (Cain) as wives.
Why did God destroy all mankind for the sins of angels? Why did God reply to the sons of God saying, “My Spirit shall not always strive with man for he too is flesh.”
If it was the sin of angels, then why is mankind the target of God's punishment?
Please answer my questions.
KJ
They can't because you are speaking the truth and they hate the truth. That is why they can only resort to accusations and attacking of the persons.
WJ
Keith,Yeah and JA comes up with this stuff about our alleged abandoning the trinity.
Jack
WJ and KJ,
You ignore the claim that angels, spirit creatures, can created human bodies and enter their spirit into them.
Do you do this purposely?
Quote (JustAskin @ July 20 2010,19:07) WJ and KJ, You ignore the claim that angels, spirit creatures, can created human bodies and enter their spirit into them.
Do you do this purposely?
Please!Where is there a scripture that says Angels can “create” human bodies and indwell them?
WJ
Oxy,
Yes,
The Trinitarians used to be good adversaries allowing true believers to use them as Scriptural Muscle exercisers.But since Trinitarians cannot advance themselves, in that any advancement means abandoning the Doctrine of the Trinity, they have resorted to just being obstanate, simply refuting everything in a vain attempt to show that they are, somehow, 'Scripturally intelligent' (and failing exceptionally well, too).
WJ,
Where is the Scripture verse that says they can't?
(the above is silly but valid.)
Who are the 'Sons of God', different from the 'Sons of Man'?
'Sons of God' are Spirit Creatures 'created' by God.
'Sons of Man' are humans 'born' from humans.
And Jack,
Where does it say any of the things you says it says.
Where is it said that the daughters of men were 'Cain's daughters and that the 'Sons of God' were 'Seth's Sons'.
Jack, you not very clever, are you?
And WJ, why follow a 'not clever at all person'?
Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2010,23:40) Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,20:29) Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,19:02) Quote (davidbfun @ July 14 2010,18:40) Hi Kathi, Jesus was face to face with his physical mother Mary and what did he call her but “Woman” (John 2.4) so does that mean that we can not call Mary his mother?
In another instance he didn't recognize her presence but said, “Who is my mother…” (Mt 12.46+; Mk 3)
In Lu 2:48-9 Look at his response to her direct questioning of her being anxious and worrying: And He said to them, “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?”
He did not call God his Father YHVH either so what does this mean? Everybody else on this site says this is the name of God so why didn't he use it (rhetorical).
I still call the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, but I recognize that SHE is probably the one who bore Jesus, NOT God the Father. And if she bore Jesus what would you call her? Mother!
David
David,
Are you really contending that Mary was not the 'mother' of Jesus but instead the 'woman' of Jesus. Truly I do not think that you doubt that Mary, who gave birth to Jesus was as someone other than His mother. Why do you act like Jesus didn't ever call her mother?Are you insinuating that a goddess came upon Mary to conceive. I think you are trying too hard here. I'm done with this goddess holy spirit essence that you can not find in the scriptures. The Holy Spirit is 'of' the Father not with the Father.
Maybe I will discuss another topic with you but I don't buy your take on this one…sorry.
Hi Kathi,No, I am NOT contending that Mary was not the mother of Jesus, she was. All I was trying to point out is how he addressed her. In our society today it would be very chauvanistic and belittling the treatment he gave her. Look at how odd Jesus' response is in Luke.
Luke 11:27-28 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”
I was trying to make a comparison of how anonymous Mary was to the anonymity of The Holy Spirit…neither one receiving glory or praise.
What the angel reported to Mary was that which is about to come upon you is of the Holy Spirit (which is a feminine noun). So….
Is the Holy Spirit, God? Yes or No!
I am sorry that this topic angers you. I'll try not to bring it up again to you unless you ask.
I'm trying to be in unity with the Holy Spirit and my brethren at this site. But also I am trying to share the truth as I know it….and in writing it is a bit tougher than in person using words.
David
Hi Davidbfun,
I'm sorry that I sounded angry, I just do not see the scriptural support for which your have shared in nearly every post that you have made and it concerns me that you are writing a book, I assume, about this theory. Maybe your book is of something else, idk.Regarding the anonymity of the Holy Spirit (which is a neuter noun in the Greek as you know), if the Holy Spirit is the spirit within the Father, then every time the Father is praised and glorified and worshiped, so is the spirit within Him. That is why the Spirit is not singled out as one of three in the many verses that I recently posted. The Spirit is as much a part of the Father as His very mind, as I understand it. It is unnecessary to say, for instance, The Father and His mind is on the throne. That is obvious. I think it is the same as the Spirit. The Spirit can be considered as the 'inner person' of the Father but not a seperate, equal person. Our inner person does not require a separate introduction when we introduce ourselves to someone. If we are acknowledged, then our inner person is also acknowledged. I do believe that our inner person is a masculine term in the Greek not that it should give support to a doctrine that the inner person has a particular gender. It seems to me that the inner person would take on the gender of the outer person.
If my aunt were laying in a casket at her funeral, it could be said of her that she was not there but with the Lord. If my uncle were laying in a casket at his funeral, it could be said of him that he was not there but with the Lord. Do you see my point?
The Father's 'inner person' has a very unique ability to remain within the Father and unite with the Son's and the believer's spirit to form one spirit.
You are right about being limited in how we can express ourselves through the written word when body language and tone of our voice adds much more fullness.
I would like it if you would address my two posts on the preceding page with all the verses that do not include the Holy Spirit.
Thanks!
Hi Davidbfun,
I have bumped this post in case you missed it. I would really like you to read the verses which I will place here from the post that I refer to.Quote I really do not see the teaching in scriptures that the Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus. When I read these scriptures below, if the Holy Spirit was equally the Mother of the Son of God as the Father is the Father of the Son of God, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in most if not all of these along with the Father? Matt 24:36
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
NASUJohn 5:23
23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
NASUJohn 5:26
26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
NASUJohn 6:40
40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
NASUJohn 6:46
46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
NASU1 John 2:23-24
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
NASU2 John 3
3 Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
NASU2 John 9
9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides i
n the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
NASUPlease let me know your thoughts David…thanks!
Blessings,
KathiNick,
Maybe only time as we know it began at Genesis. We know that the future eternity is always day…no night. But there seems to be an order of things happening within the 'day' of eternity; one thing came before another.Quote Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus. Holy Spirit is the Mother of Jesus ? Jeepers. I thought Mary was; still someone else says Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus and has Gods blood…my my, what so much weighing does to people–lean not on your own understanding but pray to the Lord for wisdom and for wisdom to learn what valuable little time should be spent learning exactly what maybe ?
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