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- April 2, 2009 at 7:54 pm#126382NickHassanParticipant
Hi Georg,
When Jesus returns to call his brothers to meet with him in the air it will not go unnoticed.April 2, 2009 at 11:43 pm#126397CindyParticipantThat is the unfortunate lie that is preached by all ministers, it has people believing, all they have to do is go to a church, and when the trouble starts they all go to heaven. I can't blame you for wanting to believe that.
Georg
April 3, 2009 at 12:16 am#126409NickHassanParticipantHuh?
April 3, 2009 at 8:34 am#126465CindyParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,12:16) Huh?
If you have problems understanding that, ask me, and I will explain it to you.Georg
April 3, 2009 at 8:37 am#126468NickHassanParticipantHi Georg,
I have never said men go to heaven.
Scripture shows the great tribulation begins with a time of sorrows and finishes with the wrath of God.We are not destined to face the wrath of God.
April 3, 2009 at 8:42 am#126472CindyParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,20:37) Hi Georg,
I have never said men go to heaven.
Scripture shows the great tribulation begins with a time of sorrows and finishes with the wrath of God.We are not destined to face the wrath of God.
Explain to me the great tribulation.Georg
April 4, 2009 at 7:57 am#126567CindyParticipantNick, I would like to here your explanation on “the great tribulation”
Georg
April 4, 2009 at 9:10 am#126574NickHassanParticipantHi Georg,
It is in the bible.April 4, 2009 at 12:10 pm#126585CindyParticipantIs that your explanation?
Show me where.
Georg
April 4, 2009 at 5:58 pm#126604NickHassanParticipantHi Georg,
Can you not find it?
Many are saved through it.Revelation 7:15
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.April 4, 2009 at 7:12 pm#126628CindyParticipantThat is the scripture I thought you would show, this is what it really says.
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Notice, it is verse 14, not 15, then it says, (“These are they which came out of great tribulation,”).
There is no (“the”) in there, does that matter? very much. Every one of these martyrs, saints, came out of great tribulation. They are the once that were persecuted first by the Romans, and then by Antichrist. Would you be able to see your children tortured, your wife burned on a stake, and than be thrown in an arena full of wild animals, and not deny Christ? I call that a great tribulation, and I thank God we don't have to face that today.
No sir. if you think there is another “great tribulation” coming, you have to think of something else.
I know, the world is facing God's wrath, but that is not the great tribulation your thinking of, is it?Georg
April 4, 2009 at 7:38 pm#126629NickHassanParticipantThanks for your opinion georg.
April 4, 2009 at 11:27 pm#126651CindyParticipantYou still haven't explained your “great tribulation”.
One thing you have proven, you don't read my posts right, and you don't read the bible right.Georg
April 4, 2009 at 11:34 pm#126652NickHassanParticipantHi georg,
We do not have your glasses to reach the same conclusions.
They are very much in doubt.April 4, 2009 at 11:48 pm#126655CindyParticipantYou really don't have an answer, do you. You don't even know what the tribulation is; if it were to come yet, you wouldn't know when, and you have no clue that it has already happened. But you got to keep up the pretense, Nick Hassan, the man that has all the answers, but no understanding.
You know why I keep up with you, my hope was, and is, that my answers will help someone else to learn, some one that has an interest in truth, I know you don't.Georg
April 5, 2009 at 12:14 am#126656NickHassanParticipantHi georg,
Perhaps you have confused the beginning of sorrows with the wrath of God?April 5, 2009 at 11:44 am#126688CindyParticipantI am really saddened by the fact that there is no interest shown for truth, and understanding, on this side. It seems as so you Nick, have been chosen by all others, to be the champion for traditional teaching.
Jesus was the light of the world, but the world loved darkness, and it still does. Jesus spoke of his church as a little flock, if 80% of Americans, who claim to be Christians, were his body, that would not be a little flock.
There is a big difference in thinking you have the Holy Spirit, and knowing you do. As long as you follow traditional teaching, you only think you do. The fact that you reject any teaching without testing, and reasoning, shows that you thing you do.
It is to bad I had to realise this side is not for learning and teaching, it is only for opinionating.
What a waste.Georg
April 5, 2009 at 4:11 pm#126704NickHassanParticipantHi Georg,
Your opinions are always welcome.
But your pronouncements are not always truth.April 5, 2009 at 8:33 pm#126712CindyParticipantWhat good are opinions? they are only to make the opinionator look smart.
If you understand what you're talking about, you don't give opinions, you give facts.Georg
April 5, 2009 at 8:49 pm#126716NickHassanParticipantHi Georg,
The historical facts you offer are true.
But the weak links you give to scripture are your opinions.Jesus did not return before our birth and you should know that proves you wrong.
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