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In addition to being a servant of God, here are some other interesting ways that Jesus is related:
Jesus is a servant of God. (Acts 3:13)
Jesus prays to God. (John 17:1-3)
Jesus has faith in God. (Hebrews 2:17,18 Hebrews 3:2)
Jesus does not know things God knows. (Mark 13:32 Revelation 1:1)
Jesus worships God. (John 4:22)
Jesus has one who is God to him. (Revelation 3:12)
Jesus is in subjection to God. (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Jesus’ head is God. (1 Corinthians 11:1)
Jesus has reverent submission, fear, of God. ( Hebrews 5:7)
Jesus is given lordship by God. (Acts 2:36)
Jesus is exalted by God. (Acts 5:31)
Jesus is made high priest by God.. (Hebrews 5:10)
Jesus is given authority by God. (Philippians 2:9)
Jesus is given kingship by God. (Luke 1:32,33
Jesus is given judgment by God. (Acts 10:42)
“God rasied [Jesus] from the dead.” (Acts 2:24, Romans 10.9, 1 Cor 15:15)
Jesus is at the right hand of God. (Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Romans 8:34)
Jesus is the one human mediator between the one God and man. (1 Tim 2:5)
God put everything, except Himself, under Jesus. (1 Cor 15:24-28)
Jesus is a man. No one (I hope) is denying that. That's why He is a servant of God. But He's also God. That's why He's equal to the Father.
John is in subjection to Philip.
Does this statement prove that Philip is a superior being to John?
No.
Quote (Tim2 @ April 22 2007,17:22) Jesus is a man. No one (I hope) is denying that. That's why He is a servant of God. But He's also God. That's why He's equal to the Father.
Hi Tim2,
Men are not God.
God is not a man.Back to the drawing boards.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2007,18:12) Doesn't being “born again” involve repentance? What did Yeshua have to repent of?
Hi Isaiah 1:18 and WJ:What does the term “born again” mean to you?
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2007,11:00) Quote (kenrch @ April 22 2007,01:21) The Word became Flesh but was not God's Son until He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism? First born of the dead. That's when He was Born again?
And again He will be my Son.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?He was the son at baptism and again after His resurrection.
So we are His children and will be again after our resurrection?All question marks in case you haven't noticed
Hi kenrch,
Who is the son of God shown in Proverbs 30?
What's his name?Pro 30:4 Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME? Surely you know!
Quote (942767 @ April 23 2007,14:32) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2007,18:12) Doesn't being “born again” involve repentance? What did Yeshua have to repent of?
Hi Isaiah 1:18 and WJ:What does the term “born again” mean to you?
God Bless
Hi SDN,
From my perspective a repentant sinner is born again when they recieve the Spirit of Christ, when they are reborn they become a “new creature” in Christ.Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:3-6)
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. (2 Corinthians 5:17)
“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. (Galations 2:20)
What's your understanding?
Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 23 2007,20:14) Quote (942767 @ April 23 2007,14:32) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2007,18:12) Doesn't being “born again” involve repentance? What did Yeshua have to repent of?
Hi Isaiah 1:18 and WJ:What does the term “born again” mean to you?
God Bless
Hi SDN,
From my perspective a repentant sinner is born again when they recieve the Spirit of Christ, when they are reborn they become a “new creature” in Christ.Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:3-6)
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. (2 Corinthians 5:17)
“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. (Galations 2:20)
What's your understanding?
Can you see the kingdom of heaven?Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:When my spirit bears witness of another brother or sister I see the kingdom of heaven. If Christ dwell in you then you are not of this world but are of His kingdom which is in you.
Follow the Spirit and see the kingdom of heaven for it exist NOW.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 23 2007,20:14) Quote (942767 @ April 23 2007,14:32) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2007,18:12) Doesn't being “born again” involve repentance? What did Yeshua have to repent of?
Hi Isaiah 1:18 and WJ:What does the term “born again” mean to you?
God Bless
Hi SDN,
From my perspective a repentant sinner is born again when they recieve the Spirit of Christ, when they are reborn they become a “new creature” in Christ.Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:3-6)
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. (2 Corinthians 5:17)
“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. (Galations 2:20)
What's your understanding?
Hi Isaiah 1:18:I answered this under the thread entitled “What is meant by born again”.
God Bless
Hi,
Jesus is a servant of God.
The servants of God work in the power of God according to faith.
Mk 6
5And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6And he marvelled because of their unbelief.Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 22 2007,17:27) John is in subjection to Philip. Does this statement prove that Philip is a superior being to John?
No.
Hi Isaiah 1:18:In a Christian marriage, my wife is supposed to be in subjection to the Lord through me. No, I am not superior to her, but it is not my own thoughts that she is to obey but the Word of God. Jesus did not teach his own thoughts but taught what came to him from the Father.
1Co 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.But, 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (This indicates to me that He is superior to all including Jesus.)God Bless
Quoted from Worshipping Jesus
Quote Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2007,10:08) Hi W,
Is Jesus not your Lord?
He should be.
NHYou missed the point.
Zech 14:9
And the LORD (YHWH) shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be *one LORD*, and *his name one*.You have already mentioned the “One Name”, now the above scripture says that there shall be One Lord and One name and YHWH shall be King over all the earth!
Who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
He is Yeshua the Word/God, YHWH in the flesh.
Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:How many Lords and Gods do you have NH?
If Jesus is your Lord and master then he must be your Lord and God, or you break the first commandment.
You can not serve two masters for you will either hate the one or Love the Other!
There is only One Lord and One God!
942767
Quote One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (This indicates to me that He is superior to all including Jesus.) Says who?
Have a Look 94!
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.94. It seems that Jesus, The Mighty God, is referred to above as The everlasting Father.
One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”.
There is one Godhead, and one mediator between the Godhead and men. Jesus Christ our mediator, was incarnate as a man yet He was still God.
How do I know? Look!!
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
TITUS 2:13 ..awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Compare
Psa 41:13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
With
MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.Compare
1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:
With
MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .Compare
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
With (John the Baptist referring to Jesus)
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Compare1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
With
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.Compare
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
With
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 18:6 When therefore he said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground.Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Mat 23:24 Isa 42:20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
Hi CB,
You say
“One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”.There is one Godhead, and one mediator between the Godhead and men. Jesus Christ our mediator, was incarnate as a man yet He was still God.”
Where is our God described as a godhead?
The three different greek words in the kjv translated as such refer to godly nature?
Are there three with offices within that “godhead” yet all have the office of being FATHER?
So no SON of God then-I am not surprised.Is Jesus both a person in such a “godhead” as well as the person who acts as mediator with that “godhead”? hmmm
Quote (Cult Buster @ April 30 2007,01:32) 942767 Quote One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (This indicates to me that He is superior to all including Jesus.) Says who?
Have a Look 94!
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.94. It seems that Jesus, The Mighty God, is referred to above as The everlasting Father.
One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”.
There is one Godhead, and one mediator between the Godhead and men. Jesus Christ our mediator, was incarnate as a man yet He was still God.
How do I know? Look!!
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
TITUS 2:13 ..awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Compare
Psa 41:13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
With
MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.Compare
1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:
With
MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .Compare
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
With (John the Baptist referring to Jesus)
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Compare1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
With
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.Compare
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
With
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 18:6 When therefore he said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground.Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Mat 23:24 Isa 42:20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
Hi CB:I Quoted Ephesians 4:6 which states that God is above all and so I have stated the this indicates to me that he is superior to all including Jesus.
942767
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (This indicates to me that He is superior to all including Jesus.)
And you say:
Says who?Since all scripture is inspired by God, it is God who said that he is above all. Would you like to argue with him? I wouldn't advise this, but if you choose to do this go right ahead.
God Bless
Hi,
CB constantly accuses others of deafness and then teaches from outside of scripture.
Why can he not hear and heed the need to abide in the Word of God?Quote (942767 @ April 30 2007,14:32) Cult wrote:942767
Quote One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (This indicates to me that He is superior to all including Jesus.) Says who?
Have a Look 94!
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.94. It seems that Jesus, The Mighty God, is referred to above as The everlasting Father.
One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”.
There is one Godhead, and one mediator between the Godhead and men. Jesus Christ our mediator, was incarnate as a man yet He was still God.
How do I know? Look!!
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
TITUS 2:13 ..awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Compare
Psa 41:13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
With
MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.Compare
1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:
With
MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .Compare
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
With (John the Baptist referring to Jesus)
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Compare1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
With
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.Compare
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
With
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 18:6 When therefore he said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground.Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Mat 23:24 Isa 42:20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
Hi CB:I Quoted Ephesians 4:6 which states that God is above all and so I have stated the this indicates to me that he is superior to all including Jesus.
942767
Quote One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (This indicates to me that He is superior to all including Jesus.) And you say:
Says who?Since all scripture is inspired by God, it is God who said that he is above all. Would you like to argue with him? I wouldn't advise this, but if you choose to do this go right ahead.
God Bless
94Have you compared Eph 4:6 with…
Eph 1:
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, (at the Fathers side, not above him nor beneath him),
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath *put all things under his feet*, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, *the fulness of him that filleth all in all*.Notce Yeshau has “All power”. And not only is the Father filling “All in All”, in Eph 4:6, but Yeshau also is.
Jesus said…
Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, *All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth*.Have you ever really pondered what that means?
“ALL Power”, “ALL Authority”.
If the Father gave him “All” power and authority.
Then how much does the Father have?
Of course the answer is the Father still has “ALL” power and authority because they are One God.
Jesus said…
Jn 16:15
All things that *the Father hath are mine*: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.Huh? Imagine that.
Jesus says *the Father is taking from him and showing it unto us*.
Is there any Prophet of old or any Angel or being that has ever even come close to making a claim like that.
Could a mere man born after the flesh claim such?
Jn 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and *hath given all things into his hand*.Its sad that men try to make Jesus after our own image, rather than seeing Jesus for who he is.
Truly this Jesus is one God with the Father and the Holy Spirit!
HiW,
Yes Christ has been given all power and authority.
And he will give the kingdom back to God.1Cor 15
'22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”
But how does that show he is the God Who gave it to him again?
We should not make God in the image of man, even the image of Jesus, the monogenes son.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2007,16:48) HiW,
Yes Christ has been given all power and authority.
And he will give the kingdom back to God.1Cor 15
'22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”
But how does that show he is the God Who gave it to him again?
We should not make God in the image of man, even the image of Jesus, the monogenes son.
NHYou say…
Quote We should not make God in the image of man, even the image of Jesus, the monogenes son.
Sorry NH. Read your Bible, Hebrews 1:3 states that Jesus is the “*exact representation of God's substance*“1 Jn 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath God also.Phil 2:6
who, although He existed in the *form of God*, did not regard equality with God* a thing to be grasped,
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