The Servant of God

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,10:50)

AP Of course he was a servant. Phil. 2 He was the Word/God who took on the form of a servant and was found in fashion as a man and humbled himself to the Father even unto the death of the cross. He was the One to come, spoken of in Zech 14… The Name LORD, YHWH is the name for God. But a close examination of the use of this name in OT scriptures shows that the name is applied to both the Father and the Son Just one example… Zech 14: 1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: *and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee*. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the LORD shall be *king over all the earth*: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. If you notice the first and second verse seems to be the Father speaking, then in vrs 3 he says “Then the Lord, (YHWH)” as if he is speaking of another and a closer look shows he is speaking of Yeshua. “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives”, without question this is Yeshua. Now if the writer was just meaning Jesus is his agent, he wouldnt have used “His feet”, then in verse 5 he says, “and *the LORD(YHWH) my God* shall come, and all the saints with thee”. See Mk 8:38 and Matt 25:31 and Rev 1:7 and Jud 1:14. The scriptures show Jesus coming with the Holy Angels and his saints. Then in verse 9 he says… And the LORD,(YHWH) shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his *name one* Notice there is *One Lord* his name is one. Who is this that has a name above all names and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and will rule in his Kingdom? His name is Yeshua which means “YHWH” is salvation! Jesus said *My Kingdom* is not of this world! Now couple this with 1 Tim 3:16 and Jn 1:1 and Jn 1:14 and Jn 20:28 and Acts 20:28 and Phil 2 and Hebrews 1:8 and 1 Pet 1:1 and you have a full understanding of “ALL” scriptures concerning him, who is “the Lord from heaven”. 1 Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the *Lord from heaven*. His Glory as God he will not share with another.

Hi WJ:

14:3
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

My understanding of this verse is that it is referring to God when he did battle against Pharaoh and his armies.

14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.  
14:5
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

If verse 4 refers to the feet of Jesus touching the Mount of Olives, how is it that the last part of verse 5 states, “and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee”?

God Bless

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,10:59)

Hi W, You say “His Glory as God he will not share with another.” Is this the glory as the monogenes Son John spoke of? John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” He wanted the disciples to see that glory. John 2:11 “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” John 17:24 “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” and he even  SHARED IT with them John 17:22 “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:” So do you think he had two glories, one as God and one as Son of God. It is so confusing

NH

Notice it is the Glory as of the “Only begotten (Monogenes)of the Father, One Glory and One God.

1 Cor 15:
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from another star in glory.

As you can see NH, each celestial and terrestrial body has its own glory.

God has his own Glory as God.

This Glory he does not share with another.

Unless you believe God lied.

Jesus shared his the Fathers Glory as deity. (celestial) Jn 1:1, 1:14.

But Jesus had also taken on the nature of man. (terrestrial)

That is because he is the Word/God the Lord from heaven.

So yes the Glory he shared as God, (Jn 1:14) is not the same Glory he shares with us as man. (Jn 17:22)

Monogenes Son of God and Son of Man.

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
You say
“Jesus shared his the Fathers Glory as deity. (celestial) Jn 1:1, 1:14.”
But those verses do not make such statements.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ April 20 2007,12:00)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,10:50) AP Of course he was a servant. Phil. 2 He was the Word/God who took on the form of a servant and was found in fashion as a man and humbled himself to the Father even unto the death of the cross. He was the One to come, spoken of in Zech 14… The Name LORD, YHWH is the name for God. But a close examination of the use of this name in OT scriptures shows that the name is applied to both the Father and the Son Just one example… Zech 14: 1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: *and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee*. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the LORD shall be *king over all the earth*: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. If you notice the first and second verse seems to be the Father speaking, then in vrs 3 he says “Then the Lord, (YHWH)” as if he is speaking of another and a closer look shows he is speaking of Yeshua. “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives”, without question this is Yeshua. Now if the writer was just meaning Jesus is his agent, he wouldnt have used “His feet”, then in verse 5 he says, “and *the LORD(YHWH) my God* shall come, and all the saints with thee”. See Mk 8:38 and Matt 25:31 and Rev 1:7 and Jud 1:14. The scriptures show Jesus coming with the Holy Angels and his saints. Then in verse 9 he says… And the LORD,(YHWH) shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his *name one* Notice there is *One Lord* his name is one. Who is this that has a name above all names and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and will rule in his Kingdom? His name is Yeshua which means “YHWH” is salvation! Jesus said *My Kingdom* is not of this world! Now couple this with 1 Tim 3:16 and Jn 1:1 and Jn 1:14 and Jn 20:28 and Acts 20:28 and Phil 2 and Hebrews 1:8 and 1 Pet 1:1 and you have a full understanding of “ALL” scriptures concerning him, who is “the Lord from heaven”. 1 Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the *Lord from heaven*. His Glory as God he will not share with another. Hi WJ: 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. My understanding of this verse is that it is referring to God when he did battle against Pharaoh and his armies. 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.   14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. If verse 4 refers to the feet of Jesus touching the Mount of Olives, how is it that the last part of verse 5 states, “and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee”? God Bless

94

You got it. Jesus is God. YHWH in the flesh.

Will the Father who is Spirit put *his feet* on the mount?.

Surely he will be with the Son.

But it is Yeshua the Prophesy is speaking of.

The Prophet Zech is saying “*and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee*”.

Notice Zech says the Lord My God(Yeshua) shall come, and all the saints with thee. (the Father)

Who is his Lord and God that is comming…

Compare with…
Mk 8:38 and Matt 25:31 and Rev 1:7 and Jud 1:14. The scriptures show Jesus coming with the Holy Angels and his saints.

So the Lord YHWY is the one putting his feet on Mt Olives and…

And the LORD,YHWY shall be *king over all the earth*: in that day shall **there be one LORD**, and his name one.

Can you see it? Yeshua which means “YHWH is Salvation”, YHWY, God in the flesh.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,12:33)

Hi W, You say “Jesus shared his the Fathers Glory as deity. (celestial) Jn 1:1, 1:14.” But those verses do not make such statements.

NH

Yes, its kimda like you saying Jesus was born again.

There is no verse for that either.

[NickHassan]

HiW,
So coming back to the thread Jesus is not a servant of God at all?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,12:45)

HiW, So coming back to the thread Jesus is not a servant of God at all?

NH

LOL. And you have never sinned!

Phil 2 NH. You have read it many times. All you need to do is believe it.

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
You quote
“1 Cor 15:
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from another star in glory.

So let's take this verse applying to the glory of Father and the Son a little further.

The Sun is not the moon.
The Sun is greater than the moon
The Light from the moon began with the Sun.
The moon is dependant on the Sun for it's glory.

Sound good?

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,10:50)

AP Of course he was a servant. Phil. 2 He was the Word/God who took on the form of a servant and was found in fashion as a man and humbled himself to the Father even unto the death of the cross. He was the One to come, spoken of in Zech 14… The Name LORD, YHWH is the name for God. But a close examination of the use of this name in OT scriptures shows that the name is applied to both the Father and the Son Just one example… Zech 14: 1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: *and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee*. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the LORD shall be *king over all the earth*: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. If you notice the first and second verse seems to be the Father speaking, then in vrs 3 he says “Then the Lord, (YHWH)” as if he is speaking of another and a closer look shows he is speaking of Yeshua. “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives”, without question this is Yeshua. Now if the writer was just meaning Jesus is his agent, he wouldnt have used “His feet”, then in verse 5 he says, “and *the LORD(YHWH) my God* shall come, and all the saints with thee”. See Mk 8:38 and Matt 25:31 and Rev 1:7 and Jud 1:14. The scriptures show Jesus coming with the Holy Angels and his saints. Then in verse 9 he says… And the LORD,(YHWH) shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his *name one* Notice there is *One Lord* his name is one. Who is this that has a name above all names and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and will rule in his Kingdom? His name is Yeshua which means “YHWH” is salvation! Jesus said *My Kingdom* is not of this world! Now couple this with 1 Tim 3:16 and Jn 1:1 and Jn 1:14 and Jn 20:28 and Acts 20:28 and Phil 2 and Hebrews 1:8 and 1 Pet 1:1 and you have a full understanding of “ALL” scriptures concerning him, who is “the Lord from heaven”. 1 Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the *Lord from heaven*. His Glory as God he will not share with another.

Yes Jesus and the Father are one.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, *glorify thou me with thine OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Joh 17:6 I have manifested THY NAME unto the men which thou GAVEST ME out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I CAME OUT FROM THEE, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

**Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, *keep through THINE OWN NAME those whom thou hast given me, that they MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE.**

Joh 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

It is no surprise that where Jesus is so is the Father. Jesus has the Spirit without measure. God is the Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT.

Jesus prayed that we would be one in the Father and Son.
“THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US”

Do your children have your name. When married your daughter's name changes we are the bride of Christ. Jesus is the Son of God. Does not the bride take the Bridegroom's name?
The Son has His Father's Name we the Son's bride will also have the Father's name.

This is the new creation

God all in all (1Cor. 15:28).

BTW where is the third person?

Hey! May be we are the third person.

IHN&L,

kenrch

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,12:54)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,12:45) HiW, So coming back to the thread Jesus is not a servant of God at all? NH LOL. And you have never sinned! Phil 2 NH. You have read it many times. All you need to do is believe it.

Hi W,
So in what way can God be a servant of God.

[Tim2]

Ken,

You say, “God is the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.” Wow. This makes me very happy. You agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. Hallelujah!

So, what's keeping you from joining the church?

Tim

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,13:32)

Hi W, You quote “1 Cor 15: 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from another star in glory. So let's take this verse applying to the glory of Father and the Son a little further. The Sun is not the moon. The Sun is greater than the moon The Light from the moon began with the Sun. The moon is dependant on the Sun for it's glory. Sound good?

NH

Very enlightening.

Yes Jesus and the Father are not the same “person”.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,16:28)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,13:32) Hi W, You quote “1 Cor 15: 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from another star in glory. So let's take this verse applying to the glory of Father and the Son a little further. The Sun is not the moon. The Sun is greater than the moon The Light from the moon began with the Sun. The moon is dependant on the Sun for it's glory. Sound good? NH Very enlightening. Yes Jesus and the Father are not the same “person”.

Hi w,
Is God more than ONE person?
Where is this news written?

[kenrch]

Quote (Tim2 @ April 20 2007,15:46)

Ken, You say, “God is the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.”  Wow.  This makes me very happy.  You agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God.  Hallelujah!   So, what's keeping you from joining the church? Tim

Tim2,

The Father is Spirit that is surely Holy. Jesus was filled without measure of that Spirit. How many is that?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,16:30)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,16:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,13:32) Hi W, You quote “1 Cor 15: 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from another star in glory. So let's take this verse applying to the glory of Father and the Son a little further. The Sun is not the moon. The Sun is greater than the moon The Light from the moon began with the Sun. The moon is dependant on the Sun for it's glory. Sound good? NH Very enlightening. Yes Jesus and the Father are not the same “person”. Hi w, Is God more than ONE person? Where is this news written?

NH

PSSST.

Dont tell anyone, its a scripture in the Bible inspired by God and written by Jesus most beloved desciple.

Many dont believe his testimony and many will die in their sins.

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Did John really say God is three persons?
You have the stage so do not be shy and tell us all.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Ps 49
” 4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.

5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
The servant of God, Jesus Christ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,16:40)

Hi W, Did John really say God is three persons? You have the stage so do not be shy and tell us all.

NH

PSSST

God is Spirit. So the Spirit is already present.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,16:44)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,16:40) Hi W, Did John really say God is three persons? You have the stage so do not be shy and tell us all. NH PSSST God is Spirit. So the Spirit is already present.

Hi W,
We wait.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,16:49)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,16:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,16:40) Hi W, Did John really say God is three persons? You have the stage so do not be shy and tell us all. NH PSSST God is Spirit. So the Spirit is already present. Hi W, We wait.

NH

Tell you what, yuou tell me how Jesus was born again and I will tell you how he wasnt.

Deal?

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