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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,14:09) Hi WU
You say
“They also will be resurrected; multitudes of them,but not only of this generation,but a generation of 2000yrs.[
]The 10 horned beast(NW system)[
] and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire,but not satan;he will be put in prison for a 1000yrs.(babylon is no more).Then Christ will set up his kingdom in Israel,and the preaching[
] will be for a 1000yrs. after the 1000yrs are finished,satan will be let loose for a little season to sift out the good from the bad,sheeps on the right; goats on the left.Because the goats will follow satan to surround the kingdom,to take a spoil (gog and magog). God is simply bringing them together in one place to be destroyed satan also.(death itself is now conquered).Then the 2nd resurrection
of all people,past present and future.Judged by their conduct in their lifetime.(by the books).”I do not see 2000 years anywhere.
Systems are not thrown in the fire are they?
Where does it say PREACHING will go on in that 1000yr time?
Hi Nick.Christianity is for 2000yrs now,and the true christians will be resurrected first(the first fruits).These are they that followed the lamb wheresoever he goes.The true seekers with all the knowledge; full knowledge is only come in the last generation.
For they have experienced evil to the max.(in bloom).Then the christians that has to go through the tribulations; mutitudes and multitudes will be given white robes.(them that died for christ).
There were many christians that died for Christ in the past generations also,not only the last generation.The population inside the kingdom,will only consist of israelites that have been brought back according to Gods choice. They are the remnants that will be brought back from the dead.(not resrrected,but revived).in the flesh.(Ez.37).
These will be taught of Christ for a 1000yrs.
isiah 11:9. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain(kingdom): for the earth shall be full of knowledge of the lord,as the waters cover the sea.Verse10. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse,which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the gentiles seek:and his rest shall be glorious.
summery:
In the kingdom the jews will be tauht by the resurected ones; and they in turn will teach the gentiles living outside the kingdom. They also consist of christians that are shut out,they can not come in the kingdom.
So the gospel will come back to the jews;and the jews will teach the gentiles that have survived the shaking of the earth at the coming.The teaching will be for a 1000yrs,without satan,but his angels are still around the outside,to resist the teachings.
Systems are not cast in the fire:
It simply means done away with,never to come back.wakeup.
Hi WU
You say
These will be taught of Christ for a 1000yrs.
isiah 11:9. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain(kingdom): for the earth shall be full of knowledge of the lord,as the waters cover the sea.Verse10. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse,which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the gentiles seek:and his rest shall be glorious.
But the verse you quote does not quite agree with you.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,19:50) Hi WU
You say
These will be taught of Christ for a 1000yrs.
isiah 11:9. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain(kingdom): for the earth shall be full of knowledge of the lord,as the waters cover the sea.Verse10. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse,which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the gentiles seek:and his rest shall be glorious.
But the verse you quote does not quite agree with you.
Nick.Please explain why it disagree with my statement.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
The scripture that says
“for the earth shall be full of knowledge of the lord,as the waters cover the sea.”Should not be interpreted except as written.
So state that King Jesus or his brothers will THEREFORE be busy preaching or teaching is inappropriate.
Any neophyte led by the Spirit can do that.
He is KING
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,06:06) Hi WU,
The scripture that says
“for the earth shall be full of knowledge of the lord,as the waters cover the sea.”Should not be interpreted except as written.
So state that King Jesus or his brothers will THEREFORE be busy preaching or teaching is inappropriate.
Any neophyte led by the Spirit can do that.
He is KING
Hi NIck.You have not got the picture.
The jews that have been brought back by election,they will be taught of the gospels,then knowledge will be in abondance.
They will go out and teach the gentiles outside the kingdom.All the gentiles are outside the kingdom; also consisting of Christians that did not make it in the first resurrection.
These Christians,will then learn the truth,and they also will teach,outside the kingdom. Both, the jews and gentiles will have children and multiply,and build houses.Then satan will be let loose for a season to sift them out.God will gather the bad using satan, and he will bring them all into one place; this is the battle of gog and magog.And God will destroy them all.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,09:51) Hi WU,
So you say
But does scripture agree?
Hi Nick.It does agree with the scriptures,you just have to see for yourself.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,10:06) Hi WU,
So which ones say this?
Hi Nick.You need to study all the prophesies,old and new to see the big picture.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,10:13) Hi WU,
So none come to mind.
Sounds like weak doctrine then
Hi Nick.Why dont you spend your precious time in studying the prophesies?Dont you want to be able to see the big picture?
To see the big picture means to undertand why God created lucifer,and why he let mankind to go through all the troubles,and why is God letting satan do what he is doing to this world,and why is there so much confusion in the teachings,and why did God let this all happen.All those why's will be answered,if you seek.
Keep on asking good questions.Quote (samual @ Feb. 03 2009,21:09) “The Second Death”: An Analysis From my many debates with members of Christendom’s main-stream denominations, I find that very few understand the import of the Scriptural evidence pertaining to the “second death.” According to what they have been taught, there are only two destinations available for them: heaven or hell. For that reason, then, I invite viewers on this site to actively participate in an analysis of this topic so that we can present a clear understanding to all interested in dispelling falsehood and establishing Truth.
This Scriptural topic under consideration begins as follows:
Revelation 2:11 (Darby Translation)
“He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. He that overcomes shall in no wise be injured of the second death.”Revelation 20:6 (New American Standard Bible)
“Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.”As these verses bring out, the “second death” is tied together with the “first resurrection.” To understand what exactly the “second death’ signifies, we need to examine further Scriptural evidence:
Revelation 21:8 (New American Standard Bible)
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”At first glance, then, the question raises: Would this verse support main-stream Christendom’s teaching that those mentioned here would end up in Hellfire? And how does the following Scripture support or dispel that claim:
Revelation 20:14 (New American Standard Bible)
“Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”With these verses to consider, I invite all interested to participate by presenting their Scripturally supported views. God bless!
THE SECOND DEATH.Must read carefully.
Second death means you die twice.
The true followers will be rerurrected at the coming.
Therefore there is no more death for them,for they will be given a glorified body.The non believers and the the rest of the gentiles will die at the coming,for babylon will be destroyed(rev.16:19.).But still some will survive. For the NON survivers, this will be the FIRST DEATH.
Christ will set up his kingdom in israel,and the population will consist ONLY OF THE JEWS that have been chosen by God out of all generations;they are the remnants that have been brought back by election.
Ez.36:11.24—38. 37:1—14. Acts11:5.7.25.28.–31.There is a remnant of jews of all generations elected by God to be brought back to their own land.
They will be taught by the saints(resurrected) for a 1000yrs and they also will teach the gentiles living outside the kingdom.They will also teach christians that are shut out the kingdom.(survivers).that didnt make it in their christian lives,they are they, that have failed.
The jews will live in peace in the kingdom, with no tears,no pain no wars,they shall build houses,and multiply,and become a great nation.
The animals will not do any harm,the lion will eat straw.
isiah11:6–12. 65:19–25. Zech.2:4—13.After the 1000yrs are expired,satan will be let loose,and he will come with a great armie to surround the camp of the saints(the kingdom)(rev20:8.9.).They all will be destroyed by fire from God.(not by Jesus).
Now comes the SECOND RESURRECTION; This resurrection will consist of all people, of all generations and all religions. They will be judged by THE BOOKS(rev.20:12.–15.).The sheep will be put on the right and the goats on the left,and the goats will be cast in the fire.THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
They have died twice: First death is of old age,or sickness,or wars,accidents etc.
Second death is after the second resurrection.
Resurrected; judged; and put to death again.wakeup.
It is time to read the prophesies again,and put it straight this time for your own sake.
Time is very,very,short.
Let the Lord find you seeking with all your heart.
Dont get too occupied with your daily lives,put the Lord first,and the rest will follow,for God knows what you need.wakeup.
Hi,
The second death is after the general resurrection and the judgement
The whole of the bible is given to us to escape this fateQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2014,08:18) Hi, The second death is after the general resurrection and the judgement
The whole of the bible is given to us to escape this fat
of fire.
Nick.Quote
The second death is after the general resurrection and the judgement
The whole of the bible is given to us to escape this fat
of fire.We need scriptures.
For that is not what rev.20 says.Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
***and the books were opened***:
***and another book was opened***,
***which is the book of life***:
***and the dead were judged out of those things which were
written in the books, according to their works***.BOOK OF MEN'S WORKS.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
***and they were judged every man according to their
works***.Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire,
***this is the second death***.wakeup.
Hi WU,
Yes you laid out what I saidThough you missed one verse
Rev 20.15
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. =[the second death]Nick.
Sorry, I must have misunderstood your
statement.But still;the second resurrection consists of christians and heathens. They never lived by the bible.
So you were not 100%.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
There is the first resurrection, that we are urged to be part of. unto meeting the Lord in the air.
No judgement for them as they have already passed over from death to life[jn5]All remaining souls are in the second resurrection unto judgement
Only mercy can save these-mercy according to their mercyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2014,07:44) Hi WU,
There is the first resurrection, that we are urged to be part of. unto meeting the Lord in the air.
No judgement for them as they have already passed over from death to life[jn5]All remaining souls are in the second resurrection unto judgement
Only mercy can save these-mercy according to their mercy
Nick.The so called christians whom have received the mark of the beast will be amongst the second judgement.
And also luke warm christians of the past.
They will be judged according to the books.wakeup.
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