The second coming is the 1st resurrection

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,23:25)

Hi Wakeup, So “TAKEN AWAY” really means 'kept from'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Maybe I should explain it in swahili.
Or Arabic.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,00:10)

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,23:25) Hi Wakeup, So “TAKEN AWAY” really means 'kept from'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Maybe I should explain it in swahili. Or Arabic. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Let's test your theory OK?

“In his(Jesus') humiliation his(Jesus') judgment was taken away(kept from ^{Wakeup's correction}):
 and who shall declare his generation?” (Acts 8:33)

NO, doesn't work there, lets try another:

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the   bodies should not remain upon the cross on
 the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be
 broken, and that they might be taken away(kept from ^{Wakeup's correction}).” (John 19:31)

No, it doesn't work there either.

“Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away(kept from ^{Wakeup's correction}).”  (2 Cor 3:16)

Well this one kinda works, what do you think?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,00:30)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,00:10) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,23:25) Hi Wakeup, So “TAKEN AWAY” really means 'kept from'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Maybe I should explain it in swahili. Or Arabic. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Let's test your theory OK? “In his(Jesus') humiliation his(Jesus') judgment was taken away(kept from Wakeup's correction):  and who shall declare his generation?” (Acts 8:33) NO, doesn't work there, lets try another: “The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the   bodies should not remain upon the cross on  the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be  broken, and that they might be taken away(kept from Wakeup's correction).” (John 19:31) No, it doesn't work there either. “Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away(kept from Wakeup's correction).”  (2 Cor 3:16) Well this one kinda works, what do you think? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

They are two different structures of sentencing;but meaning the same thing.
Like:
1.The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you.
2. You will be denied the kingdom.
3.You will miss out the reward of the kingdom.
4.The kingdom will be kept from you.
5.The kingdom wont be yours.

Havent you got anything better to discuss?
Like something of knowledge.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

OK, do you have any more questions?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:03)

Hi Wakeup, OK, do you have any more questions? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes: When will you learn some knowledge?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

“And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be
 in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth
 out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.” (Mark 4:30-32)

           “”WHAT?”” – The “Kingdom of God” groweth up in the Earth?
           This can't be right, can it? Because YOU say the kingdom
           of God doesn't arrive until *AFTER* the resurrection.

How about you explain your take on Mark 4:30-32 for me – expand my horizon.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:13)

Yes: When will you learn some knowledge? wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

When YOU actually answer the questions I ask you to answer instead of
you answering a different question that I already know your answer to.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:14)

Hi Wakeup, “And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?  It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be  in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth  out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.” (Mark 4:30-32)            “”WHAT?”” – The “Kingdom of God” groweth up in the Earth?            This can't be right, can it? Because YOU say the kingdom            of God doesn't arrive until *AFTER* the resurrection. How about you explain your take on Mark 4:30-32 for me – expand my horizon. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Your doctrine contradicts mark 4:30-32.
You insinuated that the seed, needs no time to grow,because Jesus second coming was soon after after his departure to heaven.
And that coming was at pantecost.

The fact is that God has given us 2000yrs for the seed to grow into a great tree;but unfortunately it has fallen on fallow ground; for the land is desolate. The trees growth
is stunted.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:29)

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:14) Hi Wakeup, “And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?  It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be  in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth  out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.” (Mark 4:30-32)            “”WHAT?”” – The “Kingdom of God” groweth up in the Earth?            This can't be right, can it? Because YOU say the kingdom            of God doesn't arrive until *AFTER* the resurrection. How about you explain your take on Mark 4:30-32 for me – expand my horizon. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. Your doctrine contradicts mark 4:30-32. You insinuated that the seed, needs no time to grow,because Jesus second coming was soon after after his departure to heaven. And that coming was at pantecost. The fact is that God has given us 2000yrs for the seed to grow into a great tree;but unfortunately it has fallen on fallow ground; for the land is desolate. The trees growth is stunted. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You are attempting to argue over a misconception, something I never said.
The seed was planted on Pentecost – we see eye to eye on that.
Now will you please answer my question for me?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:52)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:14) Hi Wakeup, “And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?  It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be  in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth  out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.” (Mark 4:30-32)            “”WHAT?”” – The “Kingdom of God” groweth up in the Earth?            This can't be right, can it? Because YOU say the kingdom            of God doesn't arrive until *AFTER* the resurrection. How about you explain your take on Mark 4:30-32 for me – expand my horizon. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. Your doctrine contradicts mark 4:30-32. You insinuated that the seed, needs no time to grow,because Jesus second coming was soon after after his departure to heaven. And that coming was at pantecost. The fact is that God has given us 2000yrs for the seed to grow into a great tree;but unfortunately it has fallen on fallow ground; for the land is desolate. The trees growth is stunted. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, You are attempting to argue over a misconception, something I never said. The seed was planted on Pentecost – we see eye to eye on that. Now will you please answer my question for me? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Wrong; The seed was planted by Jesus, teaching the apostles.
And their eyes were opened at pantecost.

wakeup.

[Devolution]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,17:06)

Quote (Devolution @ June 28 2013,16:52) 1 Corinth 15:50 Now this i say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Since we are still flesh and blood we can not be in the kingdom, which means we can not yet be born again either. “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.  Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)

Hi EdJ,

Thank you for quoting Romans for it backs up what we are saying.

Let us all see what is actually being said:

Romans 8:1
   There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

EdJ, this is simply saying they don't live their lives pleasing the flesh in ignorance but live their lives according to the Spirit of the gospel.

EdJ, what was said of Zecharias & Elisabeth?

Luke 1:6
   And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Their walking in the commandments & ordinances does not make them “the” commandments & ordinances itself, but means that they followed Gods ways instead of their own…

Didn't you say you were an author?
Don't you guys get taught the principles of context?
Or is that optional?
Forgive me, but this is so annoying that we need show a writer context!

John 8:12
   Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

This is using the same principles EdJ, if you understand this, then why do you abandon that trusted method when it comes to Romans?
Doctrinal conflicts perhaps?
Look:

Acts 14:16
  Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Instead of living life your own way…condemning yourself by pleasing the flesh…

Romans 8:1
   There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Live Christs way which frees you from the power of the flesh and concentrate on things spiritual.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

WALK this way

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Starting to see the context now EdJ?
Or do I need to continue explaining the verses below?

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Notice that within this ONE BODY which is FLESH, that two conditions prevail?
So would this body be Spirit?
Or would it be walking in the Spirit?
This is what your doctrine has led you to Ed, the need for milk once again when you should be on solids.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

See Ed?
Mortal bodies with the Spirit of Christ gaffed into them, this does not make them spirit but enables them to be translated into spirit by that very Holy Spirit put into them…so these walk after the gospels & not after their own ways…
A basic Christian tenet…aren't you familiar with it?

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

See EdJ?
Saying exactly what we are saying to you yet you say we are misunderstanding?
I think you are being stubborn EdJ & that you DO understand but it conflicts with your doctrine.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

We are HEIRS of the kingdom EdJ, & we don't “collect” our inheritance until the Rewarder comes, so if you're in the kingdom now…and the Rewarder hasn't rewarded yet…whose kingdom are you really in? Who rewarded you? Because Christ hasn't come with his reward yet, just his promise.

[journey42]

Ed wrote:

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How can the “Kingdom of God” be taken away from somebody that doesn't have it?

Ed,

Matt 21:43   Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matt 21:45   And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

You will notice that in Matthew 21:43, Jesus is speaking to the Jews (scribes and pharisees)

God made a nation out of the Hebrews who became Israel.
No other nation was ever called by God and led by him.  
When freed from Egypt, Israel was promised that they would see the salvation of the Lord.

Where there is SALVATION, the kingdom is there.
So the kingdom was given unto them…Israel.
This is what the verse is speaking of.
 
But Israel later polluted God's sanctuary by letting strangers come in (false beliefs, strange flesh)

Ezekiel 44:7   In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, ..even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
Ezekiel 5:11   Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast …defiled…. my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.
Zephaniah 3:4   Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law.

So, now
Matt 21:43   Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lords doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?

ISRAEL REJECTED THEIR MESSIAH.  SO NOW SALVATION HAS GONE OUT TO THE GENTILES.  THE BUILDERS ARE ISRAEL, FOR THE 12 TRIBES CAME OUT OF THEM.  EVEN CHRIST IS FROM THEIR LINEAGE (TRIBE OF JUDAH)

So this nation, the only nation on this whole earth to be called by God to serve him with his laws, not man's laws, have since strayed, so that we gentiles can come in.
But God has to stand by his word, and the following has to be fulfilled;

Isaiah 45:17   But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

SO, ALTHOUGH THE GENTILES HAVE COME IN,
THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE NATION THAT HAS EVER MADE GOD'S LAWS, THE LAW OF THE LAND.
BUT THE PROMISE STILL HAS TO BE FULFILLED.  
ISRAEL HAS TO BE RESTORED,
SO THAT THE WORLD KNOWS THAT GOD LOVES THEM AND KEEPS HIS PROMISE.  
HE WILL USE THEM TO BE AN EXAMPLE TO THE GENTILES DURING THE MILLENNIUM FOR HIS NAME SAKE.  
THIS IS WHEN THE ISRAELITES WHO DID SERVE GOD ACCORDING TO RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN THE FLESH.  NOT ALL OF THEM, ONLY THE PRESERVED.
THESE WILL REPRESENT ISRAEL AND NOW COME THROUGH THE DOOR OF CHRIST.
THESE WILL MAKE UP THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.
THOSE ISRAELITES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ACCEPTED, WILL BE THRUST OUT OF THE KINGDOM.  IF THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING IN ISRAEL, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THIS KINGDOM AREA IS NOW HOLY.

THIS IS WHERE YOUR SCRIPTURE FITS IN ED
Isaiah 66:8   Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

CHRIST WILL DO THIS ON HIS RETURN.  AS SOON AS THE SAINTS WILL BE RESURRECTED, AND JUDGEMENT GIVEN ON BABYLON THE GREAT,.. THE KINGDOM WILL BE SET UP AND CHRIST WILL DO THIS WONDERFUL THING IN ISRAEL

Isaiah 49:6   And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,06:47)

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:52) Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:14) Hi Wakeup, “And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?  It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be  in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth  out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.” (Mark 4:30-32)            “”WHAT?”” – The “Kingdom of God” groweth up in the Earth?            This can't be right, can it? Because YOU say the kingdom            of God doesn't arrive until *AFTER* the resurrection. How about you explain your take on Mark 4:30-32 for me – expand my horizon. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. Your doctrine contradicts mark 4:30-32. You insinuated that the seed, needs no time to grow,because Jesus second coming was soon after after his departure to heaven. And that coming was at pantecost. The fact is that God has given us 2000yrs for the seed to grow into a great tree;but unfortunately it has fallen on fallow ground; for the land is desolate. The trees growth is stunted. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, You are attempting to argue over a misconception, something I never said. The seed was planted on Pentecost – we see eye to eye on that. Now will you please answer my question for me? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. Wrong; The seed was planted by Jesus, teaching the apostles. And their eyes were opened at pantecost. wakeup.

A little nitpicking, but we basically agree here.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ June 29 2013,17:40)

Hi EdJ, Thank you for quoting Romans for it backs up what we are saying. Let us all see what is actually being said: Romans 8:1    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. EdJ, this is simply saying they don't live their lives pleasing the flesh in ignorance but live their lives according to the Spirit of the gospel.

Hi Devolution,

So we agree then, Good!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Hi Ed

Matt 21:43   Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matt 21:45   And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

1. Do you agree that Christ was speaking to Israel here?
2. Do you agree that those scribes and pharisees will not be sharing a part in the kingdom during the millennium?  That they lost their inheritance, and it will be taken away from them? (their inheritance, …the kingdom)
3. Do you agree that Israel has not represented God well as a nation, so that same nation will be restored, but God will hand pick which Israelites will be brought into the kingdom area to be taught (the preserved, the reserved, and the elect)
4.  Do you agree that this nation that will be BORN IN ONE DAY is going to be the new Israel to come, reformed.
5.  Do you agree that this will happen after Zion gives birth to her children? (the resurrection of the saints) and the womb will not be shut because she is going to bring forth more children.

Please reply.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ June 30 2013,17:03)

Hi Ed Matt 21:43   Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matt 21:45   And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 1. Do you agree that Christ was speaking to Israel here? 2. Do you agree that those scribes and pharisees will not be sharing a part in the kingdom during the millennium?  That they lost their inheritance, and it will be taken away from them? (their inheritance, …the kingdom) 3. Do you agree that Israel has not represented God well as a nation, so that same nation will be restored, but God will hand pick which Israelites will be brought into the kingdom area to be taught (the preserved, the reserved, and the elect) 4.  Do you agree that this nation that will be BORN IN ONE DAY is going to be the new Israel to come, reformed. 5.  Do you agree that this will happen after Zion gives birth to her children? (the resurrection of the saints) and the womb will not be shut because she is going to bring forth more children. Please reply.

Hi Journey42,

1) Yep
2) Jesus returned (in spirit form) on “Pentecost”;
    a thousand years means a completed cycle
    perfection of ones being is accomplished.
3) A lot of interpolation on your part here.
4) In 1948 Israel was born in one day.
5) Zion also gives birth in one day.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,18:04)

Quote (journey42 @ June 30 2013,17:03) Hi Ed Matt 21:43   Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matt 21:45   And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 1. Do you agree that Christ was speaking to Israel here? 2. Do you agree that those scribes and pharisees will not be sharing a part in the kingdom during the millennium?  That they lost their inheritance, and it will be taken away from them? (their inheritance, …the kingdom) 3. Do you agree that Israel has not represented God well as a nation, so that same nation will be restored, but God will hand pick which Israelites will be brought into the kingdom area to be taught (the preserved, the reserved, and the elect) 4.  Do you agree that this nation that will be BORN IN ONE DAY is going to be the new Israel to come, reformed. 5.  Do you agree that this will happen after Zion gives birth to her children? (the resurrection of the saints) and the womb will not be shut because she is going to bring forth more children. Please reply. Hi Journey42, 1) Yep 2) Jesus returned (in spirit form) on “Pentecost”;     a thousand years means a completed cycle     perfection of ones being is accomplished. 3) A lot of interpolation on your part here. 4) In 1948 Israel was born in one day. 5) Zion also gives birth in one day. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Not correct:

In 1948 israel was not born in one day.
It took many years for that nation to grow.
It also took many years for them to come in to settle.

wakeup.

[journey42]

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2. Do you agree that those scribes and pharisees will not be sharing a part in the kingdom during the millennium?  That they lost their inheritance, and it will be taken away from them? (their inheritance, …the kingdom)

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2) Jesus returned (in spirit form) on “Pentecost”;     a thousand years means a completed cycle     perfection of ones being is accomplished.

Ed,
Thank you for answering.
Saying a 1000 years means a completed cycle is not scriptural.  Man is defining this time frame with their own meanings but it is so simple and basic.
God tells us the 1000 years will start at the 2nd coming.
After the false prophet & beast thrown into the lake of fire, and Satan locked up (so that he should deceive the nations no more, ..until the 1000 years are expired)
and all the saints resurrected,
is when the thousand years will START.
It's in your bible too, not just mine.

Rev 20:4   And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

…unless you are going to tell me that BEHEADED means something else? I know this has not happened yet.
I also know that the false prophet nor the beast who are …alive… at the 2nd coming were not present at pentecost, nor thrown into the lake of fire, because Babylon the great is still here today running.  So future.
When Christ returns his saints that died for refusing the mark of the beast and that were BEHEADED for the witness of Christ, will be resurrected and they will live again and reign with Christ for A THOUSAND YEARS.
So simple, and straight forward Ed,
No fancy definitions,
just plain fact straight from the scriptures.
Christ will rule here on earth when he returns with his saints,
and will have a kingdom area, and Israel will be there in the flesh (the camp of the saints)
and it will go on for 1000 years, where they will be having children, and multiplying, and a child shall live for a hundred years, and they will be protected.

Isaiah 11:6   The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 65:25   The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

This is not fantasy or symbolism, this is a glimpse of what is really going to happen during the millenium to come.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ July 01 2013,12:34)

Ed, …unless you are going to tell me that BEHEADED means something else? I know this has not happened yet.

Hi Journey42,

Beheading is what islamists CURRENTLY do to those
professing Christ is Lord and for speaking “The Word” of God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,13:11)

Quote (journey42 @ July 01 2013,12:34) Ed, …unless you are going to tell me that BEHEADED means something else? I know this has not happened yet. Hi Journey42, Beheading is what islamists CURRENTLY do to those professing Christ is Lord and for speaking “The Word” of God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDj.

Any beheading done;you interpret as the revelation
prophesie. That is not correct.

The beheading in rev.20.are they that have refused the mark of the beast, and for the witness of JESUS.
Those that have been beheaded by muslems was not for the witness of JESUS, but for political reasons.

Christians that have not *WORSHIPPED THE BEAST*,
*WE HAVE NO CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING ISLAM*.

The false prophet is not here yet,and he, and his beast are not cast in the fire yet. The second coming has not happen yet,AND THE BEHEADINGS WILL BE UNDER THE FALSE PROPHETS COMMAND.NOT SOME MUSLEM LEADERS.

wakeup.

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