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Saved by baptism, and born again in a wink of an eye doctrine, is putting many souls asleep, and in danger of missing the plane.
1, Jesus is coming with his reward, how can millions have their reward before the coming? Where is logic?
Read carefully.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE.
(DONT YOU WORRY LORD, WE HAVE GOTTEN OUR REWARD, WE ARE SAVED AND BORN AGAIN).2. All walking with their heads up high asking others; are you born again? ooh, You must be born again you know.
3. If one is truly born again; can he be unborn again? No, not possible. Once born again forever will stay born again.
4.Then why is there a falling away coming? (unborn again)?
5.Why many will be deceived? And unborn again??
6. If there are millions and millions saved and born again? Why need to go through the tribulation? where is logic? saved means truly saved. Why some saved and born again, will have their heads on the chopping block??
God does not change His mind; and say sorry, my mistake; you are not saved by the way, you have fallen away; I did not expect that would happen.
7.They don’t even know what it means to be born again. Just believe what their told, because it sounds so nice. They know the meaning of the word born again yes. But to truly be born again, they have no idea. It just sounds nice, and feels nice, and like their ears to be tickled all the time.
8.No runner can get his reward before he crosses the finish line. This is common sense. But with the born again is different.
You get the reward first, and then you start running. This is the reason why so many are coming to get their rewards. Very nice
Very easy, and simple, and lots of fun too.
Are they so drunken with wine, that they can not think straight? Can not tell the difference between day or night?9. Yes, the wine makes them feel good at all times, when they get sober, they will regret what they have done. Drinking the
wrong drink.Should have stayed with eating the flesh of Christ, and drinking His blood. But no; the wine taste sweet; the blood taste; is hard to get accustomed to.
10. Many claim to be saved and born again. However the scriptures states otherwise. It states; a FEW are chosen.
Why the contradiction?
11. God said; He will send a great delusion: is it only possible that they are the deluded?
Not a nice topic to read I know. You can just ignore it, or just drink some more of that sweet wine, and all will be fine.
Those words are just lies, nasty, and does not make any sense; let us all stone him.
If common sense does not prevail? what can? sad indeed.
Shalom.
wakeup.
Hi,
Those who are blessed from above are given an earnest of the Spirit.
That investment made by God in us must be added to or it is taken from us and the reward given to others.
Invest wisely and add grace to grace in prayer.
Those who are engaged to the Prince do not always make it to the wedding.
Hi WU,
To feed on the word without being joined with the Lord is vanity.
There is no salvation in that any more than there is in the catholic mass attendance
wup
if the true understanding of being born again is to be applied truthfully ,no problem it is so and we are saved as born again ;if it was not so Christ would have lied ;
so it is the true understanding of the meaning of being born again that we have to look into ,
for born again means you have changed your way of live to the way of Christ without reserve ,nothing is left for your personal views or doings all is done for the Lord and his God ,
if not you are living in your own dilution,God does not has to give you a delusion ,for not doing God’s will their is only a delusion left
Hi Terra.
You have to add your own opinion to explain it according to your understanding.
Jesus said: When you are BORN of the spirit you are SPIRIT.
Spirits do not need to go through the tribulation. And do not fall away.
To be changed into spirit is the reward, can not be taken away ever.
wakeup.
wup
Hi Terra.
You have to add your own opinion to explain it according to your understanding.
Jesus said: When you are BORN of the spirit you are SPIRIT.
Spirits do not need to go through the tribulation. And do not fall away.
To be changed into spirit is the reward, can not be taken away ever.
wakeup.
Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
2Pe 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
2Pe 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.I ,thought you knew those scriptures ,i was wrong ,sorry ,but this is on what I based my understanding on ,not my opinions ;but i do understand that a lack of knowledge in scriptures seem to make others look like they would have opinions when in truth they do not .
Hi WU,
“…and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit”
Small adjustments to what is written can lead to major error.
You must be accurate .
Hi,
In Jn 3 Jesus was teaching a flesh man.
He was born of the flesh as all the apostles were and as we all are.
There is no suggestion that after being blessed with the Spirit the apostles were no longer flesh men.
What happened to the apostles was a transformation of the inner man such that God could use flesh men as His instruments
Nothing has changed
hi Nick
yes that is correct but it is not the same with Christ ,for he was spirit and came down from the father to give men their ransom for their sins so that we human can once again be with God our father in unity and totally be reconciled with him ,through Christ sacrifice ;
1Co 2:10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
1Co 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
1Co 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.1Jn 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1Jn 5:2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands.
1Jn 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
1Jn 5:4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
1Jn 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:
1Jn 5:8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.1Jn 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
1Jn 2:25 And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive himJn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”this teaching was the beginning ;
Terra.
It is simple.
WHEN YOU ARE BORN OF THE SPIRIT,WHICH OUR MOTHER ZION IS.
YOU ARE SPIRIT, LIKE THE ANGELS ARE SPIRIT.
When you are born of the flesh, born of your mother, which she is flesh; you are flesh.
Do not compare this saying with worship in spirit and in truth.
If we worship God in spirit and in truth, does not mean we are as the angels physically, which are spirit creatures.
Because we are still flesh, however our worship is in spirit and in truth.
Can you understand?
wakeup.
wup
Terra.
It is simple.
WHEN YOU ARE BORN OF THE SPIRIT,WHICH OUR MOTHER ZION IS.
YOU ARE SPIRIT, LIKE THE ANGELS ARE SPIRIT.
When you are born of the flesh, born of your mother, which she is flesh; you are flesh.
Do not compare this saying with worship in spirit and in truth.
If we worship God in spirit and in truth, does not mean we are as the angels physically, which are spirit creatures.
Because we are still flesh, however our worship is in spirit and in truth.
Can you understand?
wakeup.
i do not believe this to be scriptural,so please add scriptures ,not opinions
1, Jesus is coming with his reward, how can millions have their reward before the coming? Where is logic?
Hi Wakeup,
The reward Jesus gives us at his second coming is baptism with God’s HolySpirit. (see Heb.9:28 & Isaiah 64:4-5)
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Hi Wakeup,
The reward Jesus gives us at his second coming is baptism with God’s HolySpirit. (see Heb.9:28 & Isaiah 64:4-5)
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Heb 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.(144K)
Isa 64:4 Since ancient times no one has heard,
no ear has perceived,
no eye has seen any God besides you,
who acts on behalf of those who wait for him.
Isa 64:5 You come to the help of those who gladly do right,
who remember your ways. (144k) and all those in Christ )but Christ did came back in 70 AD if you want to believe it ;read the scriptures
Hi WU,
WHEN YOU ARE BORN OF THE SPIRIT,WHICH OUR MOTHER ZION IS.
YOU ARE SPIRIT, LIKE THE ANGELS ARE SPIRIT.
The book of Acts if full of examples of flesh men being born again from above and Peter spoke of this too in 1Peter 1.3
None of them turned into angels.
Hi ED,
Jesus does not have many second comings-one for each rebirth.
But you have your own personal interpretations
Jesus said;
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
So what are you all doing?
MARVELLING!I AM BORN AGAIN, I AM BORN AGAIN.
Jesus said don’t marvel. Listen to him. You are claiming you have won the race before it’s finished. There is only one judge, and that is Christ. He will determine if you will be born again (changed to spirit) at the resurrection, not you.
Hi J42,
Indeed you should not be surprised when the man that God had given the fullness of the Spirit spoke in spiritual language to a carnal man.
What he taught Nicodemus applies to all men even though they find his words offensive.
The tiny seed planted in good soil that the waters of grace falls frequently on will produce a crop.
Hi J42,
The promise is for all generations till he returns. Acts 2.39
God will send you Christ -as the Spirit[Acts 3.20]
Heb 6.7
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