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Quote (Gene @ Oct. 31 2009,21:42) MARTY………My point was Kerwin said they (the ten commandments) were not enforced and they were enforced . Law requires enforcement in order for it to be a LAW. This enforcement creates a Fear and respect for it. God's commandments were against our natures and their also. So Created a new Nature by transforming Us through His Spirit into a new creation that Naturally keep his commandments even if they were not written as in the case of the gentiles. But nothing is done away with in the ten commandments , they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in Us. Not by the way (LAW) Works. IMO gene
So in this line of thought, does this mean at the judgment there will be NO ONE PUNISHED?Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,03:14) I read all of this in amazement because you all must be Jews.
Exodus 3:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe it Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
This is pretty clear tat the Sabbath is for the children of Israel. And they still keep it today.
Irene
And you sound like a Jew hater.Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,07:55) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2009,22:31) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,17:14) I read all of this in amazement because you all must be Jews.
Exodus 3:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe it Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
This is pretty clear tat the Sabbath is for the children of Israel. And they still keep it today.
Irene
People also have individual customs. On may make a vow to the Lord while another does not. Each should not judge the other by the way they render their service to the Lord.
Rendering service to the Lord is not exactly what the Sabbath is all about is it? If it would only be that, I would not say anything about it. But like the Pharisees before, some will think if one does not keep the Sabbath that they are sinning. That is the farthest from the truth, now isn't.
If you are a Jew, you are bound by that commandment, but not us who are gentles. And I am not judging, I am debating what you and others are saying, that is not judging. Now if I would say, you are stupid to do so, yes that would be judging.
Irene
I am not bound to anything.Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2009,11:35) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,21:55) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2009,22:31) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,17:14) I read all of this in amazement because you all must be Jews.
Exodus 3:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe it Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
This is pretty clear tat the Sabbath is for the children of Israel. And they still keep it today.
Irene
People also have individual customs. On may make a vow to the Lord while another does not. Each should not judge the other by the way they render their service to the Lord.
Rendering service to the Lord is not exactly what the Sabbath is all about is it? If it would only be that, I would not say anything about it. But like the Pharisees before, some will think if one does not keep the Sabbath that they are sinning. That is the farthest from the truth, now isn't.
If you are a Jew, you are bound by that commandment, but not us who are gentles. And I am not judging, I am debating what you and others are saying, that is not judging. Now if I would say, you are stupid to do so, yes that would be judging.
IreneIrene,
To some the discussion of the Sabbath is about rendering service to God and why they feel they are doing so by honoring it. While others attempt to coerce their neighbor to serve the Lord as they are serving him. I try to differentiate between the two since only the second is considered a sin.
I am glad to hear you are not judging people according to the service they are rendering to the Lord. I also understand you are justified in defending your own right to serve the Lord as you see fit.
Not judging?Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,03:14)
I read all of this in amazement because you all must be Jews.
Exodus 3:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe it Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
This is pretty clear tat the Sabbath is for the children of Israel. And they still keep it today.
Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,22:14) I read all of this in amazement because you all must be Jews.
Exodus 3:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe it Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
This is pretty clear tat the Sabbath is for the children of Israel. And they still keep it today.
Irene
One minute your Spiritual Israel and the next your not, which is it? I thought you were grafted in.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2009,19:33) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,22:14) I read all of this in amazement because you all must be Jews.
Exodus 3:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe it Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
This is pretty clear tat the Sabbath is for the children of Israel. And they still keep it today.
Irene
One minute your Spiritual Israel and the next your not, which is it? I thought you were grafted in.
bodhitharta,You are already getting a picture of how georg seems to feel about Jew's, how you think georg feels about Muslim's, Arabians, Syrians, etc?
Daniel predicted the Sabbath apostasy. (Da 7:25)
The fourth commandment is the only one that involves a time element.
Paul predicted apostasy in the church. (Ac 20:28-31, 2Th 2:1-12)
We must obey God rather than men. Mt 15:3,8,9, Ac 5:29
God says “remember”, men say “forget”. Ex 20:8
The Sabbath vs. Sunday controversy has at its center the issues of worship and obedience.
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” Jn 14:15
Throughout the centuries, God has preserved a remnant that has faithfully kept His Sabbath. Ex 31:16,17, Eze 20:12,20
The church in the wilderness (1260 years of persecution from the Roman Church) Rev 12:6
The Waldensens and similar groups of believers
In the last days, God's remnant church will keep the Sabbath Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12, Rev 22:14
The seventh day is the Sabbath. (Ex 20:10)
The forty year double miracle of manna (Ex 16:4,5,19-30,35)
We must distinguish between the holy and the common. (Eze 22:26,31)
Any other day is not acceptable.
Sunday is the day of the Sun, which was honored by pagan Sun worshippers.
God categorized sun worship at the temple as the greatest of its “abominations”. (Eze 8:6-18)
Note: Tammuz – a Babylonian god of vegetation, pastures, and flocks
The only reference to “Lord's Day” in the New Testament (Rev 1:10) refers to Sabbath, not Sunday (Isa 58:13, Mt 12:8)
The Sabbath was instituted at creation. (Ge 2:1-3, Ex 20:11)
The Sabbath was the first full day for Adam and Eve. (Ge 1:26,31)
The Sabbath was instituted at creation before the first human sin.
The Sabbath is not just for the Jews, but rather for all men. (Mk 2:27)
Marriage was also instituted at creation (Ge 2:21-24) and is also not just for the Jews.
The Sabbath is part of God's moral law (the Ten Commandments), which is immutable.
The law is perfect. (Ps 19:7, Jas 1:25 compare Jas 2:11,12)
The law is eternal. (Ps 111:7,8)
The law is unchangeable. (Dt 4:2, Mt 5:17,18, Lk 16:17)
“My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” (Ps 89:34)
The Sabbath will continue to be kept in heaven. (Isa 66:22,23)
God commands us to “Remember” the Sabbath. (Ex 20:8)
The only commandment with a caution to remember, implies that we would forget it.
God promises that those who keep the Sabbath will be blessed. (Isa 56:2, Isa 58:13,14)
The reason God decided to “rest” on the first Sabbath was not due to fatigue. (Isa 40:28)
God blessed the Sabbath and made it holy. (Ge 2:3, Ex 20:11)
He did not do this for any of the other days.
The Sabbath is an eternal memorial of the Creation and a sign of the Creator. (Ex 31:16,17, Ps 111:2-4)
The Sabbath is a sign that we are His people. (Eze 20:20)
The Sabbath is a sign of our sanctification. (Eze 20:12)
The Sabbath is quantity and quality time we need to develop our relationship with God. (Mk 2:27)
Upon being threatened by the Jewish leaders, the early church quoted in unison from the 4th commandment. (Ac 4:21-24)
The controversy over circumcision is mentioned in the new testament. (Ac 15:1-31)
No controversy, whatsoever, is reported about Sabbath observance in the new testament.
Keeping the correct day is essential, but we must also keep it properly, as God has commanded.
The Sabbath is a day to spend building our relationship with God, individually and corporately.
Church fellowship, family time, nature walks, bible study, ministry. (Lev 23:3, Lk 4:16, Ac 13:14-16)
Note on Lev 23:3: Convocation – “An assembly.” (Webster's Dictionary 1828)
We are to rest on the Sabbath.
This does not mean to sleep and do nothing.
The focus of our time needs to be on building our relationship with God.
“Be still, and know that I am God: …” (Ps 46:10)
We find rest when we come to Jesus. (Mt 11:28-30)
We are not supposed to work on the Sabbath, nor to encourage others to do so. (Ex 20:8-11)
Work takes time away from building our relationship with God.
Doing good deeds is OK, this is not considered work. (Mt 12:9-12, Mk 1:21,30,31, Mk 3:1-5, Lk 13:10-16, Lk 14:1-6)
Work that is absolutely necessary is OK. (Mk 2:23-27, Jn 5:8-11)
As much as possible, we are to prepare ahead of time so that Sabbath work is avoided. (Ex 16:22,23, Lk 23:54, Mk 15:42)
Do not become like the Pharisees. (Jn 9:13-16, Mt 23:23-33)
We are not supposed to buy or sell on the Sabbath, nor encourage others to do so. (Ne 10:29-31, Ne 13:15-22)
The Sabbath should be a day of reverent joy. (Isa 58:13,14)
Was the weekly Sabbath a shadow of things to come? (Col 2:13-17)
No
The days referred to are special annual Sabbath days, not the weekly Sabbath.
They were called Sabbaths because of their restriction to do no work. (Lev 23:28,29,32,35,36,39)
Distinguished from the weekly Sabbaths that were part of the immutable moral law (Lev 23:1-4,37,38)
These aspects of the ceremonial law were to be phased out. (Gal 4:9-11)
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