The remnant of israel to return.

[2besee]

Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen?

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19)

Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen?

2Besee.
Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup.

Sins wen God can contradict himself

And who are you to judge Gods word ?

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ?

Terra.

Just a sample.

I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years.

Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup.

Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years

Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate ,

So Let see it ,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it ,

Terra.

Have you changed your mind now?
You have always believed that the kingdom is now.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,16:20)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it , Terra. Have you changed your mind now? You have always believed that the kingdom is now. wakeup.

wup

you did not show me were I said those things you accuse me of ,so you ARE A LIAR ,right yes

thanks

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it ,

TErra.

You believe what the majority believe,and that the kingdom is here now for 2000yrs.
Unless you are the only one that believe the kingdom is here now for 1000yrs. Both are not correct anyway.

For the kingdom(sabath)(rest), will be *ONE DAY REST*. (1000yrs)
And it is coming;Christ himself will be in charge,HE IS LORD OF THE SABATH.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2013,03:09)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it , TErra. You believe what the majority believe,and that the kingdom is here now for 2000yrs. Unless you are the only one that believe the kingdom is here now for 1000yrs. Both are not correct anyway. For the kingdom(sabath)(rest), will be *ONE DAY REST*. (1000yrs) And it is coming;Christ himself will be in charge,HE IS LORD OF THE SABATH. wakeup.

wup

you do not know what you read ,as far that it goes I believe you do not know either you coming or going ,

it is time for you to sit down and start to think ,were you are going ,

you feel so frustrated that you say things that you have said and tell that it is me that as said it ,wrong very wrong,

you have many topics open with basically the same messages,

we do not look for quantity of topics but FOR QUALITY CONVERSATION OF TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2013,09:03)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2013,03:09) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it , TErra. You believe what the majority believe,and that the kingdom is here now for 2000yrs. Unless you are the only one that believe the kingdom is here now for 1000yrs. Both are not correct anyway. For the kingdom(sabath)(rest), will be *ONE DAY REST*. (1000yrs) And it is coming;Christ himself will be in charge,HE IS LORD OF THE SABATH. wakeup. wup you do not know what you read ,as far that it goes I believe you do not know either you coming or going , it is time for you to sit down and start to think ,were you are going , you feel so frustrated that you say things that you have said and tell that it is me that as said it ,wrong very wrong, you have many topics open with basically the same messages, we do not look for quantity of topics but FOR QUALITY CONVERSATION  OF TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES

Terra.

You said; ''the sabath first and then the coming''.
Is this true or false?

wakeup.

[Devolution]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2013,06:41)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,16:20) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it , Terra. Have you changed your mind now? You have always believed that the kingdom is now. wakeup. wup you did not show me were I said those things you accuse me of ,so you ARE A LIAR ,right yes thanks

Terra,

You DID say that Christ has already SET UP HIS KINGDOM many many times!!

You said it has been happening since Christ ascended to heaven…

How long ago was Christ crucified now?

Over 2000 years!!

So Wakeup is spot on & not lying at all.

Your accusation is very strange considering your much stated opinion on the kingdom already being here!

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,16:25)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup.

Wakeup, so you will listen?
Good.

The kingdom of God to come is eternal.
Are you ready for it?
Are you looking for the return of Jesus into His eternal kingdom?

Do you believe what Jesus said, and what Peter said, and others?

Can you please explain to me 2nd Peter 3? Because, the others seem to be avoiding it.

Thank you Wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 19 2013,18:49)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,16:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Wakeup, so you will listen? Good. The kingdom of God to come is eternal. Are you ready for it? Are you looking for the return of Jesus into His eternal kingdom? Do you believe what Jesus said, and what Peter said, and others? Can you please explain to me 2nd Peter 3? Because, the others seem to be avoiding it. Thank you Wakeup.

Hi 2Besee.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
THEM WE HAVE TO WATCH,BY COMPARING SCRIPTURES AND PROPHECIES.

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
THIS HAS BEEN SAID MANY TIMES BY BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS.

2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
THE OLD WORLD PERISHED BY WATER.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
THIS WORLD WILL BE JUDGED BY FIRE.THERE WILL BE A 3RD WW,AND ARMAGEDDON. (FIRE ALSO).

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
ONE DAY IS WITH THE LORD AS 1000YRS.NOT 2000YRS.
THE *REST* WILL BE 1000YRS, IN PARADISE,FOR THE REMNANTS OF THE JEWS.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
GOD IS LONGSUFFERING;HE IS GIVING US TIME TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT,TIME TO COME TO HIM.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, ****the earth also**** and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
1. THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME AS A THIEF,FOR THE ONES THAT ARE ASLEEP,(THE 10VIRGINS).(5 ARE ASLEEP).

2.THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH HEAT, **AND THE EARTH ALSO SHAL MELT**

3.BUT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AT THE DAY OF HIS COMING,BECAUSE ONLY 1/3 OF MAN WILL BE KILLED.
9:18.THE MELTING OF THE EARTH WILL KILL ALL MEN.

4. IF THE EARTH WILL MELT AT THE COMING;THEN THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE WAR.REV.16:13.14.

5.PETER IS JUST SUMMING THINGS UP;WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE KINGDOM WILL BE ON EARTH FOR 1000YRS,THIS IS THE FIRST DOMINION. THE SQUARE.(CUBE)REV.21.
NOT THE WHOLE EARTH YET,UNTILL THE PREACHING IS DONE.,AND THE GENTILES GIVEN A CHANCE.

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? THIS IS THE RENEWING OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. WONT HAPPEN AT THE COMING,BUT AFTER,
THE 1000YR PREACHING IS DONE.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH WILL BE AFTER THE *SECOND* DOMINION HAS BEEN ACHIEVED.
AND THAT IS THE WHOLE EARTH HAS BEEN CONVERTED AND THE REST THAT FOLLOWED GOG; DESTROYED BY GOD HIMSELF.(the battle of gog and magog).

Decerning the scriptures is important.
God will not destroy the old generation jews,without giving them a chance to know Christ teachings.For no man can come to the Father but by me;all must know him.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Hi Wakeup.
2nd Peter 3 is easy to understand.  

2Pet.3

[1] This is now the second letter that I have written to you, beloved, and in both of them I have aroused your sincere mind by way of reminder;
[2] that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
[3] First of all you must understand this, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions
[4] and saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation.”
[5] They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water,
[6] through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
[7] But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

God will not let man destroy the planet entirely but, as before, when water was used to destroy the planet that then existed, again, God will use nature to destroy the planet. It will be destroyed by fire.

[8] But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Now, here lies the problem. People think this has to do with the millennium being a thousand years future. But, no. This is the time from Jesus' first advent until the coming, which is the end of the world. You can see this with the following verse where Peter continues………

[10] But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

This does not mean something else. Jesus has said the same thing. Everything will be destroyed with fire. But some will still remain, and that is God's choice who remains.  To remain, you have to have God's protection, and I believe that this verse goes with Daniel chapter 3 (please read it Wakeup), when Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed'nego were thrown into the fiery furnace which was heated seven times HOTTER, and behold, one like the son of the “gods” was seen with them, and they were not harmed at all.

'He answered, “But I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

'For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

[11] Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
[12] waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!

Again Peter repeats Himself, so that people DO hear and understand.

[13] But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Here is Peter saying that they are waiting for a new heavens and a new earth. No mention of waiting for a temporary millennium.
This is in Revelation 21:

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

[2] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;
[3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them;
[4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.

Do you see how there is no more death, etc.

[14] Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.

[15] And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
[16] speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
[17] You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.
[18] But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

How do you tie all of this in with your belief in what is to come, Wakeup?

[Wakeup]

2Besee.

The picture you presented has got many parts missing.
Those parts missing can not be filled because the whole picture is wrong.

Whats missing:
That can not be incorporated
into your picture:

1. The remnants of the jews,brought back from the grave in the flesh.EZ.37.

2.Paradise; where the children will play with the snake and not be bitten; where the old man will live up to 100yrs.
Where they will be building their own houses and living in peace.

3.There is the first dominion and the second dominion.
Micah 4:8. The first dominiion will come to the daughter of Zion.The kingdom will come to them;please read.
None of this is in your picture.

4.There is the camp of the saints,and gog and magog.rev.20. where can you fit that in your picture?

5.Satan will not be cast in the lake of fire at the coming.
he will be in prison. You will say he is now in prison and soon he will be let loose before the coming.

6 This spin will not work becase the scriptures are clear; He will be cast in prison at the coming,not before the coming; and not cast in the lake of fire,together with the false prophet and the beast.rev19.

7. He will not be destroyed together with the false prophet and the beast. But will be cast in the fire 1000yrs later, where the false prophet and the beast are.

8. God himself will destroy satan ;not Jesus.rev20:9.

9.In your picture; the non christians will all be cast in the lake of fire. All children that never even heard of Christ will be burned. This is not picturing a God of justice.
What will happen to all the dead Hindus and Muslems that are in the graves? How will they be judged??

Are there non of them good? Ah yes you will say,and they also will be saved.

Not so I say; for all must come through Christ.first. No man can come to the father but by me.All must be taught
about Jesus. Btw;will all the dead be resurrected before they are judged?

10 The earth will melt and only the born again will be caught up,into heaven.While God is coming down to earth?? mysteries after mysteries?

11. What are we doing in heaven when earth will be made as heaven?

These are just a few of the missing parts of the picture.

Please consider before responding;defend the truth ,and not your prefered doctrine.

wakup.

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 20 2013,01:13)

9.In your picture;  the non christians will all be cast in the lake of fire. All children that never even heard of Christ will be burned. This is not picturing a God of justice. What will happen to all the dead Hindus and Muslems that are in the graves? How will they be judged??

Wakeup,  I have never said that.

As to the rest of your post,
I do not defend doctrines, I defend visions, and the scriptures that go with them, perfectly, mainly in the NT.

Nothing that you, Journey or Devolution post to me will change my view.
I am trying to change your view, but I do not think that will happen.

So we should just leave it I think and maybe talk about something else one day.

K?

[Wakeup]

2Besee.

You dont realise it,but you are ignoring the old prophecies
which also is the same word of God.
Many saw visions; like constantine did,and many more.

You take care.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Wakeup,
John had visions, Daniel had visions, etc.
I ask God a question and God showed me a vision. I have not told you that vision nor do I teach it. What it does match is scripture. It matches the words of Jesus & Peter, etc.
You reject not my vision, because you do not know it. You instead reject the words of the NT.

[terraricca]

Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 16 2013,07:20)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2013,06:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,16:20) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,15:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,19:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,09:25) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,13:19) Wakeup, did you say “correct me”? okay. So you will listen? 2Besee. Ofcourse I will listen,if you use scriptures that can contradict my scriptures. wakeup. Sins wen God can contradict himself And who are you to judge Gods word ? Terra. Just a sample. I says that the kingdom will be for a thousand years. And you come and say; not true it is two thousand years. Good;bring out your scriptures and will bring out mine. wakeup. Very simple show me wen I say that it is 2000 years Now if you can not show me my quote (s) you have so lied and this would be a sample of how you and others operate , So Let see it , Terra. Have you changed your mind now? You have always believed that the kingdom is now. wakeup. wup you did not show me were I said those things you accuse me of ,so you ARE A LIAR ,right yes thanks Terra, You DID say that Christ has already SET UP HIS KINGDOM many many times!! You said it has been happening since Christ ascended to heaven… How long ago was Christ crucified now? Over 2000 years!! So Wakeup is spot on & not lying at all. Your accusation is very strange considering your much stated opinion on the kingdom already being here!

Wup

Setup a kingdom take more time than setting up a camping tent,

And specially wen the citizen of that kingdom are picked in time as time goes bye,

But wen the kingdom will be ready you will know it ,in full power ahead,but until then wait and see

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,17:39)

Wup Setup a kingdom take more time than setting up a camping tent, And specially wen the citizen of that kingdom are picked in time as time goes bye, But wen the kingdom will be ready you will know it ,in full power ahead,but until then wait and see

Good one T!  

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