The redemption of the nazarenes

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Negative .
Look on the bright side occasionally

[Wakeup]

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Hi WU, Negative . Look on the bright side occasionally

Nick.

Yeah; always peach smooth things only.
Tickle the ears.

Isaiah 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
But you do not know the future
anyone can guess.

[journey42]

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Hi J42, That is the point. If it is something as obvious as building a temple they will have years to find out. Why would they suddenly come to their senses when it is built and realise they have to scarper?

Nick

The false prophet cannot sit in the temple until it's declared finished.  Why do you think the Medes are so mad?
They realise that they have been duped.  When the temple is finished the false prophet will hold a big song and dance, a celebration of himself.  He will sit in there as God. That's how we will know when it's finished.

2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

He can only sit in there when it's completed.  In the meantime, he is busy conquering other nations, and will have his headquarters there in Jerusalem, but not a palace finished yet.

In that holy place, now stands the temple of the Medes, The Dome of the Rock.  The False prophet will have to destroy it when he occupies Israel.  The Medes will celebrate that Israel has been attacked.  

Isaiah 14:29   Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

But when the Medes realise that the False prophet has built another temple in that same exact holy place for himself, they will catch on. This is the fuel to cause them to come into Israel and attack. They are fighting the False Prophets kingdom with the 10 kings.  All nations will take either side.

The Medes are the Kings of the East (East of Jerusalem)
and their allies.

Revelation 16:12   And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

The Israelites only come to their senses when they realise that they also have been duped.  They used the false prophet to destroy the dome of the Rock so that their could build their temple in that same spot. In other words, they concocted a fake attack.  They believe their Messiah will not come until it their temple is finished and set up, only the False prophet will sit in there himself, ……and not only has this deal backfired on them, but the angry nations from all over the world come in to Israel to gather.  The Israelites will be surrounded by their own enemies in their own country and many will be killed in the crossfire.  The Medes are coming in with so much vengeance, as they will see it as Israel causing this big sham.
So it does not go according to Israel's plan, and they end up in the middle of the crossfire.

They come to their senses when they realise how destitute they are, for they always believed that they could not be touched, that God has been protecting them, yet the masses are being killed.

[journey42]

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Hi J42, Your exposition is flawed again. So are comments like this really APPROPRIATE or helpful?   “I hope you will go back to the drawing board Keras if you have any love for the truth.”

Nick

Keras has written books. He is comfortable that he has found the truth and sits in his cosy little nest. His posts are cluttered and confusing. They are not straight forward. He concentrates on the Sun Strike, and does not deliver the message to the christians about the Mark of the Beast and to refuse it. His event timings are not in harmony with the scriptures. When Wakeup and myself point things out he shows arrogancy towards us, and does not address certain points addressed to him in scripture. I have given him lengthy explanations with tons of scripture that is CLEAR and he has answered me with more clutter. I am bold to him now, like he is bold to me, and it is all for the love of the truth. He will not budge, I know that, and he clearly stated that no matter what evidence is given to him, he will stand by what he says, because if he changed his view and admitted error, he would have to recall all his books, and the risk of losing credibility is too great for him. Therefore he is not putting the truth first. We are handling the Word of Life here, and it has to be treated with care. Truth should be no. 1, and pride right down the bottom.

It would be better for him to explain in small parts, laid out clearly, for the tons of scriptures he gives is too much for anyone to look up. It would take hours. Better we understand small sections at a time, then be lost in a whole theory crammed in all at once. His teaching methods are only attracting those who do not understand prophesies, and like the idea of his theory.

[journey42]

keras,May wrote:

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J42, Your love for the truth seems suspect. You are like Wakeup [his disciple?] making definitive pronouncements that are incorrect.

Keras

This is what I'm talking about.   Your arrogancy.  Wakeup did not sit next to me or hold my hand when I wrote my reply's to you.  Wakeup has been a good teacher to me, and has taught me to analyse for myself, word for word contained in the scriptures.  So my answers to you are from me, and if you want to call me Wakeup's disciple, go ahead.  The apostles had their own disciples, and what's important, is that the same message is preached,  the very same doctrine in the scriptures. One truth.  All truth is given by God, and God has not left me alone in this big world full of lies and hypocrisy.  I have a brother in Christ that laid out to me in the very beginning, the true foundation that can not be broken, and this is all God's doing for my edification, and not destruction.  In the end we are both witnesses in agreement against you, and both can use the scriptures capably for defence against errors.

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Like the 2300 days, which in the Bible are 'evenings and mornings'. They are actually 1150 days and were exactly fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanies desecrated the Temple 163-5 BCE.

You need to provide evidence why this is not talking about the last days.
This is why I gave all those scriptures in my previous posts.  

 Daniel 12:4   But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We know that the Lamb opened that book in Revelation.  We know that this same book, is that book with the seven seals concerning the end times, not history.
 
Matthew 24:15   When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Matthew 24:22   And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Daniel 8:14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then…. shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

The sanctuary is not cleansed.  Only Christ will clean it up on his return.  The sanctuary has been contaminated all along and will only get worse.
The abomination of Desolation is at the end of time before the coming.  Not passed already.  This error you need to fix.

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Like Nick, I do not see your comments as appropriate or helpful.

So only you are allowed to say that we are in error and have no understanding?  A little taste of your own medicine is bitter indeed to swallow.
 

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Are you convinced that all the wrath of God happens at the Return? Read Rev. 15:1 to see your mistake.

The wrath of God happens during that time frame I explained to you.  All within the 6.49 years right up until the 7th trumpet on the 7th seal (The one and only coming of the Lord, and destroying of Babylon the Great in ONE DAY)

The wrath of God will probably be around 3 years in total within that 6.49 year time frame.  Then it is done. Christ will rule all nations, and take their dominions away.

[keras]

It is unfortunate that we have a conflict of beliefs about the end times. What I do is write articles aimed at being used as study guides. To post these on a forum is perhaps not the best, especially when others on that forum already have firm ideas of what they think will happen.
I use a program on my computer, so I highlight a Bible verse, mouse click and the verse comes up. Easy.

J42, your post #43 is 100% speculation, therefore not worthy of comment.

[journey42]

keras,May wrote:

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It is unfortunate that we have a conflict of beliefs about the end times. What I do is write articles aimed at being used as study guides. To post these on a forum is perhaps not the best, especially when others on that forum already have firm ideas of what they think will happen.

Keras,

If you are confident in what you believe, you should be able to provide an answer when challenged, on this forum, or anywhere for that matter.  I am not challenging you for the sake of it, but as I understand better what message you are sending, I realise that it is not in harmony with the scriptures.
I have tried to show you politely, where I find the contradictions, but you brush me off so easily.  If you can take the time to write books, you should be patient when one questions something, and provide backup or at least answer their points.

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I use a program on my computer, so I highlight a Bible verse, mouse click and the verse comes up. Easy.

That's good.  It saves time, but when I quote,  I know the verse is in my head already, and when I go on line to find a verse, I know exactly what I'm looking for.

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J42, your post #43 is 100% speculation, therefore not worthy of comment.

This is the kind of arrogancy you display towards me, and it just gets worse.  I still have no answers from you yet, and if all those scriptures I gave can be brushed off so easily, then you are not taking God's holy word seriously, and just leave it hanging in the air like it's nothing.

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
You say
“I understand better”
Enough said

[NickHassan]

Hi Keras,
Jn16
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Yes the Spirit can reveal the future but is more keen for us to know how to avoid the wrath of God

Jn3

31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

[NickHassan]

Hi Keras,
.Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

.Colossians 3:6
For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,

.1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

[keras]

The 2300 evenings and morningswere fulfilled exactly in 165-163 BCE. Read Maccabees in the Apocrypha. Judas Maccabee cleansed and rededicated the Temple then. To say it is 2300 days and to try to fit it into our end times is confusing error. I have the support of most Bible scholars on this.
Re Rev 15:1, you seem to change your ideas, I thought you have said all the wrath of God happens at the Return. At the Return, Jesus destroys the army attacking Jerusalem and binds Satan. The 3.5 years before that, is the Great Tribulation of the Trumpets and Vials. But what you and others miss, is the Sixth Seal that is obviously listed before all that and IS the Day of the Lord's wrath.
That literal Day, is what I try to get people to understand is the event that 'comes as a thief', sudden and unexpected; a Day of fire from heaven that will change the world and be the commencement of the end times. If we could agree on that, then we are getting somewhere.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
2thess 1

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
rescue.
.2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

[journey42]

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Re Rev 15:1, you seem to change your ideas, I thought you have said all the wrath of God happens at the Return. At the Return, Jesus destroys the army attacking Jerusalem and binds Satan. The 3.5 years before that, is the Great Tribulation of the Trumpets and Vials. But what you and others miss, is the Sixth Seal that is obviously listed before all that and IS the Day of the Lord's wrath. That literal Day, is what I try to get people to understand is the event that 'comes as a thief', sudden and unexpected; a Day of fire from heaven that will change the world and be the commencement of the end times. If we could agree on that, then we are getting somewhere.

Hi Keras
Firstly, you have not addressed who you are speaking to?

The 3 Woes

Revelation 8:13   And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

The 1st Woe – 5th Angel

Revelation 9:1   And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:2   And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 9:3   And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:5   And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revelation 9:6   And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

 Revelation 9:12   One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

Revelation 9:14   Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Revelation 9:15   And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:16   And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Revelation 11:14   The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

There are Seven Angels. 3 woes are given.  
1st Woe – 5th Angel  (evil spirits coming out of the bottomless pit)
2nd Woe – 6th Angel (more evil spirits coming out of the bottomless pit – preparing the and leading the armies to cross over the euphrates river that has been dried up. That war starts, 1/3 of men killed in that battle)
3rd Woe – Can only be the 7th Angel.

Revelation 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

THIS WOULD BE THE 3RD WOE, THE 2nd COMING, WHICH COMES QUICKLY AFTER THE 2ND WOE.
NOTE: THERE ARE NO MORE WOES.  The Mystery of God should be FINISHED.  There are no more surprises coming. Again, THE MYSTERY SHOULD BE FINISHED as it states.  But you say no, there's another mystery coming, the 7 vials will start?

SO WOULD CHRIST COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT TO THOSE WHO KNOW THESE EVENTS?  NO. WHEN WE SEE THESE THINGS COMING, IF WE ARE STILL ALIVE WE WILL KNOW HE COMES SOON, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN AWAKE AND WATCHING THE SIGNS. IT WILL BE NO SURPRISE TO US WHO READ THE SCRIPTURES….BUT THE WORLD, WHO DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN CHRIST'S EXISTENCE?  A BIG SHOCK.

NOTE: THE 5TH SEAL (2ND WOE) LASTS ONLY 5 MONTHS. HOW LONG DID YOU SAY THE 7 TRUMPETS IN TOTAL WILL LAST?
THE 3RD WOE IS THE COMING OF CHRIST.  WE KNOW CHRIST WILL COME TO STOP THAT WAR OR ELSE NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED….AND THIS IS WHY THE THIRD WOE COMES QUICKLY

Revelation 11:14   The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

THIS 3RD WOE IS THE COMING OF THE LORD.
PICTURE THIS, ARMIES GATHERING IN ISRAEL TO WAR ON THE 2ND WOE (6TH TRUMP), A THIRD OF MEN ARE KILLED THERE IN THAT BATTLE, THE 3RD WOE COMES QUICKLY, THAT WAR IS STOPPED SO MEN STOP KILLING EACH OTHER, NOT ONLY THAT, THEIR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE CAPABLE OF KILLING ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE NATIONS OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL, NOW THE LAMB MUST ACT FAST OR NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED.  IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS WAR, IT HAS GAINED THE ATTENTION OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. THE WORLD WILL BE SO TROUBLED AND ABSORBED IN THIS,  THEY DO NOT KNOW OR EVEN THINK ABOUT CHRIST. WHEN HE COMES HE WILL BE LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT TO “THEM” AND APPEARS SUDDENLY… FOR THEY WERE NOT EXPECTING HIM. THEY  POINT THEIR WEAPONS UP AT CHRIST NOW WHO IS IN THE SKY WITH ALL HIS ANGELS, AND THE 144,000 NOW (THE FIRSTFRUITS) THE SKY IS LIT UP, BECAUSE OF THEIR BRIGHTNESS, AND CHRIST'S IS BRIGHTER THAN THEY ALL. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S CHRIST, THEY THINK ALIENS OR SOMETHING.  BATTLE AGAINST THE LAMB ABOUT TO START.  
THE LORD FIGHTS BACK. THIS WOULD BE THE DAY OF THE LORDS WRATH, THE 7TH TRUMPET, …THE 3RD WOE….  BABYLON COMPLETELY DESTROYED IN ONE DAY. THEY DON'T STAND A CHANCE, IT WILL NOT TAKE LONG TO DESTROY THEM, CHRIST DOES NOT FIGHT WITH WEAPONS, BUT WITH THE SWORD OF MOUTH (AT HIS COMMAND) AND WITH THIS THE NATIONS WILL BE JUDGED.

to be continued…..
please don't quote until i've posted next bit.
Thankyou

[journey42]

So now you say, ok the trumpets are the first part.  The vials are separate.  Another punishment to come.
What you fail to realise is this;

5th TRUMPET
Rev 9:3   And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5   And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6   And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

THIS SOUNDS PRETTY BAD.  SCORPIONS STING.  THESE ARE NOT SCORPIONS OBVIOUSLY, BUT EVIL SPIRITS, DESCRIBED AS UGLY LOOKING CREATURES, LET OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND GIVEN PERMISSION TO HARM.  IF THESE MEN WOULD RATHER DEATH, THEN THIS STING MUST BE SO PAINFUL AND UNBEARABLE.

NOW COMPARE THE 5TH TRUMPET TO THE 5TH VIAL.

THE 5TH VIAL
Revelation 16:10   And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Revelation 16:11   And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

This is why they would rather die, because the sting of those scorpion looking devils, is leaving them with so much pain, causing sores.  This first woe, is not an attack on the earth, but on men's physical bodies who do not have the seal of God (which are those who have the mark of the beast)

Please comment on this one first
Continued….

[journey42]

6TH TRUMPET
Rev 9 14   Saying to the 6th angel what the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Something is happening there in the Euphrates River.  We are told angels have been bound there, and are being let loose.  These angels are very wicked, and their only purpose is to stir up men to war.

Revelation 9:16   And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Revelation 9:17   And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Revelation 9:19   For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

How else, would John describe modern weapons of warfare?
The armies are not fighting with swords here.  You can see the armies are crossing over into Israel, and the battle begins.

NOW COMPARE THE 6TH TRUMPET TO THE 6TH VIAL

6th VIAL,
Revelation 16:12   And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

The Euphrates again.  This shows us that the water dries up so those armies can cross over on dry land.

Revelation 16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The 4 angels that are prepared for war are let out of the Euphrates in the 6th trump which gives the description of that war, in the 6th vial, the armies cross over the euphrates, into Israel. they battle there in Israel, the 7th vial shows the all the kings of the earth are gathered there in that same place, but misses out on the details with them waring each other, which we were given in the 6th trumpet.
But we know that's the reason why they went there in the first place, for battle,  whilst they are all there (God has mustered them up all in that one place for what he has planned), they stop waring each other, because Christ has appeared, and they fight the lamb instead.  This would be the next part, the 7th trump, the 3rd woe.

Revelation 16:15   Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Revelation 16:16   And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

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[journey42]

7TH TRUMP
Revelation 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

NOW COMPARE THE 7TH TRUMPET WITH THE 7TH VIAL

7th VIAL
Revelation 16:17   And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

[Wakeup]

J42.

You have your war paint on.
You are so much ahead of everyone here.
Is there any time left to catch up with you?

wakeup.

[keras]

Journey 42, I am addressing you. WU and Nick chime in too.
You don't even mention the 6th Seal in your lengthy posts, the event that will start the end times countdown.
All what you say will happen, but what sets the stage is the Sixth Seal worldwide devastation.
I don't separate the Trumpets and Vials, they are all part of the 3.5 year G.T.
As Nick quotes in 2 Peter 3:7 the world is reserved for a fire judgement. Where does that fit in your end time scene?

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