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Hi keras,
Everyone claims they can support everything they say with scripture
But none agree because most are deceived.
Are you infallible?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,19:59) Hi keras,
A common assumption is that the chapters of Revelation are sequential.
I do not believe so but suggest they retell the same story from various different standpoints
Yes, some of the chapters in Rev refer back to expand on events.
But the Seals, Trumpets and Vials ARE sequential.
To scramble them or as some do: place the 6th Seal at the Return, is seriously wrong and makes you liable for the curse in Rev 22:19.
Be aware that there must be at least 20 years before the Return, as the 7th Seal time gap tells us. Therefore, there is enough time for all that is prophesied to happen.
And the Sixth Seal is next!Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,07:51) Hi keras,
Everyone claims they can support everything they say with scripture
But none agree because most are deceived.
Are you infallible?
Its 9am where I live right now. It must be night in America, can't you sleep?Like you, I see a lot of confusion and deception with end time ideas and not many really support what they say with ALL the relevant prophesies.
I am not infallible, but the Word of God is. Read what I point out from the Word and understand. Or remain in the dark.
Hi keras,
Why would another NZer like you be asleep at 9am?Scripture is very malleable and can be made to fit most of the ideas of men.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,08:08) Hi keras,
Why would another NZer like you be asleep at 9am?Scripture is very malleable and can be made to fit most of the ideas of men.
I'm in Thames, give us a call this evening; 07 868 2385I do not see the prophesies as able to be twisted, unless you take it out of context, as so many do -to their shame.
Hi keras,
Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?salvation is the issue more so than knowing the future
My task, I believe God given, is to promote the Prophetic Truth. This I do, despite ostracism and vilification.
All secular and most Church people are totally ignorant and simply do not want to know what God has planned for our future.
I think God will ask them; 'Why didn't you take note of the third of My holy Word to you of prophecy?
Re Amos 3:3, we do agree, I presume, that the Bible is God's Word to us. Understanding it is the difficulty. Deut 29:4Hi Keras,
Certainly mainstream christianity needs to be informed
as they are outside of the protection of GodGod is the Judge. He sees into the heart. He will say to many, so called Christians: I never knew you.
You say salvation is the issue and it is most important, but we must be very careful as it is not enough just to say the sinners prayer. Jesus said: Repent and be saved.
True repentance and then living a righteous life is what we must do.
Any questions, comments on my articles?Hi Keras,
You say
“Jesus said: Repent and be saved.”He did not quite say that and His view of righteousness is not quite that of men.
The only righteousness we can attain is being reborn into His righteous Son, of water and the Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then there is no condemnation for us and we have passed over from death to life[Rom8, jn5]
We must approach the throne of grace daily to be cleansed and supplied with grace and for our daily needs to be met.
Then to seek being transformed in the mind and made useful by the inner educational and equipping work of the Spirit to serve our God.
God expects a return on His investment but the rewards are eternal.
You have put a lot of work into the articles but you can never say you have explained it all.
There was a Discovery program tonight about CMEs and the potential for solar catastrophes-interestingQuote Nick, like most Christians, you can't see the correct sequence of events.
Your quote from Matt 24, occurs at the mid point of the last 7 years. This is after the AC has taken control of the OWG.Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
To all reading
We have to learn to discern all these scriptures. The chapter of Matthew 24 was regarding them back then, and also for us in the last days. So a dual prophecy. But “The Abomination of Desolation” is the FINAL sign of the END, just before Christ returns. This sign is for us, not them back then.
The Abomination of Desolation is the temple that THE FALSE PROPHET will set up in ISRAEL for himself to sit in.Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him
Jerusalem is between THE DEAD SEA, and the MEDITERRANEAN SEA.
This is where the Abomination of Desolation will be set up.The false prophet will be with us for a total of 2300 days. I will get to that below. This works out to 6.46 years. So close to 6 1/2 years in TOTAL.
Just so you know I am speaking of the False prophet, read on;Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
The little horn is THE FALSE PROPHET.Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
THIS MAN, THE FALSE PROPHET, WILL HAVE POWERS SO GREAT, THAT THEY ARE DESCRIBED AS REACHING EVEN HEAVEN. SO CONSIDER HOW MUCH CONTROL HE WILL HAVE IN HIS HANDS.Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him …the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
In other words So, how long is this whole period concerning this DAILY SACRIFICE (leading up to it, by this man, then being taken away) to the END? Start to finish of his rule?
TO PUT SIMPLE, THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD ON THE SAINTS AND THE WORLD MUST BE WITHIN THIS TIME FRAME, AND THE WRATH ON BABYLON (7 TRUMPETS/7 VIALS) WILL START AFTER THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS ISSUED. ALL IN THIS TIME FRAME.Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then…. shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
This equals 6.49 years. ALL IN THIS TIME FRAME. THIS SCRIPTURE IS THE KEY to TRUTH CONCERNING THIS. CANNOT BE CONTESTED, TWISTED, OR DISTORTED. ANY OTHER INFORMATION GIVEN IS FALSE.
In the last part of the 6.49 years, the false prophet will be occupying Israel for 3 1/2 years (Dan 12:11, Rev 11:2).
So before the false prophet occupies Israel, he has to come up, show his face, and gain popularity with the world,
displaying his new solutions and his miracles etc with the New World Order by his side (10 kings).
(SO HE WILL BE POPULAR, RISING TO POWER FOR THE FIRST 3 YEARS, THEN HE WILL INVADE AND OCCUPY ISRAEL FOR NEXT 3 1/2 YEARS)
Once he has gained the peoples affection, power will be given to him completely to lead. So his rising with the NWO to his end is close to 6.5 years.When the False prophet enters Israel, his temple will start construction, ….this will take 3 1/2 years to complete,….but when it is declared finished at the end of his term, and he finally sits in there declaring himself as God, wait another 45 days, and the Lord will come and destroy him.
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Michael the arch angel is the PRINCE OF ISRAEL. This shows that every nation has a prince over them. Daniel wrote this during the rule of Medo-Persia. The prince of Persia was a bad prince, (Daniel 10:20), who gave Gabriel trouble, where he had to call Michael for help. This also shows that Greece has a prince too, who was coming). These princes of Persia and Greece are Fallen High ranking Angels in charge of the nations) What's their purpose? To influence trouble and war. The reason Gabriel and Michael had to fight them, is because everything has to be according to God's timing, or else things would move to quickly and we'd be all finished by now. So trouble like this about to happen on this scale has NEVER HAPPENED, up to the time Israel will delivered.Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
This is the resurrection of the saints. The Coming of the Lord.
Those who wake to everlasting contempt will be resurrected to be judged a thousand years later.Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightnes
s of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
That sealed book was opened up by the lamb that was slain, and revealed in the book of Revelations. The seals are opened to us already, for they contain what is in them.Daniel 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
3 1/2 years is the last leg of the False Prophet's rule. When his job is declared done, then these things will be FINISHED, not a beginning of another tribulation.Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Again, the understanding of these words concerning The False Prophet, ruling in this last kingdom, were sealed and closed up at that time, which have been opened to us by the lamb in the book of Revelation now. We have details now. It is clearer.Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Those who will be purified, made white, and tried, are those that will go through persecution and be killed because of their faith and obedience in not taking the Mark of the Beast.Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Here, we are given a clue. The last 3 1/2 years of the False Prophets rule will take this long to complete the Abomination of Desolation. The Lord will come soon.Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Those who are waiting, are the believers that are still alive and spared right up to this time. They would not have the mark of the beast, and may be in prison camps. They are told to WAIT, after the temple of the false prophet (abomination of desolation) is DECLARED FINISHED. They only have to wait another 45 days, till the Lord comes and destroys Babylon the Great.So to wrap it all up, Your Quote Nick, concerning The Abomination of Desolation being SEEN standing in THE HOLY PLACE (Jerusalem) is NOT MID WAY THROUGH THE TRIBULATION, but AT THE END OF IT,
because we can't see it until it's FINISHED, COMPLETED.
The reason why those Jews are running is because there are ANOTHER 45 DAYS TO GO, till the Lord comes, and before he does, the MEDES are all coming in to Israel to WAR, and will cause devastation when they enter to all in their path. The rest of the armies will follow all leading up to that great Battle against each other, and then the final one AGAINST THE LAMB.Quote But before that there comes the Day of the Lord's wrath, the 6th Seal, that will change the world. Read Rev 7 again. It comes just after the 6th Seal – the seals must be removed before a scroll can be opened. The Lord's righteous people, from every race and tongue, will gather in all of the holy Land.
Note that verse 14 does NOT refer to the Great Tribulation of the Trumpets and Vials, only to the 6th Seal 'ordeal', as translated in my REB. The Isaiah 26 warning applies to the 6th Seal also.
The Matt 6 quote is to do with the sin of making a show of prayer, as the Pharisees did.
I hope you will go back to the drawing board Keras if you have any love for the truth.Hi J42,
You say
“The Abomination of Desolation is the temple that THE FALSE PROPHET will set up in ISRAEL for himself to sit in.”Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
The jewish people are warned to flee IMMEDIATELY when this sign occurs
Are you saying they can wait and watch till the key goes in the lock and then head for the hills?nick wrote:[/quote]
NickChrist is not telling them what to do, he says “Let them”
He is showing us that when it happens they will not have time to do anything.The Jews do not follow Christ, therefore they are not reading the scriptures. It will take them by surprise.
Any Jew that does read and follow, will have the sense to leave Israel.Hi J42,
That is the point.
If it is something as obvious as building a temple they will have years to find out.
Why would they suddenly come to their senses when it is built and realise they have to scarper?Hi J42,
Your exposition is flawed again.
So are comments like this really APPROPRIATE or helpful?“I hope you will go back to the drawing board Keras if you have any love for the truth.”
Nick, of course there is more to salvation than my quote above. And we are told that 'All who call on the Name of the Lord will be saved'. Joel 2:32 That happens on the Day of the Lord's wrath.
J42, Your love for the truth seems suspect. You are like Wakeup [his disciple?] making definitive pronouncements that are incorrect. Like the 2300 days, which in the Bible are 'evenings and mornings'. They are actually 1150 days and were exactly fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanies desecrated the Temple 163-5 BCE. Like Nick, I do not see your comments as appropriate or helpful.
Are you convinced that all the wrath of God happens at the Return? Read Rev. 15:1 to see your mistake.Hi Keras,
Indeed.The whole purpose of the coming of Jesus for us was rescue.
We need to get that bit right as the rest is otherwise just vanity
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