The red dragon

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Terra.

IT SAYS THRONES, NOT THRONE.
This is speaking of many thrones will be cast down.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Terra. IT SAYS THRONES, NOT THRONE. This  is speaking of many thrones will be cast down. wakeup.

wup

it talks about many thrones set up as many as one +12 +144k but ONE KINGDOM

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,09:23) Terra. IT SAYS THRONES, NOT THRONE. This  is speaking of many thrones will be cast down. wakeup. wup it talks about many thrones set up as many as one +12 +144k but ONE KINGDOM

Terra.

Can you find any scripture that can support that?

wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2012,02:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,09:23) Terra. IT SAYS THRONES, NOT THRONE. This  is speaking of many thrones will be cast down. wakeup. wup it talks about many thrones set up as many as one +12 +144k but ONE KINGDOM Terra. Can you find any scripture that can support that? wakeup.

wup

Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

REV 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

and Christ being the head

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,09:38) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2012,02:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,09:23) Terra. IT SAYS THRONES, NOT THRONE. This  is speaking of many thrones will be cast down. wakeup. wup it talks about many thrones set up as many as one +12 +144k but ONE KINGDOM Terra. Can you find any scripture that can support that? wakeup. wup Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. REV 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. and Christ being the head

Terra brother.

Dont mixup events as you please?

Was Daniel 7 all about the judgement or about the dreadful beast that will be cast in the fire?

Verse9.the last part was Just –describing– God and his throne.
verse 10. also describing God and the throne of judgement,that Daniel saw.

This chapter is mainly about the dreadful beast and his destruction.

The white throne judgement will be after the 1000year reign,
because it mentioned books were opened(second resurrection,not first).

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Wup

It is clear we do not see things in the same window ,
Let stop here , we can come back to it at a later time

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Wup It is clear we do not see things in the same window , Let stop here , we can come back to it at a later time

Terra.

Yes of course we dont see things the same way,thats why we are dicussing things; and let the word be the judge.

wakeup.

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Dont mixup events as you please?

I do not mix anything because scriptures are all about Gods kingdom not men 's,

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wup Quote Dont mixup events as you please? I do not mix anything because scriptures are all about Gods kingdom not men 's,

Terra.

There is the first resurrection ;
and there is the second resurrection.
We can not mix them up.

In the 1st resurrection we are judged by Christ.
In the 2nd resurrection ,we are judged by the books.

wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,05:31) wup Quote Dont mixup events as you please? I do not mix anything because scriptures are all about Gods kingdom not men 's, Terra. There is the first resurrection ; and there is the second resurrection. We can not mix them up. In the 1st resurrection we are judged by Christ. In the 2nd resurrection ,we are judged by the books. wakeup.

wup

to receive the glory of being in the first resurrection ,you have to be qualified first and this is done during our live time until dead,and so we are judged according to our live in Christ ,

any one who is not found in the first resurrection will be in the second resurrection (except for a few )and will go trough Christ judgement what means that for a time the devil will be released and men will do what is in their hearts and so they will be judged ,this will be the final judgement ,after this dead it self will be destroyed,amen

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2012,04:05) Wup It is clear we do not see things in the same window , Let stop here , we can come back to it at a later time Terra. Yes of course we dont see things the same way,thats why we are dicussing things; and let the word be the judge. wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,17:17) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2012,04:05) Wup It is clear we do not see things in the same window , Let stop here , we can come back to it at a later time Terra. Yes of course we dont see things the same way,thats why we are dicussing things; and let the word be the judge. wakeup.

Terra.

You have percieved the prophesys different than I have,and therefore are we here to compere them using the scriptures.
Let the scriptures be the judge.
Its all for our own benefit. No self pride must be involved.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 06 2012,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,05:31) wup Quote Dont mixup events as you please? I do not mix anything because scriptures are all about Gods kingdom not men 's, Terra. There is the first resurrection ; and there is the second resurrection. We can not mix them up. In the 1st resurrection we are judged by Christ. In the 2nd resurrection ,we are judged by the books. wakeup. wup to receive the glory of being in the first resurrection ,you have to be qualified first and this is done during our live time until dead,and so we are judged according to our live in Christ , any one who is not found in the first resurrection will be in the second resurrection (except for a few )and will go trough Christ judgement what means that for a time the devil will be released and men will do what  is in their hearts and so they will be judged ,this will be the final judgement ,after this dead it self will be destroyed,amen

Terra.

I agree with this so far.
But between the first and the second resurrection is the 1000yr kingdom; this is for the saints that has been resurrected in the first resurrection,to teach those jews that has been brought back from the graves living in peace.And they also will teach the gentiles outside.

When the 1000yrs are expired,satan will be let loose to draw the non believers to destruction(gog and magog).

Then the 2ND RESURRECTION.
The resurrection of all people,of all generations.Judged by the books.The great white throne judgement.

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But between the first and the second resurrection is the 1000yr kingdom; this is for the saints that has been resurrected in the first resurrection,to teach those jews that has been brought back from the graves living in peace.And they also will teach the gentiles outside.

with the first resurrection start the 1000 years,this are new conditions and only the faithful believers will be their Jews,and gentils .

EX 22:21 “ You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
EX 23:9 “ You shall not oppress a stranger(gentile), since you yourselves know the feelings of a stranger, for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt.

JOS 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers(gentiles) who were living among them.

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wup Quote But between the first and the second resurrection is the 1000yr kingdom; this is for the saints that has been resurrected in the first resurrection,to teach those jews that has been brought back from the graves living in peace.And they also will teach the gentiles outside. with the first resurrection start the 1000 years,this are new conditions and only the faithful believers will be their Jews,and gentils . EX 22:21 “ You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. EX 23:9 “ You shall not oppress a stranger(gentile), since you yourselves know the feelings of a stranger, for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt. JOS 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers(gentiles) who were living among them.

Terra.

Yes,we shall not treat a stranger in our home differently,this is true.

But God chose israel,for himself;for a purpose,and he also will finish up with israel.

The 1000yrs is only for the israelis,that have been brought back from the grave,no gentiles in there.

Why? because the gentiles had their chance to come to Christ for 2000yrs now;and besides; they would have been resurrected at the coming,if they have made it; or else,they will be outside(can not come in).(shut out).

In the 1000yr reign, it will be the jews turn to come to Christ.

And they will be strongly in Christ,and teach also the gentiles and the failed christians outside the kingdom.These christians that did not make it in the first resurection,but survived the destruction of babylon,they also will multiply into a nation.

So first the jews—then the gentiles—then gentile teaching jews—then back to jews teaching gentiles.

Gentiles teaching jews to provoke them to jealousy; because of what they did. they provoked God to jealousy by worshipping other Gods.

But dont forget that today also there are a small number of jews that has accepted Jesus.(jewish christians).They will be resurrected in the first resurrection;if they are true followers.

wakeup.

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But God chose Israel,for himself;for a purpose,and he also will finish up with Israel.

God is the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacobs (Israel )if you look deeper you will find that it is people like Abraham and Isaac and Jacobs that will be part of the NATION of Israel ,not the physical descendant of them,this is what faith is all about ,

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wup Quote But God chose Israel,for himself;for a purpose,and he also will finish up with Israel. God is the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacobs (Israel )if you look deeper you will find that it is people like Abraham and Isaac and Jacobs that will be part of the NATION of Israel ,not the physical descendant of them,this is what faith is all about ,

Terra.

Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob will be brought back in the kingdom.
And his children,will become a great nation.

wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,11:11) wup Quote But God chose Israel,for himself;for a purpose,and he also will finish up with Israel. God is the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacobs (Israel )if you look deeper you will find that it is people like Abraham and Isaac and Jacobs that will be part of the NATION of Israel ,not the physical descendant of them,this is what faith is all about , Terra. Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob will be brought back in the kingdom. And his children,will become a great nation. wakeup.

wup

the true children of Abraham and Jacob are all the faithful Christians and the faithful Jews before Christ

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,18:49) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2012,11:11) wup Quote But God chose Israel,for himself;for a purpose,and he also will finish up with Israel. God is the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacobs (Israel )if you look deeper you will find that it is people like Abraham and Isaac and Jacobs that will be part of the NATION of Israel ,not the physical descendant of them,this is what faith is all about , Terra. Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob will be brought back in the kingdom. And his children,will become a great nation. wakeup. wup the true children of Abraham and Jacob are all the faithful Christians and the faithful Jews before Christ

Terra.

Yes,but the gentile christians will be first,and the jew second.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

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Terra. Yes,but the gentile christians will be first,and the jew second. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup, you seem to have 'switched' the order here…

“Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace,
to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”   (Rom.2:9-10)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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