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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 15 2013,22:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,23:28) theodorej! Long time! I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism.
Unfortunately christianity is exactly that.
How many ways are there to god, for example?
Stuart
If you possess any logic, ask yourself this.What is the ratio of truth vs a lie.
e.g., 1+ 1=2
Or 1+1=3
1+1=4
…It is clear that there is truth and then there is an abundance of ways to lie.
One truth. It is logical and self evident.
You failed again Stu.
One day you might win on a point. But to do that, you need to let go of your emotions that make you rebel against all that is true. You need to settle down and think about the answer. I know you can do it. You don't even need to be intelligent. Just sensible. And all can be sensible if they choose.
I wish you the best in that endevour.
t8 …. Mathmatics has never been my long suit …. Truth verses logic is a loaded question simply because Truth defies human logic … that is why the forces of evil have triumphed in our culture…Quote (Stu @ Feb. 16 2013,08:33) Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 15 2013,23:51) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,20:28) Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 15 2013,00:45) Stu …. Diversecity in and of itself is what makes up this world we live in …. it is tolerance that is the most demanding requisite,of which our very nature is opposed to… You cannot legislate tolerance… Dictators by nature are in tolerant …. The elixir of the masses in our free western world is liberty of which we have confused with license and for that we will loose our freedom…
theodorej! Long time!I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism.
Unfortunately christianity is exactly that.
How many ways are there to god, for example?
Stuart
Stu … Christianity is a way of life …. The proof that we are awash in confusion over just what christianity is evident by the many versions there are… and… can you believe it …. they all correct in their doctrine because it “says it here in the Bible”….Jesus graced this planet to speak to organized religion and the dangers it imposed and those in charge killed him…. This was part of Gods plan to show us The Way… and… that was to emulate the life of this carpenters son who held to the Law (Torah) NOT the Talmud..Most of Jesus' followers were Jews…
Matthew 16:18-19Stuart
Stu …. posting with you is like having my brain run a 6 minute mile … an invigorating work out…Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 17 2013,01:36) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 15 2013,22:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,23:28) theodorej! Long time! I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism.
Unfortunately christianity is exactly that.
How many ways are there to god, for example?
Stuart
If you possess any logic, ask yourself this.What is the ratio of truth vs a lie.
e.g., 1+ 1=2
Or 1+1=3
1+1=4
…It is clear that there is truth and then there is an abundance of ways to lie.
One truth. It is logical and self evident.
You failed again Stu.
One day you might win on a point. But to do that, you need to let go of your emotions that make you rebel against all that is true. You need to settle down and think about the answer. I know you can do it. You don't even need to be intelligent. Just sensible. And all can be sensible if they choose.
I wish you the best in that endevour.
t8 …. Mathmatics has never been my long suit …. Truth verses logic is a loaded question simply because Truth defies human logic … that is why the forces of evil have triumphed in our culture…
Tuth never defies logicQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2013,13:12) Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 17 2013,01:36) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 15 2013,22:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,23:28) theodorej! Long time! I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism.
Unfortunately christianity is exactly that.
How many ways are there to god, for example?
Stuart
If you possess any logic, ask yourself this.What is the ratio of truth vs a lie.
e.g., 1+ 1=2
Or 1+1=3
1+1=4
…It is clear that there is truth and then there is an abundance of ways to lie.
One truth. It is logical and self evident.
You failed again Stu.
One day you might win on a point. But to do that, you need to let go of your emotions that make you rebel against all that is true. You need to settle down and think about the answer. I know you can do it. You don't even need to be intelligent. Just sensible. And all can be sensible if they choose.
I wish you the best in that endevour.
t8 …. Mathmatics has never been my long suit …. Truth verses logic is a loaded question simply because Truth defies human logic … that is why the forces of evil have triumphed in our culture…
Tuth never defies logic
Logic is a human invention.So is Truth.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 19 2013,20:31) Logic is a human invention. So is Truth.
Stuart
That is illogical Stu.There are things in the Universe that are true and logical that were around long before humans. They didn't become logical when we turned up.
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 19 2013,20:31) Logic is a human invention. So is Truth.
Stuart
Wasn't it you who posted a video of one of his ape grand kids doing a puzzle.Yet now you are saying that logic is not becoming of this ape because it is a human invention.
So according to you, primitive apes became humans and the moment they became humans, they invented logic.
This is getting more interesting as time goes on.
Is there anything else you would like to add.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 19 2013,17:49) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 19 2013,20:31) Logic is a human invention. So is Truth.
Stuart
Wasn't it you who posted a video of one of his ape grand kids doing a puzzle.Yet now you are saying that logic is not becoming of this ape because it is a human invention.
So according to you, primitive apes became humans and the moment they became humans, they invented logic.
This is getting more interesting as time goes on.
Is there anything else you would like to add.
Astounding. Did you think that chimpanzees teach their young to count in base 10 (or higher) using arabic numerals??The video has nothing to do with chimpanzees deploying logic.
Whose “ape grand kids” do you mean? If you mean my avatar, then it would be wrong to think that orangutans were ancestors of chimpanzees. Still, you must be quite used to being wrong about natural history t8. If you realise it.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 19 2013,17:44) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 19 2013,20:31) Logic is a human invention. So is Truth.
Stuart
That is illogical Stu.There are things in the Universe that are true and logical that were around long before humans. They didn't become logical when we turned up.
There are indeed things in the universe that should be considered to be true. But it is your choice whether you incorporate those facts into your construction of Truth. Certainly there is a sense of the word truth that refers to things that are true, but that wasn't the sense in which it was being used in that previous conversation.Young earth creationists have something they call Truth which isn't build on things that are true.
I'm sure it's also true that there are things in the universe that existed before humans, that we have discovered then deemed to be logical. But the full range of philosophy that we call logic is a construct that only exists (as far as we know) inside the human mind. It is an adaptation sharpened by natural selection, and I hasten to add that many animal species do exhibit a certain degree of logic too so perhaps I can't claim logic as an exclusively human system of thinking.
Stuart
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