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Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
http://www.ubhistory.org/Documents/HG19060426_SadlerW_08.pdf
More proof Urantia just simple offshoot
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:41) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:58) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:41) Forward to the Urantia Book “Acknowledgment
(16.8) 0:12.11 In formulating the succeeding presentations having to do with the portrayal of the character of the Universal Father and the nature of his Paradise associates, together with an attempted description of the perfect central universe and the encircling seven superuniverses, we are to be guided by the mandate of the superuniverse rulers which directs that we shall, in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind.
(17.1) 0:12.12 Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.
(17.2) 0:12.13 We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience — God-consciousness.
(17.3) 0:12.14 [Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]
colter
Can you not see how this makes no sense? The Highest concept at thetime of the Urantia Book was to call this planet “EARTH” and not give us a whole listof new names that have no bearing on reality it appears changing the name of earth was purposed for us to suppose a pre-existent knowlede of it, but even that makes no sense.aso the book di not take the “BEST” concepts available and remained ignorant on a ton of topics especially the immediate surrounding history.
I can believe an entity told the tales but the question is what entity? But the book won't even tell us that.
“human wisdom must evolve”
The Urantia Book doesn't provide wisdom. Is it wise to give Satan a platform, name worlds after him and label him as misunderstood?
You live in wimpy fear of the ghost of Satan. That's what the cowards who rejected Jesus did. You're wasting your time playing the fear game on me that they used on you.Satan never was a God.
Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Wlliam Sadler one of the Main “Writers”/Founders of the UB was a seventh day adventist they havemany things in common it was an offshoot of the seventh day adventist.The fact is the SDA proclaimed Michael to be Jesus long before the time the UB proclaimed Michael to be Jesus as well as being anti-atonement amongst other things even the UB commision tried to suggest that is why William Sadler was chosen because being a part of the SDA he was more prepared to receive the teachings.
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:41) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,22:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2013,13:58) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 12 2013,12:41) Forward to the Urantia Book “Acknowledgment
(16.8) 0:12.11 In formulating the succeeding presentations having to do with the portrayal of the character of the Universal Father and the nature of his Paradise associates, together with an attempted description of the perfect central universe and the encircling seven superuniverses, we are to be guided by the mandate of the superuniverse rulers which directs that we shall, in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind.
(17.1) 0:12.12 Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.
(17.2) 0:12.13 We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience — God-consciousness.
(17.3) 0:12.14 [Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]
colter
Can you not see how this makes no sense? The Highest concept at thetime of the Urantia Book was to call this planet “EARTH” and not give us a whole listof new names that have no bearing on reality it appears changing the name of earth was purposed for us to suppose a pre-existent knowlede of it, but even that makes no sense.aso the book di not take the “BEST” concepts available and remained ignorant on a ton of topics especially the immediate surrounding history.
I can believe an entity told the tales but the question is what entity? But the book won't even tell us that.
“human wisdom must evolve”
The Urantia Book doesn't provide wisdom. Is it wise to give Satan a platform, name worlds after him and label him as misunderstood?
You live in wimpy fear of the ghost of Satan. That's what the cowards who rejected Jesus did. You're wasting your time playing the fear game on me that they used on you.Satan never was a God.
Colter
He wouldn't have to be a god but you sure put Satan in high esteem.Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:52) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Wlliam Sadler one of the Main “Writers”/Founders of the UB was a seventh day adventist they havemany things in common it was an offshoot of the seventh day adventist.The fact is the SDA proclaimed Michael to be Jesus long before the time the UB proclaimed Michael to be Jesus as well as being anti-atonement amongst other things even the UB commision tried to suggest that is why William Sadler was chosen because being a part of the SDA he was more prepared to receive the teachings.
Computer analysis has proven that Sadler is not the author. Saddler wrote 40 books in his lifetime which can be compared. Of coarse we can't analyse the Quaran because the over sensitive Muslims will freak out and crash planes into buildings.Michael and his angels battling the devil and defeating him has been known for 2000 years.
Colte
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,14:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:52) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Wlliam Sadler one of the Main “Writers”/Founders of the UB was a seventh day adventist they havemany things in common it was an offshoot of the seventh day adventist.The fact is the SDA proclaimed Michael to be Jesus long before the time the UB proclaimed Michael to be Jesus as well as being anti-atonement amongst other things even the UB commision tried to suggest that is why William Sadler was chosen because being a part of the SDA he was more prepared to receive the teachings.
Computer analysis has proven that Sadler is not the author. Saddler wrote 40 books in his lifetime which can be compared. Of coarse we can't analyse the Quaran because the over sensitive Muslims will freak out and crash planes into buildings.Michael and his angels battling the devil and defeating him has been known for 2000 years.
Colte
The computer analysys only prove it wasn't written in his style and that's because he had other people write it. NEWS FLASH: DR KELLOGG and DR SADLER invented your religion.They meant no harm but it is indeed harmful
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,15:49) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,14:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:52) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Wlliam Sadler one of the Main “Writers”/Founders of the UB was a seventh day adventist they havemany things in common it was an offshoot of the seventh day adventist.The fact is the SDA proclaimed Michael to be Jesus long before the time the UB proclaimed Michael to be Jesus as well as being anti-atonement amongst other things even the UB commision tried to suggest that is why William Sadler was chosen because being a part of the SDA he was more prepared to receive the teachings.
Computer analysis has proven that Sadler is not the author. Saddler wrote 40 books in his lifetime which can be compared. Of coarse we can't analyse the Quaran because the over sensitive Muslims will freak out and crash planes into buildings.Michael and his angels battling the devil and defeating him has been known for 2000 years.
Colte
The computer analysys only prove it wasn't written in his style and that's because he had other people write it. NEWS FLASH: DR KELLOGG and DR SADLER invented your religion.They meant no harm but it is indeed harmful
If true, that would be quite a compliment bestowed upon those two.But then again, both Saddler and Kellogg were upright, moral men. Unlike Mohamed, neither of them were pedophiles, neither owned slaves, married their slaves, married cousins or held a Coptic Christian as a sex slave or had 13+/- wives.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,21:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,15:49) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,14:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:52) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Wlliam Sadler one of the Main “Writers”/Founders of the UB was a seventh day adventist they havemany things in common it was an offshoot of the seventh day adventist.The fact is the SDA proclaimed Michael to be Jesus long before the time the UB proclaimed Michael to be Jesus as well as being anti-atonement amongst other things even the UB commision tried to suggest that is why William Sadler was chosen because being a part of the SDA he was more prepared to receive the teachings.
Computer analysis has proven that Sadler is not the author. Saddler wrote 40 books in his lifetime which can be compared. Of coarse we can't analyse the Quaran because the over sensitive Muslims will freak out and crash planes into buildings.Michael and his angels battling the devil and defeating him has been known for 2000 years.
Colte
The computer analysys only prove it wasn't written in his style and that's because he had other people write it. NEWS FLASH: DR KELLOGG and DR SADLER invented your religion.They meant no harm but it is indeed harmful
If true, that would be quite a compliment bestowed upon those two.But then again, both Saddler and Kellogg were upright, moral men. Unlike Mohamed, neither of them were pedophiles, neither owned slaves, married their slaves, married cousins or held a Coptic Christian as a sex slave or had 13+/- wives.
Colter
If you look at the structures set up by Kellogg and Sadler for the Coucils, forums…etc in the Urantia Book and look at their own lives which were also full of Councils, board members and associations you can see a complete mirror image. these guys were sanitarium directors the entire top tier of Urantia reflects their profession combined with the seventh day adventist backgroundSadler was a complete follower of Kellogg—-
Although Sadler was a committed Adventist for much of his early life, he stayed less involved after John Kellogg was excommunicated in 1907 in the wake of a conflict with Ellen G. White, the church's founder.[10] The Sadlers became disenchanted with the church and subsequently criticized it.[22] Sadler rejected some Adventist teachings, such as White's status as a prophetess and the importance of Saturday as Sabbath. He retained a positive view of White and rejected allegations that she was a charlatan.[23]
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,04:56) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,21:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,15:49) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,14:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,13:52) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 13 2013,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2013,11:51) Seventh Day adventist Most Christians are amazed to learn that SDA teaches that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, but Ellen G. White said He was Michael, so if they changed this, they'd need to reject her as “the spirit of prophecy” and they'd not be the remnant church! So now they hold He's both God the Son, and Michael. In fact, Ellen G. White DENIED the deity of Jesus, who in 1903 said, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (ms 140, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129). Yet, modern SDA claim to believe in Jesus' deity and the Godhead in their official statement of faith (SDA Believe, # 2 and 4).
The Michael mentioned in the Book of Revelation isn't referred to as an “archangel” . That's wishful thinking on your part. And Christians are even more amazed at how much Mohamed screwed up the Jesus story.
Colter
Wlliam Sadler one of the Main “Writers”/Founders of the UB was a seventh day adventist they havemany things in common it was an offshoot of the seventh day adventist.The fact is the SDA proclaimed Michael to be Jesus long before the time the UB proclaimed Michael to be Jesus as well as being anti-atonement amongst other things even the UB commision tried to suggest that is why William Sadler was chosen because being a part of the SDA he was more prepared to receive the teachings.
Computer analysis has proven that Sadler is not the author. Saddler wrote 40 books in his lifetime which can be compared. Of coarse we can't analyse the Quaran because the over sensitive Muslims will freak out and crash planes into buildings.Michael and his angels battling the devil and defeating him has been known for 2000 years.
Colte
The computer analysys only prove it wasn't written in his style and that's because he had other people write it. NEWS FLASH: DR KELLOGG and DR SADLER invented your religion.They meant no harm but it is indeed harmful
If true, that would be quite a compliment bestowed upon those two.But then again, both Saddler and Kellogg were upright, moral men. Unlike Mohamed, neither of them were pedophiles, neither owned slaves, married their slaves, married cousins or held a Coptic Christian as a sex slave or had 13+/- wives.
Colter
If you look at the structures set up by Kellogg and Sadler for the Coucils, forums…etc in the Urantia Book and look at their own lives which were also full of Councils, board members and associations you can see a complete mirror image. these guys were sanitarium directors the entire top tier of Urantia reflects their profession combined with the seventh day adventist backgroundSadler was a complete follower of Kellogg—-
Although Sadler was a committed Adventist for much of his early life, he stayed less involved after John Kellogg was excommunicated in 1907 in the wake of a conflict with Ellen G. White, the church's founder.[10] The Sadlers became disenchanted with the church and subsequently criticized it.[22] Sadler rejected some Adventist teachings, such as White's status as a prophetess and the importance of Saturday as Sabbath. He retained a positive view of White and rejected allegations that she was a charlatan.[23]
the universe is actually a sanitarium and God is the warden. That's funny
When we read the OT boos that would explain a lot
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,08:34) the universe is actually a sanitarium and God is the warden. That's funny
When we read the OT boos that would explain a lot
Colter
Seriously it really is structured in a way they were familiar with if it was written today it would have been a totally different streamlined structure most likely much more digitally oriented.The structure is really old and I doubt an advanced body of beings would be constructed like a 1950's board of health
plus a lot of the concepts are even ancient in comparison to todays technology.Actually the Moses story is much more advanced the Muhammad story is much more advanced and evidenced as being more powerful by the results.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2013,15:02) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 14 2013,08:34) the universe is actually a sanitarium and God is the warden. That's funny
When we read the OT boos that would explain a lot
Colter
Seriously it really is structured in a way they were familiar with if it was written today it would have been a totally different streamlined structure most likely much more digitally oriented.The structure is really old and I doubt an advanced body of beings would be constructed like a 1950's board of health
plus a lot of the concepts are even ancient in comparison to todays technology.Actually the Moses story is much more advanced the Muhammad story is much more advanced and evidenced as being more powerful by the results.
Oh, that's right, you haven't read the UB.3:7 He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations – they are the substance of the Book – and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
Colter
Dan 12:1-4
“At that time Michael will arise, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Those who have insight will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the book until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase.”
Colter
Dan 12:1-4
“At that time Michael will arise, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Those who have insight will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the book until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase.”
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 16 2013,05:17) Dan 12:1-4 “At that time Michael will arise, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Those who have insight will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the book until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase.”
Colter
Quote Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Here it is again the very specific idea of hell, you cannot be in everlasting shame and contempt if you simply do not exist anymore.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2013,09:07) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 16 2013,05:17) Dan 12:1-4 “At that time Michael will arise, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Those who have insight will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the book until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase.”
Colter
Quote Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Here it is again the very specific idea of hell, you cannot be in everlasting shame and contempt if you simply do not exist anymore.
Sure you can, Hitler, for example is dead, but he is in everlasting shame and contempt.Lucifer, Satan and all those who mislead the world will be dead yet their name in history will be in everlasting shame and contempt.
The Goodness of God
(40.5) 2:6.1 In the physical universe we may see the divine beauty, in the intellectual world we may discern eternal truth, but the goodness of God is found only in the spiritual world of personal religious experience. In its true essence, religion is a faith-trust in the goodness of God. God could be great and absolute, somehow even intelligent and personal, in philosophy, but in religion God must also be moral; he must be good. Man might fear a great God, but he trusts and loves only a good God. This goodness of God is a part of the personality of God, and its full revelation appears only in the personal religious experience of the believing sons of God.
(40.6) 2:6.2 Religion implies that the superworld of spirit nature is cognizant of, and responsive to, the fundamental needs of the human world. Evolutionary religion may become ethical, but only revealed religion becomes truly and spiritually moral. The olden concept that God is a Deity dominated by kingly morality was upstepped by Jesus to that affectionately touching level of intimate family morality of the parent-child relationship, than which there is none more tender and beautiful in mortal experience.
(41.1) 2:6.3 The “richness of the goodness of God leads erring man to repentance.” “Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights.” “God is good; he is the eternal refuge of the souls of men.” “The Lord God is merciful and gracious. He is long-suffering and abundant in goodness and truth.” “Taste and see that the Lord is good! Blessed is the man who trusts him.” “The Lord is gracious and full of compassion. He is the God of salvation.” “He heals the brokenhearted and binds up the wounds of the soul. He is man’s all-powerful benefactor.”
(41.2) 2:6.4 The concept of God as a king-judge, although it fostered a high moral standard and created a law-respecting people as a group, left the individual believer in a sad position of insecurity respecting his status in time and in eternity. The later Hebrew prophets proclaimed God to be a Father to Israel; Jesus revealed God as the Father of each human being. The entire mortal concept of God is transcendently illuminated by the life of Jesus. Selflessness is inherent in parental love. God loves not like a father, but as a father. He is the Paradise Father of every universe personality.
(41.3) 2:6.5 Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. Truth exhibits God as a revealer, as a teacher. But love gives and craves affection, seeks understanding fellowship such as exists between parent and child. Righteousness may be the divine thought, but love is a father’s attitude. The erroneous supposition that the righteousness of God was irreconcilable with the selfless love of the heavenly Father, presupposed absence of unity in the nature of Deity and led directly to the elaboration of the atonement doctrine, which is a philosophic assault upon both the unity and the free-willness of God.
(41.4) 2:6.6 The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality — one of justice and one of mercy — neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father’s favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.
(41.5) 2:6.7 God is never wrathful, vengeful, or angry. It is true that wisdom does often restrain his love, while justice conditions his rejected mercy. His love of righteousness cannot help being exhibited as equal hatred for sin. The Father is not an inconsistent personality; the divine unity is perfect. In the Paradise Trinity there is absolute unity despite the eternal identities of the co-ordinates of God.
(41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
(42.1) 2:6.9 Facing the world of personality, God is discovered to be a loving person; facing the spiritual world, he is a personal love; in religious experience he is both. Love identifies the volitional will of God. The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness — the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 16 2013,21:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2013,09:07) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 16 2013,05:17) Dan 12:1-4 “At that time Michael will arise, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Those who have insight will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the book until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase.”
Colter
Quote Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt. Here it is again the very specific idea of hell, you cannot be in everlasting shame and contempt if you simply do not exist anymore.
Sure you can, Hitler, for example is dead, but he is in everlasting shame and contempt.Lucifer, Satan and all those who mislead the world will be dead yet their name in history will be in everlasting shame and contempt.
The Goodness of God
(40.5) 2:6.1 In the physical universe we may see the divine beauty, in the intellectual world we may discern eternal truth, but the goodness of God is found only in the spiritual world of personal religious experience. In its true essence, religion is a faith-trust in the goodness of God. God could be great and absolute, somehow even intelligent and personal, in philosophy, but in religion God must also be moral; he must be good. Man might fear a great God, but he trusts and loves only a good God. This goodness of God is a part of the personality of God, and its full revelation appears only in the personal religious experience of the believing sons of God.
(40.6) 2:6.2 Religion implies that the superworld of spirit nature is cognizant of, and responsive to, the fundamental needs of the human world. Evolutionary religion may become ethical, but only revealed religion becomes truly and spiritually moral. The olden concept that God is a Deity dominated by kingly morality was upstepped by Jesus to that affectionately touching level of intimate family morality of the parent-child relationship, than which there is none more tender and beautiful in mortal experience.
(41.1) 2:6.3 The “richness of the goodness of God leads erring man to repentance.” “Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights.” “God is good; he is the eternal refuge of the souls of men.” “The Lord God is merciful and gracious. He is long-suffering and abundant in goodness and truth.” “Taste and see that the Lord is good! Blessed is the man who trusts him.” “The Lord is gracious and full of compassion. He is the God of salvation.” “He heals the brokenhearted and binds up the wounds of the soul. He is man’s all-powerful benefactor.”
(41.2) 2:6.4 The concept of God as a king-judge, although it fostered a high moral standard and created a law-respecting people as a group, left the individual believer in a sad position of insecurity respecting his status in time and in eternity. The later Hebrew prophets proclaimed God to be a Father to Israel; Jesus revealed God as the Father of each human being. The entire mortal concept of God is transcendently illuminated by the life of Jesus. Selflessness is inherent in parental love. God loves not like a father, but as a father. He is the Paradise Father of every universe personality.
(41.3) 2:6.5 Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. Truth exhibits God as a revealer, as a teacher. But love gives and craves affection, seeks understanding fellowship such as exists between parent and child. Righteousness may be the divine thought, but love is a father’s attitude. The erroneous supposition that the righteousness of God was irreconcilable with the selfless love of the heavenly Father, presupposed absence of unity in the nature of Deity and led directly to the elaboration of the atonement doctrine, which is a philosophic assault upon both the unity and the free-willness of God.
(41.4) 2:6.6 The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality — one of justice and one of mercy — neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father’s favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.
(41.5) 2:6.7 God is never wrathful, vengeful, or angry. It is true that wisdom does often restrain his love, while justice conditions his rejected mercy. His love of righteousness cannot help being exhibited as equal hatred for sin. The Father is not an inconsistent personality; the divine unity is perfect. In the Paradise Trinity there is absolute unity despite the eternal identities of the co-ordinates of God.
(41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
(42.1) 2:6.9 Facing the world of personality, God is discovered to be a loving person; facing the spiritual world, he is a personal love; in religious experience he is both. Love identifies the volitional will of God. The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness — the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.
Colter
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to everlasting shame and contempt.Please read what it is saying this is what they will awake to so someone like hitler will awake to this
Thats what >you< want, revenge torture and burning. Its backward and primitaive and bears no relation to the religion of Jesus.
There is life eternal and there is death everlasting.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,05:00) Thats what >you< want, revenge torture and burning. Its backward and primitaive and bears no relation to the religion of Jesus. There is life eternal and there is death everlasting.
Colter
It is not what I want it is the way it is Jesus says there will be “wailing and gnashing teeth”
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