The origin of dEvil

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  • #360486
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    #360487
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    This is a very good video. It covers many things that I have been thinking about over the years. And although we may be aware of many of his points, it is good to hear them explained simply and put in a context.

    #360507
    Wakeup
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    I like the cosmos and nucleus part.

    Regarding the creation I dont agree a bit.

    He claims that before the garden was created;
    the earth was perfect until it became dark and without form.

    It was dark because the light was not brought forth.
    According to him;lucifer was in charge of the first earth
    and he caused the darkness, and put it out of form and void.
    Not true.

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    1.It was dark(no light, no sun).
    2 Without form(no hills no valeys no mountains)
    it was a water planet.
    3.And void ( nothing on it; but a ball of water).
    4. The God's spirit moved over the waters,and started
    the finishing touchs.

    wakeup.

    #360519
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    I guess we do not have enough info to prove either way, but it is certainly a contender.

    #360529
    Wakeup
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    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 30 2013,09:58)
    I guess we do not have enough info to prove either way, but it is certainly a contender.


    T8.

    Here is scriptural proof that he had
    contradicted himself.

    Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

    KING OF TYRUS = LUCIFER/SATAN.
    HE IS ALSO CALLED THE KING OF BABYLON; AND THE ASSYRIAN.

    Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

    HERE IS ONLY EDEN MENTIONED; NOTHING ABOUT LUCIFER CAUSING DARKNESS AND VOID IN THE FIRST WORLD.

    Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the *holy mountain of God*;(HEAVEN) thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

    THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD IS HEAVEN.
    GOD'S KINGDOM IN HEAVEN. IT SEEMS THAT HE IS IN CHARGE OVER SOME ANGELS IN HEAVEN.

    Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    HIS INIQUITY IS HIS CONDUCT AND PRIDE.
    NOTHING ABOUT HIM CAUSING DARKNESS IN THE FIRST WORLD.

    Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

    HIS MERCHANDISE = THE BEAUTY AND WISDOM HE POSSESSES, AND HIS DOINGS.

    Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

    HERE IS THE ANSWER TO THE ABOVE.
    THOU HAVE CORRUPTED THY WISDOM BECAUSE OF THY BEAUTY AND BRIGHTNESS.(MERCHANDISE)

    Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

    THY TRAFFIC = HIS WAYS AND ACTIONS.

    Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

    THOU **SHALT** BE A TERROR.
    THOU **SHALT** BE NO MORE
    THIS IS WHEN DEATH ITSELF WILL BE CONQUERED.

    AS YOU CAN SEE; THERE IS NOTHING SPOKEN OF THE FIRST WORLD. IT'S ALL ABOUT HIS QUALITIES AND HIS
    CORRUPTION.IF HE DISTROYED THE FIRST WORLD:
    WHY IS IT NOT MENTIONED AT ALL? see also isaiah 14.

    wakeup.

    #360564
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    I think you missed a few key points that he makes. But understand that I am not backing his view, but am open to it because I don't think there is enough info either way to know for sure.

    He mentions that the text actually says that the Earth became darkness. But I haven't checked it out because I am doing other things that are of a higher priority right now.

    #360565
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    I think this is the second part of the video that you said you liked. I haven't seen the second part so I don't know for sure. But I am listening to this one while I work.

    #360579
    terraricca
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    Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
    for so I ordained you.
    You were on the holy mount of God;
    you walked among the fiery stones.
    Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
    from the day you were created
    till wickedness was found in you.
    Eze 28:16 Through your widespread trade
    you were filled with violence,
    and you sinned.

    THOSE SCRIPTURES MAY NOT GIVE US THE START OF WHEN IT STARTED ,BUT IT REALLY TELL US HOW IT CAME TO BE ,AND ALSO WHAT TO LOOK FOR SO IT DOES NOT HAPPEN TO US ,BUT WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAYS ,AND WHAT IT DOES NOT SAY, authority with humbleness in your heart (like Joseph son of Jacob) would be a good tool to prevent a bad outcome,

    my penny on this

    #360628
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    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 30 2013,20:00)
    I think this is the second part of the video that you said you liked. I haven't seen the second part so I don't know for sure. But I am listening to this one while I work.


    We are worshipping a great God indeed.
    All things are framed by the Word of God.
    All are pixels in the frame.

    wakeup.

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