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Quote (2besee @ Mar. 27 2013,21:42) Hi Resting.
Satan is not destroyed yet because he is let lose for a little while just before the end. That is now i believe.
Read 2nd Peter 3, and tell me what you think, and what you think Peter means by the thousand years.
2Besee.some questions for you;and Ihope you will not ignore.
You believe that we are in the millennium now:1.Why is satan spared at the coming;not cast in the fire?
only the 10horned beast; and the false prophet.
rev.19:20.2.Babylon would be no more,where and what will satan
be doing?3.What will happen to all the non christians,past and
present,
since all the christians are in heaven?wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,01:15) J42 Tell me ,why would they be a war ,or evil in God s Sabbath (1000 years) ,with only the ones declared righteous in the first resurrection , And Satan tied up and locked up
Hi Pierre,The ones declared righteous in the first resurrection are the saints. The ones the saints are ruling over in the kingdom, are the Israelites. They are flesh. They are being taught the truth. These ones are protected by the lamb. He is that wall. Nothing can ever harm them.
So when Satan is released from his prison, he is not going after the resurrected saints,
no, he is going after the flesh Israelites,
and he uses men to do it. (all over again)
but this time he doesn't succeed.
God is just rounding most of them up,
and drawing them to that one place,
so they can be buried easily.
And for Israel to see that they are protected no matter what.
And Satan is used one last time by God to draw the wicked to himself So we have the goats on one side and the sheep. The final sifting.And for seven years, they will be burning the weapons. And for seven months they will be burying the dead.
Now it's white throne judgement. (JUDGEMENT DAY)
When all the dead get judged on their deeds,
to see if their names are written in the lambs book of life or not.
Even the flesh Israelites that were spared and lived in the kingdom, all the generations that lived during that millennium have to go through this. They will pass this time.Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 28 2013,01:23) Quote J42, The first 6 trumpets of Rev.ch 8 and 9 concern the demise of the church institutions and the sinners of them.
Why would you think that? I don't really understand what you say?
look at this?The first trumpet
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up (THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH…IT'S ABOUT THE EARTH. IF THE CHURCH IS “OF BABYLON” THEN THEY GET THE SAME MEASURE AS THE WORLD. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES.The second trumpet
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood (CONTAMINATED) and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed. (NOW THE SEA IS GETTING IT. CREATURES DYING, FOOD SOURCES WILL GO LOW, 1/3 OF PEOPLE TRAVELING AND WORKING ON SHIPS WILL DIE)The third trumpet
Rev 8:9 And there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the foundations of waters.
Rev 8:10 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter (1/3 PART OF ALL FRESH WATER SUPPLIES CONTAMINATED. THIS AFFECTS THE WHOLE WORLD. THIS IS DONE THIS WAY SO THAT EVERYONE IS NOT DESTROYED. THERE ARE MORE PLAGUES TO COME, AND THE MAJOR CITIES ARE BEING SPARED FOR WHEN CHRIST COMES…HE WILL DESTROY THEM. THE BUILDINGS ETC..NOT ALL THE PEOPLE.)Quote Trumpets are to do with Gods Household.
In the old days, when there was a war and the troops were prepared for battle, the sound of the horn meant “ATTACK”. They had no loud speakers in those days. If the horn played a certain melody, then it mean't to stop the attack, or it mean't to surrender. These trumpets are only symbolic. It means that God is saying “Attack”, and his angels are doing the work for him.Quote Trumpets lead up to the 7th trumpet return of Christ and the resurrection
YesQuote The vials of wrath concern the beasts kingdom and its worshippers which according to Rev.ch 13 encompasses most all of the world's people at the end. Rev. 13:8
The leader of this end time beast causes …ALL …both small or great, rich or poor, free or slave to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. This means that the WHOLE WORLD has been decieved by this end time beast's system. He's got them. Too late to turn around now, they already ALL received the mark. All who are receiving the mark is the whole world. The nations which go against the beast still have the mark and still receive the vials, which are the same as the trumpets. They have already been initiated, whether they like it or not.Quote The punishers of the disobedient of the churches in Rev.ch 9 are firstly the beast worshipping religious, but the 200 million army of the 6th trumpet is of the ten kings of Rev.ch 17:16. No it's all the armies combined. The 4 angels that were bound in the euphrates river and let out, are PREPARING MEN TO WAR. They are stirring trouble.
Quote and is not the Gog Magog army of Ez.
This I agree.Res, if you are not proud, and would like to understand better, then we can teach you. I can put more effort into explaining things. Everything I say can be backed up with scripture. I'm just so tired of all this, and soon time for me to leave this site.
No one here has ever accepted anything I say. Everything is rejected. I am confident and stand by what I teach. I have made a few errors here and there, but God always corrects me straight away. I have to go by and correct something I said earlier about Christ being in the sky at the 6th trumpet. I was wrong. It's the 7th trumpet when he comes. I've always known this, but somehow thought I saw something new when I didn't. My mistake. I hate that. Sorry .
Take care.
Sorry, but you have little idea of events and you have no idea whatever of the trumpets.You are all mixed up, and certainly not able to teach.
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 27 2013,20:45) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,01:15) J42 Tell me ,why would they be a war ,or evil in God s Sabbath (1000 years) ,with only the ones declared righteous in the first resurrection , And Satan tied up and locked up
Hi Pierre,The ones declared righteous in the first resurrection are the saints. The ones the saints are ruling over in the kingdom, are the Israelites. They are flesh. They are being taught the truth. These ones are protected by the lamb. He is that wall. Nothing can ever harm them.
So when Satan is released from his prison, he is not going after the resurrected saints,
no, he is going after the flesh Israelites,
and he uses men to do it. (all over again)
but this time he doesn't succeed.
God is just rounding most of them up,
and drawing them to that one place,
so they can be buried easily.
And for Israel to see that they are protected no matter what.
And Satan is used one last time by God to draw the wicked to himself So we have the goats on one side and the sheep. The final sifting.And for seven years, they will be burning the weapons. And for seven months they will be burying the dead.
Now it's white throne judgement. (JUDGEMENT DAY)
When all the dead get judged on their deeds,
to see if their names are written in the lambs book of life or not.
Even the flesh Israelites that were spared and lived in the kingdom, all the generations that lived during that millennium have to go through this. They will pass this time.
j42Quote The ones declared righteous in the first resurrection are the saints. The ones the saints are ruling over in the kingdom, are the Israelites. They are flesh. They are being taught the truth. These ones are protected by the lamb. He is that wall. Nothing can ever harm them. this seems not right according to scriptures ;
AC 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
AC 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
AC 11:1 Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God.and ;
AC 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.
AC 13:47 “For so the Lord has commanded us,
‘I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES,
THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.’ ”AC 26:20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
and;;
GAL 2:15 “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles;
GAL 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”EPH 4:17 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind,
RO 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
RO 2:29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.so all those scriptures show that Israelite is not the ones in the flesh but in the spirit ,AND SO THIS KILLS YOUR VIEW
Quote So when Satan is released from his prison, he is not going after the resurrected saints,
no, he is going after the flesh Israelites,THIS IS ALSO NOT ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;because scriptures says ;
Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.and then;
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.I can not read that their is Israelite according to the flesh
they are all mix in the second resurrection and Satan use them all who he can to go against the saints but he does not prevail.
j42
Quote Even the flesh Israelites that were spared and lived in the kingdom, all the generations that lived during that millennium have to go through this. They will pass this time. this seems not true according to scriptures ;;
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has”no power over them “, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,07:04) j42 Quote Even the flesh Israelites that were spared and lived in the kingdom, all the generations that lived during that millennium have to go through this. They will pass this time. this seems not true according to scriptures ;;
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has”no power over them “, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Terra.quote:
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has”no power over them “, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years unquote:
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THEY WILL BE PRIESTS OF GOD AND OF CHRIST,AND WILL REIGN WITH HIM FOR A 1000YRS.****REIGN OVER WHOM? AND PREACHING OVER WHOM****?
wakeup.
Wakeup,
I will be researching later to find out if, perhaps, these parts of Revelations have not been fulfilled already. Jesus did say that these things were soon to take place. So, before I answer your questions I will be doing some researching!Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,05:22) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 28 2013,01:23) Quote J42, The first 6 trumpets of Rev.ch 8 and 9 concern the demise of the church institutions and the sinners of them.
Why would you think that? I don't really understand what you say?
look at this?The first trumpet
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up (THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH…IT'S ABOUT THE EARTH. IF THE CHURCH IS “OF BABYLON” THEN THEY GET THE SAME MEASURE AS THE WORLD. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES.The second trumpet
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood (CONTAMINATED) and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed. (NOW THE SEA IS GETTING IT. CREATURES DYING, FOOD SOURCES WILL GO LOW, 1/3 OF PEOPLE TRAVELING AND WORKING ON SHIPS WILL DIE)The third trumpet
Rev 8:9 And there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the foundations of waters.
Rev 8:10 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter (1/3 PART OF ALL FRESH WATER SUPPLIES CONTAMINATED. THIS AFFECTS THE WHOLE WORLD. THIS IS DONE THIS WAY SO THAT EVERYONE IS NOT DESTROYED. THERE ARE MORE PLAGUES TO COME, AND THE MAJOR CITIES ARE BEING SPARED FOR WHEN CHRIST COMES…HE WILL DESTROY THEM. THE BUILDINGS ETC..NOT ALL THE PEOPLE.)Quote Trumpets are to do with Gods Household.
In the old days, when there was a war and the troops were prepared for battle, the sound of the horn meant “ATTACK”. They had no loud speakers in those days. If the horn played a certain melody, then it mean't to stop the attack, or it mean't to surrender. These trumpets are only symbolic. It means that God is saying “Attack”, and his angels are doing the work for him.Quote Trumpets lead up to the 7th trumpet return of Christ and the resurrection
YesQuote The vials of wrath concern the beasts kingdom and its worshippers which according to Rev.ch 13 encompasses most all of the world's people at the end. Rev. 13:8
The leader of this end time beast causes …ALL …both small or great, rich or poor, free or slave to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. This means that the WHOLE WORLD has been decieved by this end time beast's system. He's got them. Too late to turn around now, they already ALL received the mark. All who are receiving the mark is the whole world. The nations which go against the beast still have the mark and still receive the vials, which are the same as the trumpets. They have already been initiated, whether they like it or not.Quote The punishers of the disobedient of the churches in Rev.ch 9 are firstly the beast worshipping religious, but the 200 million army of the 6th trumpet is of the ten kings of Rev.ch 17:16. No it's all the armies combined. The 4 angels that were bound in the euphrates river and let out, are PREPARING MEN TO WAR. They are stirring trouble.
Quote and is not the Gog Magog army of Ez.
This I agree.Res, if you are not proud, and would like to understand better, then we can teach you. I can put more effort into explaining things. Everything I say can be backed up with scripture. I'm just so tired of all this, and soon time for me to leave this site.
No one here has ever accepted anything I say. Everything is rejected. I am confident and stand by what I teach. I have made a few errors here and there, but God always corrects me straight away. I have to go by and correct something I said earlier about Christ being in the sky at the 6th trumpet. I was wrong. It's the 7th trumpet when he comes. I've always known this, but somehow thought I saw something new when I didn't. My mistake. I hate that. Sorry .
Take care.
Sorry, but you have little idea of events and you have no idea whatever of the trumpets.You are all mixed up, and certainly not able to teach.
Res.
Resting,Maybe I am not a good teacher, but you have not given me any proof of what you are saying. So when you get off the couch and finish resting, lets have a serious conversation with scripture please to back your claims.
Journey 42.
Just do not make yourself into the great teacher. Be a pupil under Christ like everyone else.
Trumpets are given in symbols of the OT.
I can give you a sample of the way to interpret them.
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.A great Kingdom under judgment from Heaven is cast into the nations and the church is slain.
This church along with its missions among the nations are destroyed and many forsake the faith.
as per–
Mar 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mar 11:18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
Mar 11:19 And when even was come, he went out of the city.
Mar 11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.The vials of wrath have to do with the judgment of the nations who do not know God at all, but trumpets are to do with Gods Household the churches.
Obviously not all churches are His churches and not all members of His churches are faithful. Read the letters.
2 Thes ch 2 gives it that a great falling away from the faith will occur in the churches, and for this one must read the prophets of the OT who describe it.
The unchurched wicked of the world will be dealt with by the vials only after Gods dealings with his Household is completed and He returns to pour out His wrath in them,
See Psalm 18 for the condition of Gods own before His return and after.
Jer 51:19 The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.
Jer 51:20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;
Jer 51:21 And with thee will I break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee will I break in pieces the chariot and his rider;
Jer 51:22 With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid;
Jer 51:23 I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers.
Jer 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD.
Jer 51:25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.
Jer 51:26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the LORD.
Jer 51:27 Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillers.
Jer 51:28 Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion.
Jer 51:29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.Do not make the army of the 6th trumpet into the same army as the 6th vial .
Read Joel.
I can see it is too big a subject for this form of communication, and all I can do is make suggestions which you can take or leave as you wish.
That is all I have to say to you.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,05:22) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 28 2013,01:23) Quote J42, The first 6 trumpets of Rev.ch 8 and 9 concern the demise of the church institutions and the sinners of them.
Why would you think that? I don't really understand what you say?
look at this?The first trumpet
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up (THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH…IT'S ABOUT THE EARTH. IF THE CHURCH IS “OF BABYLON” THEN THEY GET THE SAME MEASURE AS THE WORLD. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES.The second trumpet
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood (CONTAMINATED) and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed. (NOW THE SEA IS GETTING IT. CREATURES DYING, FOOD SOURCES WILL GO LOW, 1/3 OF PEOPLE TRAVELING AND WORKING ON SHIPS WILL DIE)The third trumpet
Rev 8:9 And there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the foundations of waters.
Rev 8:10 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter (1/3 PART OF ALL FRESH WATER SUPPLIES CONTAMINATED. THIS AFFECTS THE WHOLE WORLD. THIS IS DONE THIS WAY SO THAT EVERYONE IS NOT DESTROYED. THERE ARE MORE PLAGUES TO COME, AND THE MAJOR CITIES ARE BEING SPARED FOR WHEN CHRIST COMES…HE WILL DESTROY THEM. THE BUILDINGS ETC..NOT ALL THE PEOPLE.)Quote Trumpets are to do with Gods Household.
In the old days, when there was a war and the troops were prepared for battle, the sound of the horn meant “ATTACK”. They had no loud speakers in those days. If the horn played a certain melody, then it mean't to stop the attack, or it mean't to surrender. These trumpets are only symbolic. It means that God is saying “Attack”, and his angels are doing the work for him.Quote Trumpets lead up to the 7th trumpet return of Christ and the resurrection
YesQuote The vials of wrath concern the beasts kingdom and its worshippers which according to Rev.ch 13 encompasses most all of the world's people at the end. Rev. 13:8
The leader of this end time beast causes …ALL …both small or great, rich or poor, free or slave to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. This means that the WHOLE WORLD has been decieved by this end time beast's system. He's got them. Too late to turn around now, they already ALL received the mark. All who are receiving the mark is the whole world. The nations which go against the beast still have the mark and still receive the vials, which are the same as the trumpets. They have already been initiated, whether they like it or not.Quote The punishers of the disobedient of the churches in Rev.ch 9 are firstly the beast worshipping religious, but the 200 million army of the 6th trumpet is of the ten kings of Rev.ch 17:16. No it's all the armies combined. The 4 angels that were bound in the euphrates river and let out, are PREPARING MEN TO WAR. They are stirring trouble.
Quote and is not the Gog Magog army of Ez.
This I agree.Res, if you are not proud, and would like to understand better, then we can teach you. I can put more effort into explaining things. Everything I say can be backed up with scripture. I'm just so tired of all this, and soon time for me to leave this site.
No one here has ever accepted anything I say. Everything is rejected. I am confident and stand by what I teach. I have made a few errors here and there, but God always corrects me straight away. I have to go by and correct something I said earlier about Christ being in the sky at the 6th trumpet. I was wrong. It's the 7th trumpet when he comes. I've always known this, but somehow thought I saw something new when I didn't. My mistake. I hate that. Sorry .
Take care.
Sorry, but you have little idea of events and you have no idea whatever of the trumpets.You are all mixed up, and certainly not able to teach.
Res.
Resting.There are 7 trumpets and they are numbered
one to seven; and I am sure that God can count.
And it also says, that the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet.wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res.
Resting.Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn?
wakeup.
Resting,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey 42. Just do not make yourself into the great teacher. Be a pupil under Christ like everyone else.
The holy spirit is our teacher. He will guide us to all truth. The truth is in the scriptures.
If God uses his servants to guide you to those scriptures, because you missed something, then it doesn't matter who told you, but it is God working in all.1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
You came on here not to discuss, but to attack. Your intentions were obvious from the beginning. It takes time for me to explain things and I am a very tired person lately. If you don't agree, then that's fine, but please don't use spite as your weapon.
Resting,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Trumpets are given in symbols of the OT. I can give you a sample of the way to interpret them.
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.A great Kingdom under judgment from Heaven is cast into the nations and the church is slain.
This church along with its missions among the nations are destroyed and many forsake the faith.
This is strange talk?
Very confusing. Did you get that out of a book, or from a church doctrine? Because it doesn't sound like how someone would answer.
When the trumpets start blowing, and God pours out his wrath, he will smith THE EARTH first, then when that has settled, they will be hit with another plague, THE SEA. God is going to contaminate it. And then the next plague he will contaminate the drinking waters, then the next plague, all leading up to the 7th trumpet.Not everything is in code. He is telling us the way it is going to happen. It will happen exactly as it is foretold.
Journey,
If the holy spirit has led you and Wakeup and Devo ALONE into all truth and no-one else, then did the Holy Spirit also lead you to believe that there is no need for water baptism, and no need to obey God's commandments and that they were nailed to the cross. You did say that didn't you? (And that is only a couple of things). Despite all of the scriptures that were shown to you to show you as wrong, you still seem to think that you are the highest authority on teaching the things that you teach.
It takes us a long time to do posts as well. Well, at least it used to take me a long time until I gave up because it became pretty clear to me through the behavior of Wakeup and Devo and then finally you, that you did not have those fruits of the spirit which we were to look for, and that is exactly what Jesus warned us to do.
If you could only see that maybe you have some things wrong rather than being so angry (Wakeup and Devo) towards others, including most of the Christian world it seems, and if only you would look at scriptures honestly, then we could all have a decent discussion, and really study, which is the only reason I came on this site to begin with. I had np plans of going into theological discussions in the other part.
Now all it seems is that Wakeup is full of spite, and Devo was, and you are upset because nobody is following your teachings, and even you admit that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. well did you miss the verse that says that we have no need for a teacher?
One thing that I know now is that people will use nice sounding words to get followers, just as the scriptures say.
If you really want to study, then study. Where you got your ideas from I do not know. But i do know that any scriptures shown to you which say the opposite or prove you wrong, you will not see them.
The only reason why I am saying this is because I would like to discuss scriptures!
And I'm sure that you would too Journey. True?
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,13:02) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res.
Resting.Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn?
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Quote Journey, If the holy spirit has led you and Wakeup and Devo ALONE into all truth and no-one else, then did the Holy Spirit also lead you to believe that there is no need for water baptism,
Yes, the holy spirit did reveal this.Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Can you 2Besse?Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
HE SHALL BAPTISE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND WITH FIRE, NOT WATER.
CHRIST HIMSELF WILL BAPTISE US.
NOT MAN.
THIS IS THE BAPTISM WE SHOULD SEEK AND ARE BAPTISED WITH.
ARE YOU WILLING TO GO ALL THE WAY?
CAN YOU DRINK OF THE SAME CUP?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?
CHRIST KNOWS WHO BELONGS TO HIM FROM THE BEGINNING.
HE SEES BEFOREHAND HOW FAR WE ARE WILLING TO GO FOR HIM.
SO YOU SEE WE ARE BAPTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT,
SO WHY DO WE NEED WATER?.
SO THINK FIRST BEFORE YOU JUDGE THIS MATTER.Journey, we have been through this before.
1st Peter,18-22
“For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.”And they wrote through the Holy Spirit. And that is only one verse. I have shown you many other scriptures.
I have shown you writings from the earliest church, and how dangerous and evil they believed the denial of water baptism was, and you have ignored them all.
Here's some more:“I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit”
Mark 16:16
'He that believes and is baptized shall be saved'Acts.19:1-6,
While Apol'los was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples.
And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”
And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied'.Acts 2:38-41
“And Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children *and to all that are far off*, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.”
And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.Acts 10:44-48
While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
“Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.Yet you say that the Holy Spirit revealed to you that it is not needed??
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