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Wakeup,
Yes they come against the same area but the Ez. 38-39 event is at the beginnig of the thousand years and Rev.20 is at the end .
Unless you have them of Israel burying the bones and picking up weapons to burn for 7 years after the event to clean the land after the thousand years and there are many nations witnessing this at the time, which can never be in Rev.20.
Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Eze 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Eze 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.Res
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,00:39) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 25 2013,22:20) Hi Resting. Quote Ok, The reference to Gog and Magog in Rev.ch 20 is not the reference to Gog and Magog in Ez.38-39.
Ok, what factor do you think makes them unrelated?Quote The reason is that the Gog and Magog of Rev. 20 is speaking of the same kind of people as in EZ.38-39.
What do you mean same kind of people?Quote Ez.38-39 events refer to the beginning of the thousand years.
This I agree, but I don't know when you believe that the thousand years starts?
How does this work?The words God and Magog are the only things the same in the description.
This below is nothing like Ez.38-39.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.Satan has never been imprisoned yet, so the thousand years has not begun.
There are many others verses in Rev. using Ot types to give us understanding of post cross events.
Gog and Magog is only one of them.
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Welcome Resting.
Quote Satan has never been imprisoned yet, so the thousand years has not begun. Google 'Amillenialism”.
The A mill view requires that we are in the time of the millennium now.
I do not accept that satan is bound in a pit, nations no longer learn war, and the spirit of the Lord covers the earth like waters of the sea or that his name is the only one in the world offering salvation. (other than Christs name offers no salvation)
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Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,11:00) The A mill view requires that we are in the time of the millennium now. I do not accept that satan is bound in a pit, nations no longer learn war, and the spirit of the Lord covers the earth like waters of the sea or that his name is the only one in the world offering salvation. (other than Christs name offers no salvation)
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What does bound in a pit mean to you? Is the book of revelation not symbolically written?If Satan is bound (limited in power) then don't you think it likely that that is how the knowledge of the true God covered the whole earth when the earth previously did not know the true God?
Satan will be let lose, again. I believe that we have entered that time, possibly now.
Have you ever looked into Amillenialism? It makes perfect sense to me.
Satan has not beem limited in my view.
He has been overpowered by the gospel when people believe.
Satan is still destroying the lives of people, and is still working in many churches.
Look around.
Res.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,09:19) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,11:00) The A mill view requires that we are in the time of the millennium now. I do not accept that satan is bound in a pit, nations no longer learn war, and the spirit of the Lord covers the earth like waters of the sea or that his name is the only one in the world offering salvation. (other than Christs name offers no salvation)
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What does bound in a pit mean to you? Is the book of revelation not symbolically written?If Satan is bound (limited in power) then don't you think it likely that that is how the knowledge of the true God covered the whole earth when the earth previously did not know the true God?
Satan will be let lose, again. I believe that we have entered that time, possibly now.
Have you ever looked into Amillenialism? It makes perfect sense to me.
2BesseIt makes sense to you because you are still holding on to that plastic ball. A man made plastic ball. Hold on to some pearls and diamonds instead. These treasures come from God.
Hi Resting
Quote The words God and Magog are the only things the same in the description.
That's our big clue resting. The old testament is full of prophesies. Revelation reveals. Without revelations we would not understand Ezekiel, and without Ezekiel we would not understand Rev.Quote This below is nothing like Ez.38-39. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This is in short. Does not contain all the details, just the main points. This is why God wants us to “search” the scriptures. Seek and ye shall find.Quote Satan has never been imprisoned yet, so the thousand years has not begun.
Halleluliah, we agree.Quote There are many others verses in Rev. using Ot types to give us understanding of post cross events. Gog and Magog is only one of them.
So, what do you make of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel then. Past or future?Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years.
Some things are very obvious.
However when you understand trumpets and who is being judged by them then you may be very upset depening on where you stand.
It is not right to overlay trumpets on the vials.
Thet are nseparate events at different times.
Christ returns at the seventh trumpet for the one time only of the resurrection and it is only then after a sort time that the vials begin.
LA
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,12:23) Satan has not beem limited in my view. He has been overpowered by the gospel when people believe.
Satan is still destroying the lives of people, and is still working in many churches.
Look around.
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Resting,
Okay.
You believe that Satan has not been bound yet.
You also rightly say that evil exists, just look around.I believe that Satan has been bound since the cross, but has been let lose to deceive the whole world one last time, so yes, if you can see it and feel it (the deception) then that is good, because it is a “deception” and when people are being deceived they do not know that they are being deceived.
As for evil existing and us seeing evil existing in our lifetime, then yes, evil has always existed. But look what James says as one example:[9] Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation,
[10] and the rich in his humiliation, because like the flower of the grass he will pass away.
[11] For the sun rises with its scorching heat and withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. So will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits.
[12] Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him.
[13] Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one;
[14] but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
[15] Then, desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.
[16] Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.Come on people, wake up. How on earth could the good news of the coming kingdom of God be preached in all of the world if Satan had been in full power all of that time??
Death had to be destroyed first and he that had the power over death.
Jesus said:'How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.' Matthew 12:29.
The strong man (The Devil) was bound.
This is explained here:“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. Hebrews 2:14.
That verse matches this one:
Rev.20:1-3.
“Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain.
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.And I believe that we are up to Revelations 20:7.
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,13:55) Quote Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years. Res
Like I said, you are not alone with that interpretation. The whole christian world believes this.
I have laid my cards on the table giving reasons why they are not the same battle. No point in doing it again. Now it's up to you to give proof to back your claim.Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,10:23) Satan has not beem limited in my view. He has been overpowered by the gospel when people believe.
Satan is still destroying the lives of people, and is still working in many churches.
Look around.
Res.
ResThis is a good answer.
Resting,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Some things are very obvious. However when you understand trumpets and who is being judged by them then you may be very upset depening on where you stand.
It is not right to overlay trumpets on the vials.
Thet are nseparate events at different times.
Christ returns at the seventh trumpet for the one time only of the resurrection and it is only then after a sort time that the vials begin.
Hi Resting
JUST BEFORE THE TRUMPETS
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:3 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets (THE TRUMPETS HERE ARE SYMBOLS. WHEN A TRUMPET BLOWS BEFORE A WAR, IT MEANS ATTACK NOW. WHICH IS WHY GOD IS COMMANDING THE ANGEL TO BLOW THE TRUMPET. JUST TO LET US KNOW THAT HIS WRATH IS STARTING. THE WORLD WON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY)Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angels hand. (THIS IS WHEN GOD WILL AVENGE THE SAINTS. THEIR PRAYERS ANSWERED NOW. THIS DAY IT STARTS)
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.JUST BEFORE THE VIALS
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. (A VIAL HOLDS LIQUID. IT IS SYMBOLISING THAT GOD IS GOING TO POUR OUT HIS WRATH, THE FIRST TRUMPET BLOWS, THE FIRST VIAL POURED, THE SECOND TRUMPET BLOWS, THE SECOND VIAL POURED,….ETC, ETC UNTIL THE LAST TRUMPET AND VIAL)Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture (STRAIGHT, NOT WATERED DOWN) into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:I'll continue this later, just read this for now. Then we can compare the trumpets to the vials, and you will see a pattern.
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,07:45) Wakeup, Yes they come against the same area but the Ez. 38-39 event is at the beginnig of the thousand years and Rev.20 is at the end .
Unless you have them of Israel burying the bones and picking up weapons to burn for 7 years after the event to clean the land after the thousand years and there are many nations witnessing this at the time, which can never be in Rev.20.
Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Eze 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Eze 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.Res
Resting.Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them ***THAT ARE AT REST***, **THAT DWELL SAFELY**, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
THESE ARE THEM THAT ARE AT REST.
THE 1000YR REST IS NOT YET,THEREFORE THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE.THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS.REV,20:9.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,09:19) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,11:00) The A mill view requires that we are in the time of the millennium now. I do not accept that satan is bound in a pit, nations no longer learn war, and the spirit of the Lord covers the earth like waters of the sea or that his name is the only one in the world offering salvation. (other than Christs name offers no salvation)
Res.
What does bound in a pit mean to you? Is the book of revelation not symbolically written?If Satan is bound (limited in power) then don't you think it likely that that is how the knowledge of the true God covered the whole earth when the earth previously did not know the true God?
Satan will be let lose, again. I believe that we have entered that time, possibly now.
Have you ever looked into Amillenialism? It makes perfect sense to me.
2Besee.Put in prison to you and friends means limited in power.
Its not hard to twist the scriptures to please your doctrine.The fact is that there is no difference between the two;(limited in power and not).If we look at what is happening in the world then, and now,we can not tell the difference.
Spin and more spin.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2013,00:32) Resting. Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them ***THAT ARE AT REST***, **THAT DWELL SAFELY**, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
THESE ARE THEM THAT ARE AT REST.
THE 1000YR REST IS NOT YET,THEREFORE THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE.THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS.REV,20:9.
wakeup.
Wakeup you have not entered the rest? Well, I guess again that you are ignoring scriptures.
Such as these.
Hebrews 4:1-16
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” …Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Quote Its not hard to twist the scriptures to please your doctrine. Same to you and Journey and Devo.
Hi 2Besee,
Good to you! Glad to hear
you are getting the message!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,22:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2013,00:32) Resting. Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them ***THAT ARE AT REST***, **THAT DWELL SAFELY**, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
THESE ARE THEM THAT ARE AT REST.
THE 1000YR REST IS NOT YET,THEREFORE THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE.THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS.REV,20:9.
wakeup.
Wakeup you have not entered the rest? Well, I guess again that you are ignoring scriptures.
Such as these.
Hebrews 4:1-16
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” …Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Quote Its not hard to twist the scriptures to please your doctrine. Same to you and Journey and Devo.
2Besee.You have confused the two; rest and peace.
Jesus said; they will persecute you as they have persecuted me.There is no rest in this world,we still have our problems.
But the peace inside we have,despite of all our problems.Paul went through great problems.(not rest).
But despite all; he has peace in the Lord. You need to decern the scriptures,so far you have failed to do that.The rest will only come on the 7th day,a one day rest.
The 7th day is coming,and israel will have a 1000yr rest,in the kingdom, called the camp of the saints(israel). And the resurrected saints will inherit the kingdom of heaven.
The world has always rejected knowledge,and it appears that your spirit can not connect with the truth.
You have no spiritual connection with the truth.wakeup.
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