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J42

I have changed my mind and will stop posting in this topic ,we are in to much difference in our understanding and it is better to leave it alone for now ,:)

March 19, 2013 at 2:04 am#338679

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 19 2013,12:11)

J42

I have changed my mind and will stop posting in this topic ,we are in to much difference in our understanding and it is better to leave it alone for now ,:)

Hi Pierre,

I wasn't finished with this post. I have been held up lately.
It is so long, because God has given us so many scriptures concerning the battle of Gog and Magog.

I have put a lot of effort into this, and I will finish it. If you don't want to read it, then that's your choice, but I must finish what I started in case the others are reading.

March 19, 2013 at 3:50 am#338695

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Jeremiah 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of ISRAEL,…. and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace int he wilderness; even Israel, when I to cause him to rest.
Jeremiah 31:3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with loving-kindness have I drawn thee.
Jeremiah 31:4 Again, I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought.

Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages (CAMP OF THE SAINTS); I will go to them that are at rest (ISRAELITES IN THE FLESH, Ezekiel 37), that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates (BECAUSE THE LAMB AND THE SAINTS ARE THEIR PROTECTION)

Ezekiel 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited (THE KINGDOM COVERS A LARGE AREA NOW – 2240KM2. FORMER DESSERTS AND RUINS ALL INHABITED NOW, BELONG TO THE KINGDOM), and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations (ISRAEL WERE SCATTERED FROM ALL OVER THE EARTH, MIXED ALSO, DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM), which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS, SITUATED IN ISRAEL, RULED BY CHRIST AND THE SAINTS OVER ISRAEL BROUGHT BACK IN THE FLESH, HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED NOW. IT IS NOW LIKE THE GARDEN OF EDEN. THIS PLACE IS BOUNTIFUL WITH CATTLE AND FOOD, AND ALL THE PRECIOUS STONES, GOLD ETC, OF THE WORLD ARE HERE, BECAUSE THE LORD MADE IT THIS WAY.

Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil.

Ezekiel 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? (GOD IS SPEAKING TO SATAN, WHO IS DRIVING GOG. SATAN HAS BEEN LOCKED UP FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, SO HE HAS MISSED OUT ON ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED WHILST HE WAS IN PRISON)

Ezekiel 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army. (IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG FOR SATAN TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS PEACEFUL PLACE, BECAUSE HE IS SPIRIT, AND WHEN HE DOES, HE STARTS ROUNDING UP HIS MEN, AND HE USES GOG TO DO IT)

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel (THERE IT IS AGAIN, THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS IS IN ISRAEL. NOT SPIRITUAL ISRAEL, THEY ARE ALL SPIRIT NOW, BUT PHYSICAL ISRAEL WHO IS NOW FEEDING OFF THE LAMB. FLESH AND BLOOD ISRAEL), as a cloud to cover the land (THE ARMY IS BIG), it shall be in the latter days,(AFTER THE MILLENIUM) and I will bring thee against my land (GOD'S DOING. HE CALLS ISRAEL HIS LAND, BECAUSE THAT'S HIS PURPOSE FOR HIS SON TO RULE THERE AND BRING ISRAEL BACK TO GOD), that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in three, O Gog, before their eyes. (GOD IS USING GOG, TO MANIFEST HIMSELF WHEN HE DESTROYS HIM)

Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, (YES, IN EZEKIEL CH 38 & 39, AND IN REV 20:8 & 9) which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? (YES, SOME KNEW, ….BUT MANY CHRISTIANS DIDN'T HEAR THOSE PROPHETS, SO THEY ARE NOT WITNESSES TO THIS TRUTH)

Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. (AS SOON AS GOG SURROUNDS THE CAMP TO ATTACK, THAT'S HIS END. HE DOESN'T SUCCEED WITH HIS PLAN, NOT LIKE THE FALSE PROPHET A 1000 YEARS BEFORE WHO BEHEADED THE SAINTS, WENT INTO ISRAEL AND KILLED, KILLED, KILLED. THIS ONE'S DIFFERENT,)

Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel. (THREAT OF ATTACK)

Ezekiel 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED FOR A 1000 YEARS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG MIGHTY DAY, WHEN GOD DISPLAYS HIS WRATH. GOD NOT CHRIST. SOMETHING ELSE IS HAPPENING HERE ALSO. IF EVERY WALL FALLS TO THE GROUND, WHAT ABOUT THE GOOD PEOPLE LEFT?, NOT ALL HAVE FOLLOWED GOG. THEIR DWELLING PLACES ARE GONE. THEY WOULD BE HOMELESS NOW, THEY NEED MATERIAL HOMES STILL, OR ARE THESE ONES WHO REFUSED GOG INVITED TO COME INTO THE KINGDOM TO LIVE FOR A WHILE – 7 YRS)

Ezekiel 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD; every man's sword shall be against his brother. (GOD TURNS THEM ALL AGAINST EACH OTHER, SO THEIR ARMY IS DIVIDED, THUS WEAKENED)

Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood, and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire and brimstone. (GOD WILL TORMENT THEM A LITTLE FIRST, TO SHOW HIS POWER, NOT ONLY TO THEM, BUT ALL WATCHING.)

Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD. (A THOUSAND YEARS IS A LONG TIME. THIS SHOWS THAT EVEN THOUGH SATAN WAS LOCKED UP, AND THE TRUTH SPREAD, COMING OUT OF ISRAEL, THAT THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO EVIL. SATAN IS RELEASED FROM PRISON SO THAT THE
SE PEOPLE CAN BE MANIFESTED, AND GOD LEADS ALL OF THEM …AGAIN…TO THE ONE PLACE TO BE DESTROYED TOGETHER.

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March 19, 2013 at 6:26 am#338709

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Ezekiel 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus says the Lord GOGD; Behold, I am against thee, O, Gog, the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal (FUTURE NEW NATIONS)

Ezekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel. (THE FULL ARMY DID NOT GO ALL THE WAY WITH GOG. THEY TURNED AGAINST EACH OTHER. EZEK 38:21 – EVERY MAN'S SWORD SHALL BE AGAINST HIS BROTHER. THEY ARE DIVIDED. BUT THE ARMY IS STILL BIG.

Ezekiel 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. (YOUR WEAPONS ARE USELESS)

Ezekiel 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. (THIS HAPPENED IN THE FIRST BATTLE ALSO, A LOT OF DEAD BODIES. BUT THESE ARE DEAD BODIES OF THE WICKED, NOT GOOD)
Ezekiel 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, (REV 20:9 – AND FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN AND DEVOURED THEM) and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: (THE REST OF THE WICKED) and they shall know that I am the LORD.

IN THE FIRST BATTLE A THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE, BABYLON WAS DESTROYED BY A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, AND IT RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. THIS WAS THE LAMBS DOING. GOD GAVE HIS SON THE PRIVILEGE OF JUDGEMENT. THAT WAS THE LAMB'S DAY.

THIS NEXT VERSE IS THE TRICKY PART. GOD WILL ALWAYS SLIP IN SOMETHING CONCERNING ANOTHER TIME, AND THESE TWO VERSES ARE REFERRING BACK TO WHEN CHRIST CONQUERED. THIS IS TO TRIP YOU UP, FOR IF YOU ARE NOT SINCERE, AND SEARCHING AND PUTTING THE PIECES TOGETHER, THEN YOU WILL JUST SAY, THIS WHOLE EZEKIEL CHAPTER IS REFERRING TO BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM. AND IT WILL NOT BE REVEALED TO YOU.

Ezekiel 39:7 So will i make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; (WHEN CHRIST CONQUERED AT HIS SECOND COMING AND DESTROYED BABYLON THE GREAT, HE GATHERED ISRAEL FROM THE WHOLE EARTH. THEY CAME WITH WEEPING AND TEARS, WAR TORN, AND NOT ONLY THEM BUT GOD RAISED THE DEAD ISRAELITES FROM THEIR GRAVES, AND TURNED THEM INTO FLESH, NOT SPIRIT. THIS IS THAT GRACE HE SPOKE OF CONCERNING ISRAEL. HE IS DRAWING THEM BACK NOW, AND THEY CAN ONLY COME TO HIM THROUGH THE LAMB. AS SOON AS THEY WERE RESCUED, THEY KNEW, AND WERE TAUGHT WHO GOD WAS.) and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: (ISRAEL STOPPED POLLUTING GOD'S HOLY NAME WHEN RESCUED. NONE OF THEM POLLUTED HIS NAME DURING THE MILLENIUM, BECAUSE GOD SAID THAT DURING THE MILLENNIUM, HE WILL NOT LOOSE ONE OF THEM.) and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. (THE HEATHEN SAW GOD'S POWER AT CHRIST'S COMING, THEY WITNESSED IT. BUT A THOUSAND YEARS IS A LONG TIME, AND AS TIME GOES BY, GENERATIONS BECOME SLACK, WITNESSES DEAD, AND HISTORY BECOMES TALES TO THEM)

Ezekiel 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken. (REV 16:17 – IT IS DONE. CHRIST DESTROYED BABYLON.)

NOW BACK TO AFTER THE MILLENIUM

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel (THE KINGDOM IS SO LARGE, THAT THERE ARE CITIES THERE. DON'T FORGET THE SAINTS SHALL RULE AS KINGS AND PRIESTS WITH CHRIST, SO THERE MUST BE DESIGNATED AREA'S WITH THEIR KINGS OVER THEM. shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, and bows and the arrows, and the hand staffs, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years. (SEVEN YEARS IT WILL TAKE TO BURN THE WEAPONS. THIS CANNOT BE THE FIRST WAR?)

Ezekiel 39:10 So that, they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God. (THEY DON'T NEED WOOD BECAUSE THOSE WEAPONS ARE MADE OUT OF WOOD!. WHEN BABYLON WAS DESTROYED 1000 YRS BEFORE, ALL HER FACTORIES WERE DESTROYED ALSO. THEY WENT BACK TO BASICS)

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel (THIS IS GOG. NOT SATAN, HE WAS LOCKED UP, … NOT THE FALSE PROPHET WHO WAS THROWN ALIVE INTO THE BURNING LAKE OF FIRE, BUT THIS MAN GOG WAS BURIED. CAN YOU SEE NOW?), the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it [SIZE=5]The valley of Hamon-gog. (GOG AND HIS MULTITUDES ARE BURIED IN THE VALLEY OF HAMON GOG. THE FALSE PROPHET 1000 YRS BEFORE WAS THROWN ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE, AND HIS ARMIES BURIED IN THE VALLEY OF HENOM OR ALSO KNOWN AS TOPHET. TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.)

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. THIS IS FLESH BURYING FLESH. SPIRIT DOESN'T NEED TO BURY FLESH. SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THIS TIME PERIOD. ALL GOG'S ARMIES, AND THE WICKED KILLED BY GOD HIMSELF. WE HAVE A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD WHERE THEY ARE BURNING THE WEAPONS. WE HAVE SEVEN MONTHS WHERE THEY ARE BURYING DEAD BODIES. THOSE DEAD STILL HAVE JUDGEMENT DAY TO GO, WHERE THEY STAND BEFORE THE LORD AND GIVE ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING. THAT DAY WHEN THEY TREMBLE WITH FEAR AND DROP TO THEIR KNEES AND BEG FOR MERCY. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE 7 YEARS HERE, SO SOMETHING ELSE HAS HAPPENED HERE.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them, and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be gloried, saith the Lord GOD. (YES, NO MORE WICKED MEN LEFT ON THIS EARTH)

Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog.

Ezekiel 39:16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

FINISHED.
ALL WELCOME TO COMMENT OR ASK QUESTIONS.

March 20, 2013 at 10:21 am#338847

Wakeup

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Thank you Journey 42.

I am reading,because those words does touch my soul.
They have great effect on me,but not the world.

wakeup.

March 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm#338860

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 20 2013,21:21)

Thank you Journey 42.

I am reading,because those words does touch my soul.
They have great effect on me,but not the world.

wakeup.

Thank you Wakeup.

I hear you.

March 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm#339108

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Pierre

These scriptures took me so long to type out and interpret for you. It is such a shame that you do not care for these, nor anyone else. You cannot see two different battles here. Two different time frames.

You refuse to see the first battle where they gather at Armageddon
You refuse to see the false prophet is leading them,
you refuse to see that Christ comes, and destroys the false prophet and the beast,
and locks Satan up FOR A THOUSAND YEARS,
You refuse to see that the saints will reign with Christ for a thousand years
You refuse to see that there is a people living there at peace, and it's in Israel.
You refuse to see that after the thousand years Satan will be released from prison
You refuse to see that God starts talking about GOG AND MAGOG after the thousand years in Rev,
and surrounds the camp of the saints,
AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS HAS EXPIRED,
Even Gog is burried in a grave, in the valley of Hamon-Gog
and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire and the armies buried at Valley of Hinnom (Tophet) Two different deaths, two different places, two different time frames, two different wars.

yet you get it mixed up with the first battle, because you must have pages missing from your bible
and I have shown you here in DETAIL where God gives us so much information on GOG AND MAGOG who come AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS, and then you tell me you are not going to comment!

Well I said I don't care, but deep down inside I do, for you are missing out on so much knowledge that is given to us all freely.

GOD DOES NOT HOLD BACK THE TRUTH FROM US IF WE ARE ON THE RIGHT FOUNDATION.

IF THIS HAS NOT BEEN REVEALED TO ANYBODY, THEN THEY SHOULD RE-CHECK THEIR FOUNDATION.

FEEDING ON OTHER FLESH WILL DESTROY THIS FOUNDATION. YOU CANNOT GET THIS TRUTH FROM INTERNET SITES, OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS, DOCTRINES, OR EVEN FROM ME. ONLY GOD CAN SHOW YOU, AND I JUST TELL YOU WHERE TO LOOK, BECAUSE I BACK THE TRUTH.

IF THE PROPHETS WERE HERE TODAY AND YOU WERE IGNORING THEM, THEN THEY WOULD BE UPSET TOO.
BUT GOD'S WORD LIVES ON THROUGH THEM, AND IS STILL AS ALIVE TODAY AS IT WAS BACK THEN. IN FACT IT IS FOR US TODAY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT FOR THEM BACK THEN IT WAS NOT FOR THEIR UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IT CONCERNS OUR TIME, AND I CAN'T WAIT.

March 24, 2013 at 11:06 pm#339345

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Hi,
I am new here.

I enjoy the topic, but I could say a few things different to what journey has said, but in view of your last post to pierre, why would I risk being spoken to in the same way?

Can you give me a reason that I should??

Resting.

March 24, 2013 at 11:42 pm#339346

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Quote (Resting @ Mar. 25 2013,05:06)

Hi,
I am new here.

I enjoy the topic, but I could say a few things different to what journey has said, but in view of your last post to pierre, why would I risk being spoken to in the same way?

Can you give me a reason that I should??

Resting.

HI resting

and welcome to HN ,I hope you find what you looking for ,and if you want to share your understanding ,just go ahead ,just show scriptures ,

but do not look always the way others present their own and personal view and composition of some of the scriptures that they believe to be connected ,and so forget God's plan

March 24, 2013 at 11:44 pm#339348

abe

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Quote (Resting @ Mar. 24 2013,15:06)

Hi,
I am new here.

I enjoy the topic, but I could say a few things different to what journey has said, but in view of your last post to pierre, why would I risk being spoken to in the same way?

Can you give me a reason that I should??

Resting.

Hi Resting,

Welcome to Heaven Net.

Post all you would like.

Peace.

March 25, 2013 at 12:20 am#339359

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Hi
I am new here.

I enjoy the topic, but I could say a few things different to what journey has said, but in view of your last post to pierre, why would I risk being spoken to in the same way?

Can you give me a reason that I should??

Resting.

Pierre has ruffled my feathers in another thread. I have been here for a while and therefore know what Pierre refuses to see.
Are you interested in the truth?
Then you should have nothing to fear. Especially me.

This post took me a long time to share to Pierre. Once again, my cards are all laid out on the table, and he's held his back. These scriptures are proof, and once again, no feedback. We made an agreement that I would do this and explain. Do you know how long it took me? Almost a week. And what do I get for my efforts?

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J42

I have changed my mind and will stop posting in this topic ,we are in to much difference in our understanding and it is better to leave it alone for now ,:)

I'm not here to tickle any ones ears. No matter how upset I get, these guys here are my brothers, and I love them and try to snap them out of their slumber.

Don't fear men, fear God, so speak up. If you have something to say, I won't bite your head off. This subject is about the truth, not about me.

March 25, 2013 at 12:37 am#339367

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J42

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This subject is about the truth, not about me.

it does not matter the times it takes as Christians we are on a shift 24/7 no measure to godly love

March 25, 2013 at 1:32 am#339374

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2013,11:37)

J42

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This subject is about the truth, not about me.

it does not matter the times it takes as Christians we are on a shift 24/7 no measure to godly love

Pierre,

Yes correct, but when things take a long time on here, like looking up scriptures, typing, interpreting, explaining, etc, we neglect our children, husband, housework, business, you name it. They take a backseat so this truth can be brought to you. If it falls on deaf ears, then it is a waste of my time. If someone gets something out of it, then it is all worth it, but how do I know? I have a lot more to post about this subject, but because of lack of response I hold back.

March 25, 2013 at 3:36 am#339393

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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 25 2013,07:32)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2013,11:37)

J42

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This subject is about the truth, not about me.

it does not matter the times it takes as Christians we are on a shift 24/7 no measure to godly love

Pierre,

J42

Who says it falls on dead ears ,you do,I have read your comments but do not agree with it based on my understanding of God s word,

And one more thing many other are reading your quotes ,and may or may not agree with it,

What make you so sure that what you understand his pure truth

Tell me

March 25, 2013 at 4:59 am#339414

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Ok,

The reference to Gog and Magog in Rev.ch 20 is not the reference to Gog and Magog in Ez.38-39.

The reason is that the Gog and Magog of Rev. 20 is speaking of the same kind of people as in EZ.38-39.

Ez.38-39 events refer to the beginning of the thousand years.

what do you think about that?

Res.

March 25, 2013 at 11:20 am#339464

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Hi Resting.

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Ok,

The reference to Gog and Magog in Rev.ch 20 is not the reference to Gog and Magog in Ez.38-39.

Ok, what factor do you think makes them unrelated?

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The reason is that the Gog and Magog of Rev. 20 is speaking of the same kind of people as in EZ.38-39.

What do you mean same kind of people?

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Ez.38-39 events refer to the beginning of the thousand years.

This I agree, but I don't know when you believe that the thousand years starts?

March 25, 2013 at 11:29 am#339466

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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 25 2013,22:20)

Hi Resting.

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Ok,

The reference to Gog and Magog in Rev.ch 20 is not the reference to Gog and Magog in Ez.38-39.

Ok, what factor do you think makes them unrelated?

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The reason is that the Gog and Magog of Rev. 20 is speaking of the same kind of people as in EZ.38-39.

What do you mean same kind of people?

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Ez.38-39 events refer to the beginning of the thousand years.

This I agree, but I don't know when you believe that the thousand years starts?

March 25, 2013 at 11:39 am#339468