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Quote Journey, What does this verse mean to you?
Jesus told him, “I tell you with certainty, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
2Besse,
Was Christ dead for 3 days or not?
If so, then how could even Christ be in paradise that same day?
Did Christ really die?
or have we been told a big fat lie?or is paradise hell, the grave?
If you can answer these questions, then you will see where I am coming from when I give you my answer.
Quote Clarke's Commentary on the Bible To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise – Marcion and the Manichees are reported to have left this verse out of their copies of this evangelist. This saying of our Lord is justly considered as a strong proof of the immateriality of the soul; and it is no wonder that those who have embraced the contrary opinion should endeavor to explain away this meaning. In order to do this, a comma is placed after σημερον, to-day, and then our Lord is supposed to have meant, “Thou shalt be with me after the resurrection I tell thee this, To-Day.” I am sorry to find men of great learning and abilities attempting to support this most feeble and worthless criticism. Such support a good cause cannot need; and, in my opinion, even a bad cause must be discredited by it.
Inadmissible. Man's words. This should not be in any bible. God would not be happy with that.
2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote And also Journey, What does this verse mean to you?
'And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.'
Matthew 24:14.2Besse
It means exactly what it says.
My bible says as a WITNESS.
NOTE: “this gospel”
The message of the gospel is the basics. So simple. Jesus Christ is the son of God. Only through him can we get to God, and no other name. Christ died and was risen three days later and the scriptures record witnesses of this event.The gospel also says that we are entitled to an inheritance no matter what race we are. If we believe in Christ and obey him by feeding on his flesh, for he is the Word of God, and understand the words he speaks is God speaking through him, then we can claim that inheritance on Christ's return. If we reject, then we will be like Esau who sold his birthright for a bowl of soup.
Rejecting does not just mean rejecting Christ who he is and what he did, but is for christians also who claim to worship Christ but don't heed his words, and feed on strange flesh (other peoples words) If you do this they will lead you astray, and we were warned.
So everyone gets a chance to hear of the name of Christ. When God decides that all have had this opportunity and his name has spread throughout the whole earth, then the end will come. The end of this age. A new era will follow when Christ returns and this is called the 1st Dominion, where Christ will have dominion and authority over all the nations of the world for a thousand years. (the second dominion is after the thousand years, when Christ hands back the kingdom to God, for his job is finished) He will still be with the Father forever and hold high position, but the Father is still no. 1. and Christ always told us this.
Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2013,14:31) If we believe in Christ and obey him by feeding on his flesh, for he is the Word of God, and understand the words he speaks is God speaking through him, then we can claim that inheritance on Christ's return.
Hi Journey42,Wouldn't that mean the “Sprint” is the word of God rather than Jesus' flesh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ April 20 2013,10:28) Wakeup, So according to you, most of us are not saved yet, and Jesus did not mean what He said.
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.
Jesus was raised as a spirit being only, and he did not mean what he said (that “a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have”)
The Jews in a future millennium will be brought back in the flesh to Israel and will be taught by some Christians who are spirit only.
In this millennium, people will die as usual, and there will be separating walls.
Do I have that right, is that what you believe?
2Besee.QUOTE:
So according to you, most of us are not saved yet, and Jesus did not mean what He said.UNQUOTE:AS YOU HAVE READ JER.25. THE SHEPHERDS ARE ALL TO BE PUNISHED. THIS MEANS THAT THE SHEEP HAVE BEEN LED ASTRAY,BY THOSE SHEPHERDS.
JESUS SAID THAT MANY ARE CALLED BUT A FEW CHOSEN.
BUT THE SHEEP WILL NOT ALL BE LOST,BECAUSE OF THE WITNESSING. THEY HAVE A CHANCE AFTER THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE CLEAN.
(fire=tribulation).QUOTE:
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.UNQUOTE:SOME THAT ARE NOT BABTISED WITH WATER FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT LOST, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BABTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THEM ALSO MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE.
THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE HAS BEEN MISCONCEIVED.
ONE IS BORN OF WATER AT BIRTH,AND BORN *AGAIN*
IN THE RESURRECTION. FIRST BIRTH IS FLESH,AND SECOND BIRTH IS SPIRIT.QUOTE:
Jesus was raised as a spirit being only, and he did not mean what he said (that “a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have”)UNQUOTE:JESUS ALSO WAS MADE SPIRIT,BUT TO BE VISIBLE TO THEM,HE APPEARED IN THE FLESH. THEY THOUGHT HE WAS A SPIRIT. HE SIMPLY MATERIALISE TO SHOW HIMSELF TO THE HUMAN EYES.
QUOTE:
The Jews in a future millennium will be brought back in the flesh to Israel and will be taught by some Christians who are spirit only.UNQUOTE:THE JEWS OF EVERY GENERATION CHOSEN BY CHOICE,
WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIVE AND BE THE POPULATION
IN PARADISE,WHERE THE LION EATS STRAW.
THEY WILL BE TAUGHT IN CHRIST, BY THE RESURRECTED SAINTS. FOR THEY WILL BE THE KINGS AND PRIESTS.QUOTE:
In this millennium, people will die as usual, and there will be separating walls.UNQUOTE:THE JEWS IN THE FLESH WILL BE BROUGHT BACK FRESH AND YOUNG,AND WILL LIVE UP TO 100YEARS.
JOB SAID THAT, HE WILL SEE HIS GOD IN HIS FLESH,AND HIS SKIN WILL BE AS BABIES SKIN.
THE WALL WONT BE PHYSICAL,BUT SPIRITUAL;THIS COULD BE ANGELS GUARDING THEM.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,14:58) Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2013,14:31) If we believe in Christ and obey him by feeding on his flesh, for he is the Word of God, and understand the words he speaks is God speaking through him, then we can claim that inheritance on Christ's return.
Hi Journey42,Wouldn't that mean the “Sprint” is the word of God rather than Jesus' flesh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they
are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,15:02) QUOTE:
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.UNQUOTE:SOME THAT ARE NOT BABTISED WITH WATER FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT LOST, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BABTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THEM ALSO MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE.
THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE HAS BEEN MISCONCEIVED.
ONE IS BORN OF WATER AT BIRTH,AND BORN *AGAIN*
IN THE RESURRECTION. FIRST BIRTH IS FLESH,AND SECOND BIRTH IS SPIRIT.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Since “ALL” will be resurrected, are you suggesting all will be “Born Again”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ April 20 2013,10:42) Wakeup, Who are these people?
Are they from the first coming until the second coming or are they from after the second coming, IYO?'After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!”
And all the angels stood round the throne and round the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God for ever and ever! Amen.”
Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?”
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night within his temple;
and he who sits upon the throne will shelter them with his
presence.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat.
For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd,
and he will guide them to springs of living water;
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
2Besee.Those people are all the saints that have died for christ
in the days of the apostles to the end time tribulation.
So the many consist of many generations.
A generation of 2000years.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,15:02) QUOTE:
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.UNQUOTE:SOME THAT ARE NOT BABTISED WITH WATER FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT LOST, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BABTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THEM ALSO MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE.
THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE HAS BEEN MISCONCEIVED.
ONE IS BORN OF WATER AT BIRTH,AND BORN *AGAIN*
IN THE RESURRECTION. FIRST BIRTH IS FLESH,AND SECOND BIRTH IS SPIRIT.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Since “ALL” will be resurrected, are you suggesting all will be “Born Again”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran
greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in
your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: they are clouds with-
out water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked
up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” (Jude 1:10-13)According to this verse “Born Again” is “A SPIRITUAL REBIRTH”! …what say you?
2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Do YOU believe that ALL will be resurrected in the Body (Flesh and Bone). Sorry about all of the questions.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
No. I've already explained this one to you.
Spirit can manifest into flesh, but SPIRIT IS NOT FLESH. Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh. FLESH cannot appear as SPIRIT….but SPIRIT can appear as FLESH.You are one or the other.
1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.Those of the flesh cannot see spirit. We cannot see the angels about us, nor can we see evil spirits, they are invisible to the human eye. But if they are permitted to manifest as flesh, so that we can see them, then they do. Just like the angels who ate with Lot. They were permitted to do that and even eat with him. Once you are spirit, you can do anything.
They are higher material than us. They travel faster, they don't die, or bleed.1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
I told you this before, no matter how good or holy a man is, when he dies, his flesh corrupts (rots). If we are resurrected, then we will never corrupt again, because we are not flesh, but spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
This should sum it all up. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. We do not die as flesh, and then inherit flesh. It goes against the scriptures.
I not only believe, but know that Christ was raised into spirit and not flesh. He only appeared as flesh to the apostles so that they could see him, and know for sure it was him. He appeared as flesh to them, not as a spirit.
Quote Do you believe that Jesus was raised in the flesh and bone? 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
2Besse
Why do you think that it was said the Jesus was made lower than the angels?
Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Because Christ WAS FLESH, and died. Now he is alive and glorified, no longer flesh, but spirit.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,15:02) QUOTE:
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.UNQUOTE:SOME THAT ARE NOT BABTISED WITH WATER FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT LOST, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BABTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THEM ALSO MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE.
THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE HAS BEEN MISCONCEIVED.
ONE IS BORN OF WATER AT BIRTH,AND BORN *AGAIN*
IN THE RESURRECTION. FIRST BIRTH IS FLESH,AND SECOND BIRTH IS SPIRIT.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Since “ALL” will be resurrected, are you suggesting all will be “Born Again”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran
greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in
your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: they are clouds with-
out water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked
up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” (Jude 1:10-13)According to this verse “Born Again” is “A SPIRITUAL REBIRTH”! …what say you?
EDJ.All the dead will be reserrected only in the second resurrection.
Resurrected in the flesh to be judged and seperated.
The sheep and the goats,all acording to their deeds.
The sheep will be accepted and changed into spirit,the goats will be cast in the fire,where satan and the false prophet are.They will be taken to heaven,while the earth is being melted.
Then they will come down to live on the new earth,and God also will come down to earth.
Heaven on earth.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,17:24) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,15:02) QUOTE:
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.UNQUOTE:SOME THAT ARE NOT BABTISED WITH WATER FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT LOST, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BABTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THEM ALSO MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE.
THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE HAS BEEN MISCONCEIVED.
ONE IS BORN OF WATER AT BIRTH,AND BORN *AGAIN*
IN THE RESURRECTION. FIRST BIRTH IS FLESH,AND SECOND BIRTH IS SPIRIT.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Since “ALL” will be resurrected, are you suggesting all will be “Born Again”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran
greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in
your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: they are clouds with-
out water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked
up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” (Jude 1:10-13)According to this verse “Born Again” is “A SPIRITUAL REBIRTH”! …what say you?
EDJ.All the dead will be reserrected only in the second resurrection.
Resurrected in the flesh to be judged and seperated.
The sheep and the goats,all acording to their deeds.
The sheep will be accepted and changed into spirit,the goats will be cast in the fire,where satan and the false prophet are.They will be taken to heaven,while the earth is being melted.
Then they will come down to live on the new earth,and God also will come down to earth.
Heaven on earth.wakeup.
Wake-up, what does 'twice-dead' mean to YOU?Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,18:03) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,17:24) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,15:02) QUOTE:
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.UNQUOTE:SOME THAT ARE NOT BABTISED WITH WATER FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT LOST, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BABTISED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THEM ALSO MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRE AND MADE WHITE.
THE BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE HAS BEEN MISCONCEIVED.
ONE IS BORN OF WATER AT BIRTH,AND BORN *AGAIN*
IN THE RESURRECTION. FIRST BIRTH IS FLESH,AND SECOND BIRTH IS SPIRIT.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Since “ALL” will be resurrected, are you suggesting all will be “Born Again”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran
greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in
your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: they are clouds with-
out water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked
up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” (Jude 1:10-13)According to this verse “Born Again” is “A SPIRITUAL REBIRTH”! …what say you?
EDJ.All the dead will be reserrected only in the second resurrection.
Resurrected in the flesh to be judged and seperated.
The sheep and the goats,all acording to their deeds.
The sheep will be accepted and changed into spirit,the goats will be cast in the fire,where satan and the false prophet are.They will be taken to heaven,while the earth is being melted.
Then they will come down to live on the new earth,and God also will come down to earth.
Heaven on earth.wakeup.
Wake-up, what does 'twice-dead' mean to YOU?
EdJ.Maybe I should explain it to you in more detail,since you have not got the picture clearly.
In the first resurrection there are two types.
1. The resurrection of the saints,resurrected in spirit.
2. The resurrection of the flesh;the bringing back to life; the CHOSEN jews only.In the second resurrection is the same as the first; two types.
1.The resurrection of the jews in Christ;resurrected in spirit.
2.The resurrection of all the dead gentiles,resurrected in the flesh to be judged according to their works.
the sheep on the right and the goats on the left.The jews would have died twice;and the gentiles also would have died twice.
Some of us in the last day dont even have to die,but will be changed in a twinkling of an eye.
I hope I have made it clear now.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,21:13) So 'twice dead' means they are going to 'die twice' (in the future)?
edj.What does second death means?
wakeup.
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Quote Wouldn't that mean the “Sprint” is the word of God rather than Jesus' flesh?
Hi EdI'm repeating Jesus own words. Lets keep it simple.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Whoever eats Christ's flesh is feeding on the Word of God. The same word which comes out of Christ's mouth is God speaking & God's will. He didn't say eat my spirit, but eat my flesh! and if we do this, then his spirit will abide in us, that same spirit that comes from the Almighty Father which Jesus has.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
And if we feed on Christ flesh and honor what he says, then he will send the holy spirit as a little help. (big help really)
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,15:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,14:58) Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2013,14:31) If we believe in Christ and obey him by feeding on his flesh, for he is the Word of God, and understand the words he speaks is God speaking through him, then we can claim that inheritance on Christ's return.
Hi Journey42,Wouldn't that mean the “Sprint” is the word of God rather than Jesus' flesh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they
are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)
Yes Ed,but we have to know what his word is saying with our understanding first. Some people just follow with faith and nothing else thinking the holy spirit will guide them to do the right thing, ….but if we are not feeding, then we are not learning anything and will get deceived. We will make wrong choices. If we are not feeding, then we are not obeying Christ's commandment, and he tells us this for our own protection (armour)
Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,22:42) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,21:13) So 'twice dead' means they are going to 'die twice' (in the future)?
edj.What does second death means?
wakeup.
So, your answer is “Yes” then?Quote (journey42 @ April 21 2013,01:59) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2013,14:58) Quote Wouldn't that mean the “Sprint” is the word of God rather than Jesus' flesh?
Hi EdI'm repeating Jesus own words. Lets keep it simple.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Whoever eats Christ's flesh is feeding on the Word of God. The same word which comes out of Christ's mouth is God speaking & God's will. He didn't say eat my spirit, but eat my flesh! and if we do this, then his spirit will abide in us, that same spirit that comes from the Almighty Father which Jesus has.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
And if we feed on Christ flesh and honor what he says, then he will send the holy spirit as a little help. (big help really)
Hi Journey42,Eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood is
allegorical for understanding his great sacrifice for us.
Not an encoded way of saying “God's word” is (?)Jesus' flesh.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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