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And Journey,
What does this mean to You?
17 When Jesus arrived, he found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about fifteen stadia away, 19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them about their brother. 20 As soon as Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, while Mary stayed at home.
21 Martha told Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask of God, he will give it to you.”
23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha told him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”
25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live. 26 Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who was to come into the world.”
Journey,
What does this verse mean to you?
Jesus told him, “I tell you with certainty, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise – Marcion and the Manichees are reported to have left this verse out of their copies of this evangelist. This saying of our Lord is justly considered as a strong proof of the immateriality of the soul; and it is no wonder that those who have embraced the contrary opinion should endeavor to explain away this meaning. In order to do this, a comma is placed after σημερον, to-day, and then our Lord is supposed to have meant, “Thou shalt be with me after the resurrection I tell thee this, To-Day.” I am sorry to find men of great learning and abilities attempting to support this most feeble and worthless criticism. Such support a good cause cannot need; and, in my opinion, even a bad cause must be discredited by it.
And also Journey,
What does this verse mean to you?
'And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.'
Matthew 24:14.Quote (2besee @ April 18 2013,21:24) Journey, Quote This only proves that there are more generations to come in during the millennium or else they would of been raised in the FIRST RESURRECTION at Christ's 2nd coming. Do you have a new testament verse that says that?
HI 2b,Is she all there?
Peace brother….
Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,17:03) Quote (2besee @ April 18 2013,21:24) Journey, Quote This only proves that there are more generations to come in during the millennium or else they would of been raised in the FIRST RESURRECTION at Christ's 2nd coming. Do you have a new testament verse that says that?
HI 2b,Is she all there?
Peace brother….
AbeAre you all there?
Peace brother
journey42,April wrote:[/quote]
Abe,Did you understand this verse?
2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,18:47) Quote (journey42 @ April 18 2013,16:47) Hi J42, (Quote)
Well my answer is that all who take part in the 1st resurrection are first fruits. Simply because there are two resurrections.1. 1st resurrection at the 2nd coming of Christ.
2. 2nd resurrection after the thousand years.
Christ was resurrected.
1Cor.15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
Rom.8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which HAVE the First fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
The first resurrection has not come yet.
Hi J42,The first resurrection has not come yet.
1Cor.15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
Rom.8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which HAVE the First fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Christ has not been raised from the dead?
Peace.
Hi J42,(Quote)
Well my answer is that all who take part in the 1st resurrection are first fruits. Simply because there are two resurrections.1. 1st resurrection at the 2nd coming of Christ.
2. 2nd resurrection after the thousand years.
Christ was resurrected.
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Well my answer is that all who take part in the 1st resurrection are first fruits. Simply because there are two resurrections.The first resurrection has not come yet.
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Yes Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the FIRST one raised from the dead.Peace sister……….
Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2013,13:38) Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Your insolence and disobedience to the words of Christ are noted.
YOU HAVE REJECTED CERTAIN SCRIPTURES PLAIN OUT. YOU HAVE GIVEN NO REASON WHY THEY ARE NOT TRUE, BUT DENIED THEM. YES COMPLETELY IGNORED THEM.
THERE ARE NO THEORIES. THERE IS ONE HOLY SPIRIT. ONE TRUTH.
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS FROM BEFORE. IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE YOU WOULD SHOW EVERYONE HOW TO ANSWER. NOT RUN AWAY. THAT IS NOT HONEST. I & OTHERS HAVE BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD VALID POINTS. YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THOSE SCRIPTURES FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. I AM SURE OTHERS ARE LOOKING INTO THOSE SCRIPTURES. YOU SHOULD BE HAVING SLEEPLESS NIGHTS UNTIL IT MAKES SENSE. YOU REALLY SHOULD BE READING, & SEARCHING, FOR THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH. IF WHAT I AM SAYING IS TRUE, AND YOU ARE WRONG, THEN YOU HAVE ATTACKED THE WORD OF GOD. WOULD GOD BE HAPPY WITH THAT? SO UP TO YOU. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU CANNOT LEARN ANYTHING MORE AND YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY, THEN SO BE IT.BUT IF YOU HAVE ALL THE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE SUCH MATTERS, THEN
EXPLAIN EZEKIEL 37 TO ME. IS IT IN YOUR BIBLE? OR DID YOU RIP THAT PAGE OUT.
EXPLAIN WHY JOHN IS THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHEN CHRIST SAID OF ALL THE MEN BORN OF WOMEN JOHN IS THE GREATEST?
EXPLAIN IF ABRAHAM IS GREATER THAN JOHN THEN?
EXPLAIN WHY CHRIST SAID NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME?
….NO MAN….THEN EXPLAIN WHY ISRAELITES UNDER THE LAW CAN COME IN SO EASY AND CHRIST DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM?
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
WHERES YOUR SWORD?
It would be pointless showing you anything when you have such a bad attitude.this is you–
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2013,19:15) 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
This is talking about the resurrection of the body.Do YOU believe that ALL will be resurrected in the Body (Flesh and Bone).
Quote (2besee @ April 19 2013,23:56) Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2013,19:15) 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
This is talking about the resurrection of the body.Do YOU believe that ALL will be resurrected in the Body (Flesh and Bone).
Do you believe that Jesus was raised in the flesh and bone?
Sorry about all of the questions.
Quote (2besee @ April 19 2013,16:41) And also Journey, What does this verse mean to you?
'And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.'
Matthew 24:14.
2Besee.Does these scriptures mean anything to you,or nothing at all?
Can you as a christian *ignore* Gods prohesies?
Go on close your eyes,because it will hurt.God says that all his words written against all nations,and *shepherds* in Jer.25 shall be fulfilled.(jer.25:13).
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye *shepherds*, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye *principal* of the flock: for the days of your *slaughter* and of your dispersions are accomplished; and *ye shall fall* like a pleasant vessel.
Jeremiah 25:35 And the *shepherds* shall have no way to flee, nor the principal of the flock to escape.
Jeremiah 25:36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal of the flock, *shall be heard*: for the LORD hath *spoiled their pasture*.
Jeremiah 25:37 And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the **fierce anger of the LORD**.
Jeremiah 25:38 He hath forsaken his covert, as the lion: for their land is **desolate** because of the fierceness of the oppressor, and because of his fierce anger.
The gospel will be preached for a *witness* only;nothing more.
The christian land is desolate.**GODS WORDS**.
You ;or anyone can not change this fact.
The shepherds are not in Gods favour. You get that?
Their day will come soon.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 19 2013,22:23) Quote (2besee @ April 19 2013,23:56) Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2013,19:15) 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
This is talking about the resurrection of the body.Do YOU believe that ALL will be resurrected in the Body (Flesh and Bone).
Do you believe that Jesus was raised in the flesh and bone?
Sorry about all of the questions.
2Besee.It is sown in corruption and it is raised in incorruption.
You will be as the angels in heaven.Jesus own words.
Angels are not flesh and bones.It is the spirit that quickened,the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
So according to you, most of us are not saved yet, and Jesus did not mean what He said.
Baptism as commanded is not necessary. “Born Agains” are to be despised.
Jesus was raised as a spirit being only, and he did not mean what he said (that “a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have”)
The Jews in a future millennium will be brought back in the flesh to Israel and will be taught by some Christians who are spirit only.
In this millennium, people will die as usual, and there will be separating walls.
Do I have that right, is that what you believe?
Wakeup,
Who are these people?
Are they from the first coming until the second coming or are they from after the second coming, IYO?'After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!”
And all the angels stood round the throne and round the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God for ever and ever! Amen.”
Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?”
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night within his temple;
and he who sits upon the throne will shelter them with his
presence.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat.
For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd,
and he will guide them to springs of living water;
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,13:53) Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2013,08:38) Quote (Resting @ April 19 2013,12:05) Quote Your insolence and disobedience to the words of Christ are noted.
YOU HAVE REJECTED CERTAIN SCRIPTURES PLAIN OUT. YOU HAVE GIVEN NO REASON WHY THEY ARE NOT TRUE, BUT DENIED THEM. YES COMPLETELY IGNORED THEM.
THERE ARE NO THEORIES. THERE IS ONE HOLY SPIRIT. ONE TRUTH.
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS FROM BEFORE. IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE YOU WOULD SHOW EVERYONE HOW TO ANSWER. NOT RUN AWAY. THAT IS NOT HONEST. I & OTHERS HAVE BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD VALID POINTS. YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THOSE SCRIPTURES FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. I AM SURE OTHERS ARE LOOKING INTO THOSE SCRIPTURES. YOU SHOULD BE HAVING SLEEPLESS NIGHTS UNTIL IT MAKES SENSE. YOU REALLY SHOULD BE READING, & SEARCHING, FOR THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH. IF WHAT I AM SAYING IS TRUE, AND YOU ARE WRONG, THEN YOU HAVE ATTACKED THE WORD OF GOD. WOULD GOD BE HAPPY WITH THAT? SO UP TO YOU. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU CANNOT LEARN ANYTHING MORE AND YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY, THEN SO BE IT.BUT IF YOU HAVE ALL THE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE SUCH MATTERS, THEN
EXPLAIN EZEKIEL 37 TO ME. IS IT IN YOUR BIBLE? OR DID YOU RIP THAT PAGE OUT.
EXPLAIN WHY JOHN IS THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHEN CHRIST SAID OF ALL THE MEN BORN OF WOMEN JOHN IS THE GREATEST?
EXPLAIN IF ABRAHAM IS GREATER THAN JOHN THEN?
EXPLAIN WHY CHRIST SAID NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME?
….NO MAN….THEN EXPLAIN WHY ISRAELITES UNDER THE LAW CAN COME IN SO EASY AND CHRIST DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM?
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
WHERES YOUR SWORD?
J42MT 11:11 “Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
LK 7:28 “I say to you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”you quoted
Quote EXPLAIN WHY JOHN IS THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHEN CHRIST SAID OF ALL THE MEN BORN OF WOMEN JOHN IS THE GREATEST? is this not different from scriptures
Sorry Pierre,Typo. I'll reword it.
I am asking Resting to explain;
Why is it that whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the baptist, when among those born of women there is none born greater than John the baptist.
How can this be? What does it mean?
Quote (2besee @ April 19 2013,16:24) Journey, Quote This only proves that there are more generations to come in during the millennium or else they would of been raised in the FIRST RESURRECTION at Christ's 2nd coming. Do you have a new testament verse that says that?
2BesseYou won't find this in the milk. The solid stuff is in hidden the OT concerning the millennium. We have a hint in Rev however. How the camp of the saints will be surrounded by Gog and Magog. This happens 1000yrs after Christ's 2nd coming (first resurrection of the saints)
So if all this happens after the millennium, and Gog has gathered his armies from the four quarters of the EARTH to surround this camp which is in one place (JERUSALEM) then we know that something is going on here. We know that this holy camp (the kingdom with Christ and his saints reigning) IS ON EARTH, NOT IN HEAVEN. We start to search in OT, because we have fully read the NT and it's not mentioned much in there. Just little clues here and there like in Romans how Israel, the natural branches were cut off, and will be grafted back in there, but only when the Lord returns.
If you want it straight out in the NT you won't get it. God has done this on purpose. You have to search. We have given many many scriptures in the OT for you to look up and see for yourself. but the problem is everybody thinks those scriptures are PAST, and are missing it as future prophesies.
Quote (2besee @ April 19 2013,16:24) Journey, Quote This only proves that there are more generations to come in during the millennium or else they would of been raised in the FIRST RESURRECTION at Christ's 2nd coming. Do you have a new testament verse that says that?
2BesseSorry I misunderstood your question.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.[/sizes] This is the first resurrection. (V 5 BUTTS IN, AND THE SCRIPTURES CLARIFY, THAT THE REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT TILL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. SO WHAT HE IS TELLING US, IS THAT V 4 IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION..NOT V5…BUT THE REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED…THIS IS THE SECOND RESURRECTION)
Now go to Rev 20:11. This is the second resurrection here.
So if there is a 2nd resurrection, and the first one happens at the 2nd coming, then something has happened during this time. Christ ruling with his saints, over who? Nations surrounding the holy camp. Old testament pointing towards Ezekiel 37 of God putting flesh back on Israel. Put two and two together.
I have to go. will get back to you later.
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I have to go. will get back to you later.Journey no problem, I have a computer issue and so I do not know when I will be posting again.
Would rather solve the problem before it gets any worse.2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote And Journey, What does this mean to You?
17 When Jesus arrived, he found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about fifteen stadia away, 19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them about their brother. 20 As soon as Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, while Mary stayed at home.
21 Martha told Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask of God, he will give it to you.”
23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha told him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”
25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live. 26 Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who was to come into the world.”
What do you want to know specifically? What's your question?
Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2013,06:24) Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,13:53) Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2013,08:38) Quote (Resting @ April 19 2013,12:05) Quote Your insolence and disobedience to the words of Christ are noted.
YOU HAVE REJECTED CERTAIN SCRIPTURES PLAIN OUT. YOU HAVE GIVEN NO REASON WHY THEY ARE NOT TRUE, BUT DENIED THEM. YES COMPLETELY IGNORED THEM.
THERE ARE NO THEORIES. THERE IS ONE HOLY SPIRIT. ONE TRUTH.
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS FROM BEFORE. IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE YOU WOULD SHOW EVERYONE HOW TO ANSWER. NOT RUN AWAY. THAT IS NOT HONEST. I & OTHERS HAVE BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD VALID POINTS. YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THOSE SCRIPTURES FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. I AM SURE OTHERS ARE LOOKING INTO THOSE SCRIPTURES. YOU SHOULD BE HAVING SLEEPLESS NIGHTS UNTIL IT MAKES SENSE. YOU REALLY SHOULD BE READING, & SEARCHING, FOR THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH. IF WHAT I AM SAYING IS TRUE, AND YOU ARE WRONG, THEN YOU HAVE ATTACKED THE WORD OF GOD. WOULD GOD BE HAPPY WITH THAT? SO UP TO YOU. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU CANNOT LEARN ANYTHING MORE AND YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY, THEN SO BE IT.BUT IF YOU HAVE ALL THE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE SUCH MATTERS, THEN
EXPLAIN EZEKIEL 37 TO ME. IS IT IN YOUR BIBLE? OR DID YOU RIP THAT PAGE OUT.
EXPLAIN WHY JOHN IS THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHEN CHRIST SAID OF ALL THE MEN BORN OF WOMEN JOHN IS THE GREATEST?
EXPLAIN IF ABRAHAM IS GREATER THAN JOHN THEN?
EXPLAIN WHY CHRIST SAID NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME?
….NO MAN….THEN EXPLAIN WHY ISRAELITES UNDER THE LAW CAN COME IN SO EASY AND CHRIST DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM?
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN
WHERES YOUR SWORD?
J42MT 11:11 “Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
LK 7:28 “I say to you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”you quoted
Quote EXPLAIN WHY JOHN IS THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHEN CHRIST SAID OF ALL THE MEN BORN OF WOMEN JOHN IS THE GREATEST? is this not different from scriptures
Sorry Pierre,Typo. I'll reword it.
I am asking Resting to explain;
Why is it that whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the baptist, when among those born of women there is none born greater than John the baptist.
How can this be? What does it mean?
Mt 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.
Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
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