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Quote What Jesus said regarding paradise, I believe. Quote We KNOW that it was not “that day” – we understand what Jesus meant.
Then what day was it. Was Christ lying?Quote Regarding Paradise: “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
He said TODAY you will be with me in paradise. But Jesus didn't go to heaven that day, so no-one went anywhere THAT DAY. But Christ rose 3 days later, and the scriptures say that all the dead in Christ will be raised on the last trump. So you must be saying that there are millions of resurrections?When that thief wakes up, it will be TODAY for him. Time stands still in the grave. Jesus word was true and will not be broken.
When the rest of the dead have to face judgement, it will also be TODAY for them. They know nothing in the grave. No clocks ticking. That's when Christ will come as a thief. When they are not expecting him. On judgment day. One day your alive, the next your suddenly dead. Unexpected for all. Then you face Christ. That fast. TODAY….When you awake, it's today.
That thief will be one of the remnant. He will live in paradise. In Jerusalem. The camp of the saints.
It is going to be so beautiful there, just like the garden of Eden. That's where the tree of life was. In Jerusalem. It will be there for them again, but this time they can eat of it, because this tree of life is Christ, and they could not learn of him back then because God's plan had to go accordingly, and everything written fulfilled, and the fullness of the gentiles had to come in first, then Babylon judged. Now the garden of eden, paradise will be restored, right from where it first started. Jerusalem. City of Peace. Spiritual and physical peace.Journey,
YOUR idea of Paradise is a temporary kingdom where people die, where evil still exists OUTSIDE the WALLS.
I do not believe that.
I believe in the Jerusalem ABOVE. I believe in the Paradise above. I believe the words of Jesus.
The Jerusalem above will come down onto the new Earth.
THAT is what Scripture says.
Our Heavenly Dwelling
1For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
“longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked”
2Besee.
The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey, YOUR idea of Paradise is a temporary kingdom where people die, where evil still exists OUTSIDE the WALLS.
I do not believe that.
I know you don't. You cannot see that there will also be future generations after Christ's return. Those inside that kingdom area will be protected. And yes they die, but at a good old age, and they live in peace. This has never happened ever.Quote I believe in the Jerusalem ABOVE. I believe in the Paradise above. I believe the words of Jesus.
There is a spiritual Jerusalem coming after the 1000 years, after the white throne judgement, and after death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire.
but there also is a physical Jerusalem. Where it all started. In the garden of Eden. That is where the tree of life was in the beginning, and that is where it will be in the end. The land there will be restored.Quote The Jerusalem above will come down onto the new Earth. After the Millenium. Not before. All the dead in the 2nd resurrection have to be judged first and the wicked thrown into the lake of fire.
Quote Our Heavenly Dwelling 1For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
“longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked”
This is spiritual Zion. We either dwell in Zion or dwell in babylon. One or the other. We are under the tent of Zion. When this body dies, it is not the end for us. For we have a place to go. You are mixing up spiritual zion with the physical. Not being able to tell the two apart. This is why it is so hard to understand. Being naked is not knowing the truth. No truth, no covering.This kingdom we speak of which is to come, after Christ's 2nd coming, is for the flesh. Israel. Christ and the saints will reign there. Abraham was promised to inherit this land also….Israel.
Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should ….after receive for an inheritance,…. obeyed: and he went out not knowing whither he went.
Abraham's footsteps travelled the border of this land Israel. He was promised this land, and to his seed, yet Abraham never got to see it. This would be the Israel of the Millennium (future) Abraham is going to receive this area also as an inheritance. He will be there, …the very boundary where he walked. He did not walk in heaven, but he walked on earth. The boundaries of the kingdom. (2240km2) Why are there boundaries? Yes the whole earth will be renewed, we do not deny this, but not yet…not until the millennium is over. There are boundaries here. This is the kingdom area on earth where the truth will flow out of zion. It doesn't mean that the whole world will be converted living the truth, but the truth comes out of this kingdom, not strange or false doctrines, just the truth. This truth will cover the whole earth.
This land was promised to Abraham for an inheritance. Does this make anyone curious?
Genesis 15:18 In that same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Exodus 6:8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD
You may say this has already been fulfilled. But the scriptures say that even Abraham himself would receive the promise and inherit this LAND also, where he walked. This is the camp of the saints, here on earth to come.
Journey, continue to read what it says, please.
Hebrews 11.
[8] By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise.
[10] For he looked forward to the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11] By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised.
[12] Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.[13] These all died in faith, not having received what was promised, but having seen it and greeted it from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
[14] For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland.
[15] If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.
[16] But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.Hebrews 12:22
'Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to tens of thousands of angels joyfully gathered together, to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to a judge who is the God of all, to the spirits of righteous people who have been made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel’s.'
Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,04:56) Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Wakeup,What Journey said is very good, but the reason besee does not see this, is not because she/he is in spiritual Babylon.
I will explain this later after this subject is finished.
Res.
journey42,May wrote:Quote
Also, Jesus vanished into thin air when he appeared to the apostles. Does flesh do this or spirit?Resurrected flesh does.
Jesus is now a spiritual body , not a spirit.
Jesus did not necessarily vanish, only removed.
Jesus said He is not a spirit.
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,04:56) Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Wakeup,What Journey said is very good, but the reason besee does not see this, is not because she is in spiritual Babylon.
I will explain this later after this subject is finished.
Res.
Note the verses–Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.That is the last preaching of the everlasting gospel and the prophesing to the nations with these two following messages as Jesus showed John–
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.There is no call here to come out of fallen Babylon to those who spiritually have obeyed the everlasting gospel. Spiritually they are already out, but in view of what it means to be seperated out of it, do not go back.
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Then after the seventh trumpet resurrection but before the destruction of Babylon, a people are called to go out physically from Babylon —
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
These people are the result of the everlasting gospel preached by the body of Christ before their resurrection.
Here they are—( plus Rev.ch 7.)
Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.but there are others not gathered who believed, but in places of safety throughout the world while Babylon is destroyed in the 7th vial.
Once you see the gap of 30 days between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial then all is made clear.
So 2 Besee can not be have the spirit of Babylon because she/he obeyed the everlasting gospel.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,10:08) journey42,May wrote:Quote
Also, Jesus vanished into thin air when he appeared to the apostles. Does flesh do this or spirit?Resurrected flesh does.
Jesus is now a spiritual body , not a spirit.
Jesus did not necessarily vanish, only removed.
Jesus said He is not a spirit.
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Res.
Hi resting.I have a question:
Do angels also have to be carried up and down everytime they appear and disappear?
wakeup.
2Besse
Mark 16:12 After that he appeared in another form, unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Quote (journey42 @ May 01 2013,06:07) 2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey, YOUR idea of Paradise is a temporary kingdom where people die, where evil still exists OUTSIDE the WALLS.
I do not believe that.
I know you don't. You cannot see that there will also be future generations after Christ's return. Those inside that kingdom area will be protected. And yes they die, but at a good old age, and they live in peace. This has never happened ever.Quote I believe in the Jerusalem ABOVE. I believe in the Paradise above. I believe the words of Jesus.
There is a spiritual Jerusalem coming after the 1000 years, after the white throne judgement, and after death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire.
but there also is a physical Jerusalem. Where it all started. In the garden of Eden. That is where the tree of life was in the beginning, and that is where it will be in the end. The land there will be restored.Quote The Jerusalem above will come down onto the new Earth. After the Millenium. Not before. All the dead in the 2nd resurrection have to be judged first and the wicked thrown into the lake of fire.
Quote Our Heavenly Dwelling 1For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
“longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked”
This is spiritual Zion. We either dwell in Zion or dwell in babylon. One or the other. We are under the tent of Zion. When this body dies, it is not the end for us. For we have a place to go. You are mixing up spiritual zion with the physical. Not being able to tell the two apart. This is why it is so hard to understand. Being naked is not knowing the truth. No truth, no covering.This kingdom we speak of which is to come, after Christ's 2nd coming, is for the flesh. Israel. Christ and the saints will reign there. Abraham was promised to inherit this land also….Israel.
Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should ….after receive for an inheritance,…. obeyed: and he went out not knowing whither he went.
Abraham's footsteps travelled the border of this land Israel. He was promised this land, and to his seed, yet Abraham never got to see it. This would be the Israel of the Millennium (future) Abraham is going to receive this area also as an inheritance. He will be there, …the very boundary where he walked. He did not walk in heaven, but he walked on earth. The boundaries of the kingdom. (2240km2) Why are there boundaries? Yes the whole earth will be renewed, we do not deny this, but not yet…not until the millennium is over. There are boundaries here. This is the kingdom area on earth where the truth will flow out of zion. It doesn't mean that the whole world will be converted living the truth, but the truth comes out of this kingdom, not strange or false doctrines, just the truth. This truth will cover the whole earth.
This land was promised to Abraham for an inheritance. Does this make anyone curious?
Genesis 15:18 In that same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Exodus 6:8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD
You may say this has already been fulfilled. But the scriptures say that even Abraham himself would receive the promise and inherit this LAND also, where he walked. This is the camp of the saints, here on earth to come.
Hi J42,Acts2:32 “This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33″Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
34″For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
35UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET.”' 36″Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ– this Jesus whom you crucified.”
and having received from the Father the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit,
The Promise is Fulfilled.
Peace sister.
2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey, continue to read what it says, please. Hebrews 11.
[8] By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go.
2BesseYes all is accomplished by faith. That is the no. 1 main ingredient. Complete trust in our Father. I do not deny that.
These scriptures make us focus on the word FAITH. As we read, we keep seeing faith, faith, faith, thinking & learning along those lines, …but there is something else hidden in those very same verse that only the holy spirit can reveal to us. It doesn't come from a dream or a vision, it comes from the Word itself. I can only steer you to it, but I can't make you see it.
[8] By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go.
If you trace the steps of Abrahams footsteps from his journey right from the beginning to the end, then you will see that he traveled the exact boundaries of the kingdom that will be set up during the millennium. This is why it has boundaries. Abraham will have his salvation. Abraham was great in the Lord's eyes because of his faith, but God said Abraham didn't even realise where his steps were going, and God said that he promised Abraham that he will receive this land as an inheritance. The very land where his feet walked..
There is a spiritual land called Zion, where we dwell spiritually, that means to worship God in the spirit, and follow his laws, and when we come into God's world, we are with him, and he is with us. He is our comfort, and our shield and our hope.
And we all desire a better place to actually live, than to be here, a place where God will take charge, rule in righteousness, take care of our oppressors,
and we all yearn to be a part of that, to be involved, in a land with no evil, we don't belong here, we want to go home, to this special place that's ours only. Our inheritance.but….first, prophecy must be fulfilled and go in the order God wants it.
And I've been showing and showing and showing you that because Israel have not obeyed, that salvation will go out to the gentiles. The gentiles will inherit the kingdom FIRST. The kingdom is not just a little piece of land with boundaries, but all that belongs to God. The whole heavens, the universe, earth, everything. There is no boundaries there. We will receive this promise and inherit the kingdom at the last trump. We are then part of God's heavenly host. Able to go anywhere and everywhere just like the angels.And because of Israel's disbelief, mercy was shown to us gentiles who believe…which means that we receive the promise FIRST.
This promise is to be raised in the first resurrection and be caught up with Christ. To conquer death by being made immortal. Changed to spirit like our Lord Jesus whom God raised from the dead and inherit everything that belongs to our Father in heaven.But the other promise, is that Israel whom God first called, will be shown mercy also after this is accomplished. After the fulness of the gentiles come in at the first resurrection. Mercy is mercy, it is not based on works. It is God's decision to bring Israel back in.
Israel will not enter the kingdom the same way the gentiles will. We made a choice. We chose which way to go. The gentiles have already inherited the kingdom and everything else for they are made immortal now.
But Israel now are chosen by God and have to learn Christ. We already know Christ, but they don't, and everyone has to come through Christ before they are granted salvation. They have only known the old laws and commandments, but now there is an even better one. The new covenant which they formerly did not even recognise in order to accept, will be established with them again, but to them this will be the first time it's established. and this time they will understand and accept.Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
God knew from the beginning that Israel would not accept the new covenant, but the verse above, shows us that this covenant will be established and everlasting.
So because they are flesh, they need a fleshly kingdom to live. They still have to eat, sleep, etc, so they will need to grow food, and have beds, and houses to live in, but the reason they are here is to come close to Christ and be taught of him. They will live in a real city, and because God's laws are there, it's a city that comes down from heaven. Not the actual city, but God's righteous laws and ways of governing come from heaven. God's is still in heaven whilst this is going on. Christ will be here on earth to govern that city and his saints will be his helpers.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,14:59) Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,10:08) Quote (journey42 @ May 01 2013,21:55) Quote
Also, Jesus vanished into thin air when he appeared to the apostles. Does flesh do this or spirit?Resurrected flesh does.
Jesus is now a spiritual body , not a spirit.
Jesus did not necessarily vanish, only removed.
Jesus said He is not a spirit.
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Res.
Hi resting.I have a question:
Do angels also have to be carried up and down everytime they appear and disappear?
wakeup.
No, but they do go up and down and Jesus is a resurrected man, not an angel.Res.
Quote (Resting @ May 01 2013,19:35) Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,04:56) Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Wakeup,What Journey said is very good, but the reason besee does not see this, is not because she is in spiritual Babylon.
I will explain this later after this subject is finished.
Res.
Note the verses–Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.That is the last preaching of the everlasting gospel and the prophesing to the nations with these two following messages as Jesus showed John–
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.There is no call here to come out of fallen Babylon to those who spiritually have obeyed the everlasting gospel. Spiritually they are already out, but in view of what it means to be seperated out of it, do not go back.
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Then after the seventh trumpet resurrection but before the destruction of Babylon, a people are called to go out physically from Babylon —
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
These people are the result of the everlasting gospel preached by the body of Christ before their resurrection.
Here they are—( plus Rev.ch 7.)
Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.but there are others not gathered who believed, but in places of safety throughout the world while Babylon is destroyed in the 7th vial.
Once you see the gap of 30 days between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial then all is made clear.
So 2 Besee can not be have the spirit of Babylon because she/he obeyed the everlasting gospel.
Res.
Hi Rest,Amen.
Take a hard look at Rev.21:9 in the interlinear, I don't see any Bibles having it translated properly.
Peace brother..
Quote (abe @ May 02 2013,18:48) Quote (Resting @ May 01 2013,19:35) Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,04:56) Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Wakeup,What Journey said is very good, but the reason besee does not see this, is not because she is in spiritual Babylon.
I will explain this later after this subject is finished.
Res.
Note the verses–Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.That is the last preaching of the everlasting gospel and the prophesing to the nations with these two following messages as Jesus showed John–
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.There is no call here to come out of fallen Babylon to those who spiritually have obeyed the everlasting gospel. Spiritually they are already out, but in view of what it means to be seperated out of it, do not go back.
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Then after the seventh trumpet resurrection but before the destruction of Babylon, a people are called to go out physically from Babylon —
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
These people are the result of the everlasting gospel preached by the body of Christ before their resurrection.
Here they are—( plus Rev.ch 7.)
Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.but there are others not gathered who believed, but in places of safety throughout the world while Babylon is destroyed in the 7th vial.
Once you see the gap of 30 days between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial then all is made clear.
So 2 Besee can not be have the spirit of Babylon because she/he obeyed the everlasting gospel.
Res.
Hi Rest,Amen.
Take a hard look at Rev.21:9 in the interlinear, I don't see any Bibles having it translated properly.
Peace brother..
What do you see in it?Res.
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Also, Jesus vanished into thin air when he appeared to the apostles. Does flesh do this or spirit?Resurrected flesh does.
Jesus is now a spiritual body , not a spirit.
Jesus did not necessarily vanish, only removed.
Jesus said He is not a spirit.
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Res.
Hi resting.I have a question:
Do angels also have to be carried up and down everytime they appear and disappear?
wakeup.
No, but they do go up and down and Jesus is a resurrected man, not an angel.Res.
Resting.I have one more question:
Are you saying that jesus is less in existence than the angels?
Since he is flesh like us,and the angels are spirit?wakeup.
Quote (abe @ May 02 2013,18:48) Quote (Resting @ May 01 2013,19:35) Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,04:56) Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Wakeup,What Journey said is very good, but the reason besee does not see this, is not because she is in spiritual Babylon.
I will explain this later after this subject is finished.
Res.
Note the verses–Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.That is the last preaching of the everlasting gospel and the prophesing to the nations with these two following messages as Jesus showed John–
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.There is no call here to come out of fallen Babylon to those who spiritually have obeyed the everlasting gospel. Spiritually they are already out, but in view of what it means to be seperated out of it, do not go back.
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Then after the seventh trumpet resurrection but before the destruction of Babylon, a people are called to go out physically from Babylon —
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
These people are the result of the everlasting gospel preached by the body of Christ before their resurrection.
Here they are—( plus Rev.ch 7.)
Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.but there are others not gathered who believed, but in places of safety throughout the world while Babylon is destroyed in the 7th vial.
Once you see the gap of 30 days between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial then all is made clear.
So 2 Besee can not be have the spirit of Babylon because she/he obeyed the everlasting gospel.
Res.
Hi Rest,Amen.
Take a hard look at Rev.21:9 in the interlinear, I don't see any Bibles having it translated properly.
Peace brother..
Abe.Isaiah 43:11. I, even I, am the Lord;and beside me there is no saviour.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,00:34) Quote (abe @ May 02 2013,18:48) Quote (Resting @ May 01 2013,19:35) Quote (Resting @ May 02 2013,09:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,04:56) Quote (2besee @ May 02 2013,01:25) Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,02:57) 2Besee. The angel says ''come out of her my people(babylon) ,so you dont receive her plague''.
What does it tell you; That his people are in babylon;and to come out.wakeup.
Wakeup, yes. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
2Besee.If one has the spirit of babylon;he can not understand scripture.
wakeup.
Wakeup,What Journey said is very good, but the reason besee does not see this, is not because she is in spiritual Babylon.
I will explain this later after this subject is finished.
Res.
Note the verses–Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.That is the last preaching of the everlasting gospel and the prophesing to the nations with these two following messages as Jesus showed John–
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.There is no call here to come out of fallen Babylon to those who spiritually have obeyed the everlasting gospel. Spiritually they are already out, but in view of what it means to be seperated out of it, do not go back.
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Then after the seventh trumpet resurrection but before the destruction of Babylon, a people are called to go out physically from Babylon —
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
These people are the result of the everlasting gospel preached by the body of Christ before their resurrection.
Here they are—( plus Rev.ch 7.)
Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.but there are others not gathered who believed, but in places of safety throughout the world while Babylon is destroyed in the 7th vial.
Once you see the gap of 30 days between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial then all is made clear.
So 2 Besee can not be have the spirit of Babylon because she/he obeyed the everlasting gospel.
Res.
Hi Rest,Amen.
Take a hard look at Rev.21:9 in the interlinear, I don't see any Bibles having it translated properly.
Peace brother..
What do you see in it?Res.
Hi Rest,(Quote)
Once you see the gap of 30 days between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial then all is made clear.Rev.21:9 He was talking to the seventh angel that (has or had) the seventh vial?
Peace brother…….
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