The order of events continued

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Hi Wakeup,

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion
shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the
weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)

Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.

This is all spiritual talk, the only physical thing about this is the scenario itself that God uses to convey truth with.
And in case you choose to disagree, consider Churches who pick up snakes in their services based on the following…

“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.

“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)

Ed,

Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.
Truth starts coming out of Zion now, no confusion.
The gentiles are the peoples of the nations that survived. The ones living outside of Jerusalem. The ones that will be taught by the Jews who are taught by Christ.

Christ is standing for an ensign of the Jews now.
The tables are turned.
Jerusalem – City of Peace.

Hi J42,

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Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.

Rev.5:3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it. 4Then I began to weep greatly because no one was found worthy to open the book or to look into it; 5and one of the elders said to me, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals.”

Do you think he overcame Death?

Peace sister.

Hi J42,

Bump

Peace sister

Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

April 28, 2013 at 5:31 am#343212

Wakeup

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Hi Wakeup,

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.

“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.

“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)

Ed,

Christ is standing for an ensign of the Jews now.
The tables are turned.
Jerusalem – City of Peace.

Hi J42,

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Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.

Do you think he overcame Death?

Peace sister.

Hi J42,

Bump

Peace sister

Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

What?
May be you need some coffe or something;
To sober up.

wakeup.

April 28, 2013 at 9:21 am#343217

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Hi Wakeup,

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.

“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.

“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)

Ed,

Christ is standing for an ensign of the Jews now.
The tables are turned.
Jerusalem – City of Peace.

Hi J42,

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Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.

Do you think he overcame Death?

Peace sister.

Hi J42,

Bump

Peace sister

Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

Hi Abe,

I thought I already answered this?
Yes of course Jesus overcame death, but we have not yet.

April 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm#343255

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Hi Wakeup,

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.

“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.

“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)

Ed,

Christ is standing for an ensign of the Jews now.
The tables are turned.
Jerusalem – City of Peace.

Hi J42,

(Quote)
Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.

Do you think he overcame Death?

Peace sister.

Hi J42,

Bump

Peace sister

Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

What?
May be you need some coffe or something;
To sober up.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Matt.7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Peace.

April 28, 2013 at 10:10 pm#343281

Wakeup

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Hi Wakeup,

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.

“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.

“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)

Ed,

Christ is standing for an ensign of the Jews now.
The tables are turned.
Jerusalem – City of Peace.

Hi J42,

(Quote)
Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.

Do you think he overcame Death?

Peace sister.

Hi J42,

Bump

Peace sister

Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

What?
May be you need some coffe or something;
To sober up.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Matt.7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Peace.

Abe.

I agree with those scriptures,for you shall not judge.
Let the scripture do the judging.

He that rejected me,and receive not my words,hath one that judge him:**THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN,THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY**.(John.12:48).

wakeup.

April 29, 2013 at 3:37 am#343322

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Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

What?
May be you need some coffe or something;
To sober up.

wakeup.

Abe,
Don't worry about Wakeup. He doesn't seem to know what bump means!!

April 29, 2013 at 4:13 am#343323

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Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

What?
May be you need some coffe or something;
To sober up.

wakeup.

Abe,
Don't worry about Wakeup. He doesn't seem to know what bump means!!

Hi 2b,

Rev.12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male [child], who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Jn.1:32 John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33″I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.' 34″I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God.”

I need to have the 2 verses match at the same place in Time. Help me out.

Peace brother….

April 29, 2013 at 4:31 am#343324

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Abe, sure. I will take a look later for you.

April 29, 2013 at 11:26 am#343355

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Abe this is hard! Do you think that those two verses go together?

Who do you think the woman is (in Rev 12:5)?

April 29, 2013 at 7:23 pm#343373

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Abe this is hard! Do you think that those two verses go together?

Who do you think the woman is (in Rev 12:5)?

Hi 2b,

Acts7:49 “'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.

Rev.12:1 great sign appeared IN Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

Rev.12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught to God and to His throne.

She never left Heaven. She is Heaven.

Is.65:8 “But be glad and rejoice forever in what I Create; For behold, I Create Jerusalem [for] rejoicing And her people [for] gladness.

Is.66:7 “Before she travailed, she brought forth; Before her pain came, she gave birth to a boy.
8″Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a land(earth) be born in one day? Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons.

I think these are the FIRST FRUITS.

9″Shall I bring to the point of birth and NOT give delivery?”

says the LORD. “Or shall I who gives delivery shut [the womb]?” says your God.

One Body. One Spirit.

Is the SON still in the WOMB ??

Rom.8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not BELONG to Him.

Maybe You and Resting or EdJ can help out here?

Peace brothers.

April 30, 2013 at 2:14 am#343397

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Hi J42,

Bump.

Peace.

What?
May be you need some coffe or something;
To sober up.

wakeup.

Abe,
Don't worry about Wakeup. He doesn't seem to know what bump means!!

Hi 2b,

I need to have the 2 verses match at the same place in Time. Help me out.

Peace brother….

Hi Abe.

I have tried but I cannot make it match. Maybe in time, I will give it further thought with your other post, okay.

April 30, 2013 at 10:42 am#343459

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Hi 2b,

I need to have the 2 verses match at the same place in Time. Help me out.

Peace brother….

Abe.
As a start, fill in the blanks for me…

She is ………………..?
The male child is ………………..?
The wilderness where the woman fled is ………………..?
How was she nourished………………..?
The 1260 days is ………………..?

That might help me.

May 1, 2013 at 5:17 am#343515

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2besee,April wrote:

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Hi 2Besse

I missed this post.

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Hi Journey.

What happens when people die? Well, none of us know that for sure

It's not a mystery. It's revealed in the scriptures.

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but I do believe the visions and near death experiences where people see heaven.

I'm very sceptical of these “visions”. Don't be fooled by them.

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I also believe scripture and I believe what Paul said: That a man went to the third heaven and he called this paradise. The word paradise is only used three times in the New Testament, and the thief was promised that he would be with Jesus in Paradise and we all know that Jesus went up, don't we!

Yes Christ did ascend, but not that day. Think on this, so it must mean something else.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

May 1, 2013 at 6:36 am#343521

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journey42,May wrote:

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2Besse

What happens when we die is revealed to us here and there in the scriptures.

Here are some scriptures.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So adam was completely formed, then God breathed the breath of life into him, and he became a living soul.
……Breath of life……this is what makes each and every one of us breathe and gets the heart pumping. Adam was made out of flesh. We are all made out of flesh.

Genesis 2:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shall thou return.

So when we die we become dust again. Not spirit, but dust.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun.

This does not mean that we will not be resurrected as promised. It means that whilst we are dead, we know nothing. We are not a part of anything. Just dead for the time being. Unable to participate in anything. Time will stand still for the dead, for they don't even follow a clock or aware of time.
But the world don't know this, for they love to speak to the dead. They say hauntings are dead souls, lost, who are caught in between heaven and hell.
…But the scriptures say when we are dead our memories are forgotten, our love is forgotten, even our hatred is forgotten. So these emotions are not existing in the grave, because we are dead.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Our spirit, (breath of life) goes back to God. He owns it. He gave it, and he takes it back. It's in his hands, whether we die good or wicked. Does not mean that we are alive again when we die, because the scriptures above say the opposite, that we know nothing.

Do you understand this so far?

May 1, 2013 at 7:33 am#343522

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Journey,

You are not teaching me anything new, I have heard all of what you say in the JW magazines. I also heard from the JWs that miracles are not performed, neither are healings, neither are dreams and visions experienced, and I heard from them, that SATAN is behind all of those things (do you agree?). WOE! I walked away from them that day.

What Jesus said regarding paradise, I believe.

May 1, 2013 at 7:53 am#343524

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Journey, you are quoting Old Testament verses, as if Jesus never came.

Jesus the Resurrection and the Life.

17 When Jesus arrived, he found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about fifteen stadia away, 19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them about their brother. 20 As soon as Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, while Mary stayed at home.

21 Martha told Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask of God, he will give it to you.”

23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”

24 Martha told him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”

25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live. 26 Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?”

27 “Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who was to come into the world.”

When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?

You should believe Jesus.

May 1, 2013 at 9:25 am#343527

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2besee,May wrote:

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Journey,

You are not teaching me anything new, I have heard all of what you say in the JW magazines.

Hi 2Besse

This has nothing to do with the J'W's for I was not taught of them. This is purely scriptural and straight forward. You said you weren't sure what happens after death, so you obviously don't know. Well I'm showing you that you don't have to be in the dark. Once you do know, you can then say confidently “Yes I do know what happens to us after death” because of these scriptures.

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I also heard from the JWs that miracles are not performed, neither are healings,

I have experienced miracles and healings myself on numerous occasions, and also prayed for my family members who were healed within minutes. So I believe in the power of God, that if it is his will, he will perform it at our request. It increases our faith.

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neither are dreams and visions experienced, and I heard from them, that SATAN is behind all of those things (do you agree?).

2Besse,
Many go around saying I dream't this or dream't that, or I had a vision. If these dreams and visions harmonise with the scriptures then it's possible it is from God. God will speak to us in many ways, but his word was delivered to us by the prophets, Christ and the apostles. No one can add anything more than what we are already given or tell us anything more than what's already told.

They love to talk about dreams and visions in the churches. They thrive on this. It's always stories about someone else. I think they should be discussing the scriptures because we know that this definately came from God.

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WOE! I walked away from them that day.

I don't care for any religion myself, and I don't believe in celebrating christmas or easter because of the scriptures and because the history of these celebrations are of the occult. The J'W's believe the same thing. This does not make me a JW. But we agree on these things and they never taught me that.

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What Jesus said regarding paradise, I believe.

But did Jesus go to paradise THAT DAY? You know yourself he died. He was dead for 3 days. So how could Jesus go to paradise that same day which is heaven you say? It would make everything a lie.

May 1, 2013 at 9:32 am#343528

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2besee,May wrote:

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Journey, you are quoting Old Testament verses, as if Jesus never came.

Jesus still experienced death. In the grave, knowing nothing whilst he is dead. He was raised 3 days later however, but some have been dead for 2 thousand years, and will still receive the promise.

2Besse
It says the dead in Christ will be raised at the last trumpet (7th trumpet)

Raised, as in woken up from the dead. All together at the same time.

Lazarus was only raised in the flesh. He had that spirit of life put back in him. He was not raised to spirit. Christ was the firstborn of the dead.

May 1, 2013 at 10:15 am#343529

http://biblesuite.com/greek/3857.htm

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Journey,

I don't have much time to post, but just briefly,

You also do not believe that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and bone. That is not scriptural. Jesus showed them His hands and His feet and said “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” He was telling them that He was not a Spirit but was FLESH and BONE.

But you do not believe that, even though it is what it says.

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What Jesus said regarding paradise, I believe.

But did Jesus go to paradise THAT DAY? You know yourself he died. He was dead for 3 days. So how could Jesus go to paradise that same day which is heaven you say? It would make everything a lie.

We KNOW that it was not “that day” – we understand what Jesus meant.

Regarding Paradise:

“Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

3857.
paradeisos: a park, a garden, a paradise

There are only 2 other occurrences of that word.

1. 'I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught UP to the third heaven — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught UP into Paradise — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows — and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.' 2Cor 12:2
2. 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.' Rev 2:7

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You said you weren't sure what happens after death, so you obviously don't know.

I said that nobody knows for sure what happens. I said that I believe scripture!

May 1, 2013 at 10:55 am#343532