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Quote (Resting @ April 27 2013,12:27) Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,09:55) .
From the article bottom of first page.Quote Paul writes to similar effect in the Epistle to the Colossians, when he says that God “disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in Christ’s cross” (Col. 2:15); and in the Epistle to the Hebrews there is, if anything, an even more explicit statement where the writer asserts that in the incarnation the Son of God partook of our human nature, “in order that through death he might render ineffective him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage” (Heb. 2:14f.). Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,There was no incarnation of a son of God to partake of human nature.
Jesus was born the seed of Abraham, a human nature.
Jesus was born a human with a human nature or He was not a man.
Quote Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.The word here is destroy, not the word bound, and was satan destroyed at the cross? No.
The Greek word for 'destroy' is 'Strong's 2673, katargeó, which means in short 'bring to naught, sever, abolish, make inactive, make of no effect, annul, abolish, sever, seperate.
Here is the Greek: http://biblos.com/hebrews/2-14.htm
And here is the word katargeó: http://biblesuite.com/greek/2673.htmSo as you can see, it does not mean destroy but annul, or bring to naught HIM that had the power over death that is the Devil. So as you can see, the Devil was brought to naught for the meantime, from the cross.
The word 'bound' (a different word than the above) is found in Revelations 20:2.
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
Here is the Greek for that verse: http://biblos.com/revelation/20-2.htm
Here is the occurrences of the word:
http://biblesuite.com/greek/strongs_1210.htm
As you can see, it is the same word used in the following verses:
'If it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.'
'Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the sabbath untie his ox or his ass from the manger, and lead it away to water it? And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?'
'I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.'
Anyway if you add it all up together, Satan being bound temporarily until the “thousand years are over” has to be from the cross.
This makes people angry! They have nobody to blame, they don't want to blame man. How dare we say that Satan has been bound from the cross.'In like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones. But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” But these men revile whatever they do not understand, and by those things that they know by instinct as irrational animals do, they are destroyed.'
Quote There is also a passage in the Revelation which seems to have a bearing on this interpretation of the binding of Satan. It is generally agreed that this passage (ch. 12:1ff.) refers to the birth, death, and exaltation of Christ and to the overthrow of Satan which these events effected. John sees a woman in the pangs of childbirth and a dragon waiting to devour her child when it is born; she gives birth to a male child “who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron,” but the dragon fails in his design because “her child was caught up to God and to his throne”; there follows an account of war in heaven in which the dragon and his angels are defeated, “and the great dragon, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was thrown down to the earth,” and his angels with him; and this calls forth the joyful proclamation: “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come!” His mission to earth completed, the Redeemer of mankind assumes all authority as the ruler of “all the nations,” while Satan, “the deceiver of the whole world,” is overthrown and the peoples of the world are released from his domination. Or, in the words of Revelation 20:21., “the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan,” has been “seized” and “bound” and “thrown into the pit,” which has been “shut and sealed over him,” “so that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years are ended.” At the end of that period, we are advised, “he must be loosed for a little while.” Quote The peoples of the world were not released from satans domination, and only the ones who came to belief IN Christ are, but they can still be buffeted by satan today. Good seed was sown and bad seed was sown, so we have growing up simultaneously side by side the good and the bad, but, the bad grows faster than the good. And today, the age of the deception, it is difficult to know one from the other, because I believe there are few good left, most of them are old (most likely). Those who are good, pity the world, they feel compassion and want to help those who are truly needy, but they have to watch that they are not also deceived because the deception is also in the Churches today by way o
f a deceptive spirit. So there is nowhere to go, really.Satan has been let lose for the final deception, but it is not what you think.
Jesus comes at a time when is least expected. When men say 'peace and security' sudden destruction will come upon them in one day.
Yes, there most likely will be a WW3 soon. But that is not what we need to be awake to, IMO.
Quote If we read the text correctly we can see that satan is cast down from his heavenly influence upon the true church and through the conflict of michaels angels with the false prophets, all on the earth. (Jesus and His messengers fight against the dragon and his false prophets ) I have read Revelations several times and I still cannot see any chronological order to it. I would like to go through the book with another person but everyone who I know thinks they know it all, so I myaswell go through it again myself. Boring on my own!
Wakeup or Journey,
This is in regards to an earlier post – I do not know where it is, so I will post it here:
'One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
3857.
paradeisos: a park, a garden, a paradiseThere are only 2 other occurrences of that word.
'I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows — and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.' 2Cor 12:2
'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.' Rev 2:7
http://biblesuite.com/greek/3857.htm
The thief on the cross was told by Jesus that He would be in Paradise which according to Paul is in the third heaven.
Quote from biblesuite: “According to the opinion of many of the church Fathers, the paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither on earth nor in the heavens, but above and beyond the world”
Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,21:31) Wakeup or Journey, This is in regards to an earlier post – I do not know where it is, so I will post it here:
'One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
3857.
paradeisos: a park, a garden, a paradiseThere are only 2 other occurrences of that word.
'I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows — and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.' 2Cor 12:2
'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.' Rev 2:7
http://biblesuite.com/greek/3857.htm
The thief on the cross was told by Jesus that He would be in Paradise which according to Paul is in the third heaven.
Quote from biblesuite: “According to the opinion of many of the church Fathers, the paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither on earth nor in the heavens, but above and beyond the world”
2Besee.Adam and Eve were in paradise,and they were not in the 3rd heaven,but on earth.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,23:15) Wakeup, Did you even read my post?
Read it, again… think… and then comment. Thanks!
2Besee.I was just saying that paradise was on earth.
Now we can eat of the tree of life.
What and where is this tree of life?wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 28 2013,00:21) Wakeup, According to Paul, Paradise is in the third heaven.
2Besee.Paul did not say that paradise is in the 3rd heaven.
He said that he saw this man wether in inside the body our outside the body. Meaning that he could have had a vision,
or a dream.wakeup.
2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Quote from biblesuite: “According to the opinion of many of the church Fathers, the paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither on earth nor in the heavens, but above and beyond the world” 2Besse
Can you please explain to me what your understanding of death is. What happens when someone dies, christian or non christian?
eg, does he go straight to heaven, or hell, or just sleeping?Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,19:51) Quote (journey42 @ April 27 2013,15:05) Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,14:27) Info: Proxy hiders make it possible to be logged into a forum as two different usernames.
Multiple online personalities, quite a thing of today!
Yes it is possible, if one wanted to go through that much trouble. There are three of us that agree. Not one pretending to be 2 or three.
I still suspect that you and Journey are the same person, forgive me if I am mistaken, but that is why I quoted you like I did.Okay, it is dropped, I will not say another word…..,,,
Hi 2Besee,I thought all three of them were the same person until I got to know them all individually.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,06:49) Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,19:51) Quote (journey42 @ April 27 2013,15:05) Quote (2besee @ April 27 2013,14:27) Info: Proxy hiders make it possible to be logged into a forum as two different usernames.
Multiple online personalities, quite a thing of today!
Yes it is possible, if one wanted to go through that much trouble. There are three of us that agree. Not one pretending to be 2 or three.
I still suspect that you and Journey are the same person, forgive me if I am mistaken, but that is why I quoted you like I did.Okay, it is dropped, I will not say another word…..,,,
Hi 2Besee,I thought all three of them were the same person until I got to know them all individually.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.We teach and believe the same thing,because we only use the one book.Seek and ye shall find;you find it in Christ only.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
My understanding equally comes from the bible as well,
but I haven't heard your spin on it until you joined H-net. (:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,09:15) Hi Wakeup, My understanding equally comes from the bible as well,
but I haven't heard your spin on it until you joined H-net. (:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdJ.You call it spin,because you have not heard it before.
The truth have never been taught before.
All you have to do is to confirm it by the scriptures.
You will find no fault in what I teach.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,09:38) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,09:15) Hi Wakeup, My understanding equally comes from the bible as well,
but I haven't heard your spin on it until you joined H-net. (:God bless
Ed J
Hi EdJ.You call it spin,because you have not heard it before.
The truth have never been taught before.
All you have to do is to confirm it by the scriptures.
You will find no fault in what I teach.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, yes I have never heard your private interpretation of Prophecy before.“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wkaeup,
Private does NOT mean a unwillingness to share it.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,10:13) Hi Wkaeup, Private does NOT mean a unwillingness to share it.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Private ἴδιος id'-ee-os (idios): one's own, apart, aside, dueQuote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,10:17) Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,10:13) Hi Wkaeup, Private does NOT mean a unwillingness to share it.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Private ἴδιος id'-ee-os (idios): one's own, apart, aside, due
EDJ.You judge every interpretation by the scriptures.
If you can find any wrong interpretations; shoot it down with scriptures.
Compare scripture with scripture.
You have your scritures and some other doctrine to defend yourself.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,06:49) Hi 2Besee, I thought all three of them were the same person until I got to know them all individually.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Thanks Ed.I find it quite funny. Just like I was so sure 2Besse was a she!
Wakeup married my dad's sister just before I was born. His two sons are my first cousins. It would be good if they could join in here also, but i doubt they ever would.
Quote (journey42 @ April 28 2013,03:01) 2Besse Can you please explain to me what your understanding of death is. What happens when someone dies, christian or non christian?
eg, does he go straight to heaven, or hell, or just sleeping?Hi Journey.
What happens when people die? Well, none of us know that for sure but I do believe the visions and near death experiences where people see heaven. I also believe scripture and I believe what Paul said: That a man went to the third heaven and he called this paradise. The word paradise is only used three times in the New Testament, and the thief was promised that he would be with Jesus in Paradise and we all know that Jesus went up, don't we!
Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,02:45) Quote (2besee @ April 28 2013,00:21) Wakeup, According to Paul, Paradise is in the third heaven.
2Besee.Paul did not say that paradise is in the 3rd heaven.
He said that he saw this man wether in inside the body our outside the body. Meaning that he could have had a vision,
or a dream.wakeup.
'I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows — and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.' 2Cor 12:2
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