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Quote That is so complicated! 2Besse,
Of course it's complicated to you. You have the events all mixed up.
You think all is over when Christ returns.
You did not consider the millenium to come which says 1000 yrs of rest, not two thousand years.
Do you know what rest is? It's rest from the enemy, Satan, because he is locked up.
You did not consider the timing of the first resurrection, where all the saints will be raised at the 7th trump. You completely can not comprehend this.
So you can't picture in in your head a thousand years of Christ ruling nations, and kings, with all power and glory.
It says Christ will rule with a rod of iron.
Do you know what ruling with a rod of iron means?
It means with all power and authority.
He will be strict, and put up with no nonsense.You can't picture this, Christ ruling with his saints,
You can't picture what is actually going to take place during that time.
You can't picture Israel being restored. Physical Israel with Christ leading them,
and what it means to have knowledge covering the earth,
the truth flowing out of Zion. (that little kingdom area where Christ and his saints are ruling and teaching the Jews, preaching God's laws and ways, the true way)
You can't picture after the 1000 years, the battle of Gog and Magog
You can't even see the 2nd resurrection, which is judgement day after the thousand years, and that this is called THE SECOND DEATH. The finale.Leading up to Christ's return, there will be six plagues on the kingdom of Babylon. (six trumpets) Many will lose their lives during this time, but on the 7th trumpet, many more will be taken out of the way by Christ himself at his appearing. For example all those armies that are gathered at Armageddon,
they will be destroyed.
But only the false prophet and the beast are cast into the lake of fire. No one else.
The dead have to stand before Christ in the 2nd resurrection, and face trial. They do not get away with anything. They will be judged by the books, and will be very afraid,
they will THEN BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THE SECOND DEATH.
but there are many that will be spared, and if their names are written in the book of life, then they will not be killed in the SECOND DEATH.
It's really not that complicated.Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Wrong. The Israel of God is the elect of God, the Heavenly Zion, the true church, and only in being added to that Israel by Christ can men be saved from Gods wrath.
Isaiah ch 49 refers to Heavenly Zion, not Jews of the flesh.
Your ideas are fuel for Israel of the middle east to continue with their land stealing and killing with the false churches blessing, the doctrine of which you hold to.
What don't you understand?
God chose Israel to make a name for himself,
but they disobeyed, by rejecting the prophets, and then their Messiah.
God is not happy with them,
even to this day.
But God said, he will have mercy on them again,
but not before he punishes them.
Punishment will start soon when the false prophet comes.
They will be invaded, and will have their power taken away from them,
They will be treated badly when the Kings of the East also come in,
the women will be ravished and many children will be killed.
This is going to be a very sad time for them, like nothing you've ever imagined.
This is God's doing. Their sins have reached heaven, and God is punishing them.
Then God will send Christ, and Christ will come collect them (the ones chosen only, get this?, not all of them)
this includes the remnant that survived, and also the dead Israelites, chosen only)
This is why they will come with weeping and tears, for what they have just been through.
God will give them mercy also, just like he gave the gentiles mercy,
and God will take that veil off from their eyes, just like he did with the gentiles.
They are spared because of MERCY,
not of their works, because their works have been bad.
When the kingdom is set up, this is their opportunity to repent, to change,
but it will be easy for them,
for the enemy, Satan is locked up,
and they are being fed pure truth, straight from Christ.
and Christ will not loose one of them.
That kingdom area is going to be full of the holy spirit.
One truth, One lord, one way.
Not like it is today, so hard for us with all the religions, and false teachings about,
and nasty christians.Quote (Resting @ April 25 2013,22:20) Israel of the flesh, besides being a work of man, do not keep the commandments of God so they are more likely to be the persecuters themselves. Quote Wrong. The Israel of God is the elect of God, the Heavenly Zion, the true church, and only in being added to that Israel by Christ can men be saved from Gods wrath.
Isaiah ch 49 refers to Heavenly Zion, not Jews of the flesh.
Your ideas are fuel for Israel of the middle east to continue with their land stealing and killing with the false churches blessing, the doctrine of which you hold to.
Res.
That is exactly what I see happening.
I have family who are “pro-Israel” who seem to be blind to what happens there. They watched News reports in the past when Palestinians were being bullied by the Israelis, and they said that the Palestinians deserve it.
I saw Christians on a TV documentary touring Israel, and when they saw Muslims, they said “God hates the Arabs and so do we”. Can you tell me WHEN Jesus said to HATE? Um… Quite the opposite. LOVE thy NEIGHBOR.
I have always been a questioner, not a follower. I had to know WHY. Everything is always WHY, lol.
Why did people worship a God who tormented people forever and ever? What about the innocent people who were raised “Muslim” etc, or what about those who never knew truth. I was told by those believers in eternal conscious torment, that it is their own choice (what??)… and that God is “just”. I was told that Satan is the one that takes them there. So I said “Does God not have control over Satan and “hell”.
They had no answer for that.
I said “So then… Is Satan stronger than God?”
Still no answer.
I said “So, how could you be happy in Heaven when people are being tormented FOREVER?
it just did not make sense to me.Before I walked away in disgust at that God…. I prayed, and asked Him if what they said was true. I was shown in my heart that day, that God IS love, and that there is nothing to worry about. I started to really hate that false doctrine. I saw it as a lie against God. I love the verse “God is love.. There is no fear in love”. I spent a while debating against these eternal hell torment God Christians, but I realized that you cannot change some of them, some you can though.
I am the same with justice.
I know who the bullies are, I know who the victims are, despite how it may seem, and I know that God is just.With the recent Marathon bombings, I dreamt about that 8 weeks before it happened, though I think that was only a part of my dream. When Boston was in lock-down, and they hunted that 19 year old, I felt the Spirit urge me to pray, for him, and I did, with tears. I really felt that prayer, and I knew that Jesus would show himself to that young man right at that moment, and I believe it – I know it. I am sure that the media will not have people know it if he tells them, and his faith will be challenged by them, and so I will continue to pray for him. When Jesus was crucified, they yelled “crucify him”. Jesus prayed “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”.
Journey,
Quote Of course it's complicated to you. You have the events all mixed up. I do not have the events all mixed up, you do.
Quote You think all is over when Christ returns. It will be over when He returns.
Quote You did not consider the millennium to come which says 1000 yrs of rest, not two thousand years.
Do you know what rest is? It's rest from the enemy, Satan, because he is locked up.The enemy has been bound since the cross.
You do not consider these verses at all, or if you do, what do they mean to you:
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.Quote It says Christ will rule with a rod of iron.
Do you know what ruling with a rod of iron means?
It means with all power and authority.
He will be strict, and put up with no nonsense.That is your interpretation.
Quote You can't picture after the 1000 years, the battle of Gog and Magog Yes I can. That is soon to come.
Quote You can't even see the 2nd resurrection, which is judgement day after the thousand years, and that this is called THE SECOND DEATH. The finale. I understand that. Who said that I did not?
You can believe whatever you want to believe, Journey.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,22:22) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:17) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
2Besee.Those are all prophesies,not gospels.jesus did not do much prophesying to his apostles.
There are the 4 gospels and many prophesies.
The OT is full of prophesies.wakeup.
Wakeup,
We have all that we need too know regarding the prophecies in the New Testament, and anything from the Old Testament is only revealed to us through God not through our own understanding.
You either believe that or you do not.
Wakeup, I have Old Testament prophecies which fit perfectly, yet I will not post them here. I have not felt to.
Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:41) Ed, Yes I agree with you that 1000 years is not exactly 1000 years.
Hi 2Besee,We don't agree at all; I believe 1,000 years means
a complete cycle rather than any amount of time.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ April 26 2013,12:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,22:22) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:17) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
2Besee.Those are all prophesies,not gospels.jesus did not do much prophesying to his apostles.
There are the 4 gospels and many prophesies.
The OT is full of prophesies.wakeup.
Wakeup,
We have all that we need too know regarding the prophecies in the New Testament, and anything from the Old Testament is only revealed to us through God not through our own understanding.
You either believe that or you do not.
2Besee.You are showing your love for God with your lips only.
Inside; you dont really care about his words and prophecy.
You dont really believe that his word is potent.
You can brush it off with ease and not feel guilty.
You belong to those prophets and pastors that will be destroyed.(jer.25). Because the land is desolate.Because God said it,and it will be done.
But that dont mean anything to you; just carry on believing
what you have been told.NO HARM WILL COME TO US.
all is fine,God is love,God loves me.I can fly ;I am spirit.
Maybe you have too much spirit; You will be charge for drunk driving.If satan is locked up for a 1000yrs;then how can he manage 7 world empires? One after the other? How can he lead the 7th and the 8th empire?
Before christ was the Roman empire; and is today the end time Roman empire.
And you say satan is in prison?? He showed Jesus his empires. His 6000yr reign will end, when he is locked up.
The earth will be at peace for 1000yrs;the Lord is in charge.wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ April 26 2013,11:04) Resting,April wrote:Quote Wrong. The Israel of God is the elect of God, the Heavenly Zion, the true church, and only in being added to that Israel by Christ can men be saved from Gods wrath.
Isaiah ch 49 refers to Heavenly Zion, not Jews of the flesh.
Your ideas are fuel for Israel of the middle east to continue with their land stealing and killing with the false churches blessing, the doctrine of which you hold to.
Quote What don't you understand?
God chose Israel to make a name for himself,
but they disobeyed, by rejecting the prophets, and then their Messiah.
God is not happy with them,
even to this day.You are thinking wrong.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:God poured out His wrath on the Jews for rejecting Jesus long ago and none of them are alive today.
The descendants of the Jews are so mixed in with other peoples and the only thing to identify them by is Judaism which is practiced by many other peoples than the flesh descendants of the Jews.
What you have to contend with in your thinking is that the promises to Abraham and his seed is through the one who is Christ and the past promises to Abrahams flesh are fulfilled and concluded and defined by the law of circumicision of the flesh. You need to understand that, but it does not rule out the promises of God to Abraham and His seed which is through Christ.
The Jews of the flesh are not the whole house of Israel of the flesh as well.
The fact is that the believing Jews did accept Jesus and mulitudes were saved, and we in Christ are their descendants.
Quote But God said, he will have mercy on them again,
but not before he punishes them.
Punishment will start soon when the false prophet comes.
They will be invaded, and will have their power taken away from them,
They will be treated badly when the Kings of the East also come in,
the women will be ravished and many children will be killed.his is going to be a very sad time for them, like nothing you've ever imagined.
This is God's doing. Their sins have reached heaven, and God is punishing them.
Then God will send Christ, and Christ will come collect them (the ones chosen only, get this?, not all of them)
this includes the remnant that survived, and also the dead Israelites, chosen only)
This is why they will come with weeping and tears, for what they have just been through.
God will give them mercy also, just like he gave the gentiles mercy,
and God will take that veil off from their eyes, just like he did with the gentiles.
They are spared because of MERCY,
not of their works, because their works have been bad.
When the kingdom is set up, this is their opportunity to repent, to change,
but it will be easy for them,
for the enemy, Satan is locked up,
and they are being fed pure truth, straight from Christ.
and Christ will not loose one of them.
That kingdom area is going to be full of the holy spirit.
One truth, One lord, one way.
Not like it is today, so hard for us with all the religions, and false teachings about,
and nasty christians.God only has one nation which is the apple of His eye, and they sure are not the Jews of the flesh.
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.God does not have two nations in mind.
2Jn 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2Jn 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.Res
Quote (Wakeup @ April 26 2013,14:16) 2Besee. You are showing your love for God with your lips only.
Inside; you dont really care about his words and prophecy.
You dont really believe that his word is potent.
You can brush it off with ease and not feel guilty.
You belong to those prophets and pastors that will be destroyed.(jer.25). Because the land is desolate.Because God said it,and it will be done.
But that dont mean anything to you; just carry on believing
what you have been told.NO HARM WILL COME TO US.
all is fine,God is love,God loves me.I can fly ;I am spirit.
Maybe you have too much spirit; You will be charge for drunk driving.If satan is locked up for a 1000yrs;then how can he manage 7 world empires? One after the other? How can he lead the 7th and the 8th empire?
Before christ was the Roman empire; and is today the end time Roman empire.
And you say satan is in prison?? He showed Jesus his empires. His 6000yr reign will end, when he is locked up.
The earth will be at peace for 1000yrs;the Lord is in charge.wakeup.
It is better to be filled with the joy of salvation as a babe who is ignorant of their future to some extent, than be a judge and jury of such as you choose to be.Be careful lest you offend her Lord.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.Quote (Wakeup @ April 26 2013,16:16) Quote (2besee @ April 26 2013,12:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,22:22) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:17) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
2Besee.Those are all prophesies,not gospels.jesus did not do much prophesying to his apostles.
There are the 4 gospels and many prophesies.
The OT is full of prophesies.wakeup.
Wakeup,
We have all that we need too know regarding the prophecies in the New Testament, and anything from the Old Testament is only revealed to us through God not through our own understanding.
You either believe that or you do not.
2Besee.You are showing your love for God with your lips only.
Inside; you dont really care about his words and prophecy.
You dont really believe that his word is potent.
You can brush it off with ease and not feel guilty.
You belong to those prophets and pastors that will be destroyed.(jer.25). Because the land is desolate.Because God said it,and it will be done.
But that dont mean anything to you; just carry on believing
what you have been told.NO HARM WILL COME TO US.
all is fine,God is love,God loves me.I can fly ;I am spirit.
Maybe you have too much spirit; You will be charge for drunk driving.If satan is locked up for a 1000yrs;then how can he manage 7 world empires? One after the other? How can he lead the 7th and the 8th empire?
Before christ was the Roman empire; and is today the end time Roman empire.
And you say satan is in prison?? He showed Jesus his empires. His 6000yr reign will end, when he is locked up.
The earth will be at peace for 1000yrs;the Lord is in charge.wakeup.
Wakeup/Journey?
Going by a particular pattern of your posts, I am suspecting that you are, possibly, one person with a double online personality.
What you say is supposed to hurt. That is your intention, to shoot down.
As I have asked you, what do you make of these verses?
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.Rev.20:1-3
“Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain.
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.Rev 20:7-9
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them.2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote The enemy has been bound since the cross. You do not consider these verses at all, or if you do, what do they mean to you:
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”
2Bessie,Satan's house has not been plundered yet. It is still operating. Christ is coming to destroy Satan's kingdoms and operatives. We look forward to this day 2Besse.
Evil has to grow first to the maximum. Then it will be cut down. The devil has been free to do whatever he wants since the beginning. He was only kicked out of heaven after Christ's resurrection.
Satan is used as a tool. To draw the wicked to him.
The weed has to grow with the corn first. Then the harvest.Quote (2besee @ April 26 2013,14:29) Quote (Wakeup @ April 26 2013,16:16) Quote (2besee @ April 26 2013,12:07) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,22:22) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:17) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
2Besee.Those are all prophesies,not gospels.jesus did not do much prophesying to his apostles.
There are the 4 gospels and many prophesies.
The OT is full of prophesies.wakeup.
Wakeup,
We have all that we need too know regarding the prophecies in the New Testament, and anything from the Old Testament is only revealed to us through God not through our own understanding.
You either believe that or you do not.
2Besee.You are showing your love for God with your lips only.
Inside; you dont really care about his words and prophecy.
You dont really believe that his word is potent.
You can brush it off with ease and not feel guilty.
You belong to those prophets and pastors that will be destroyed.(jer.25). Because the land is desolate.Because God said it,and it will be done.
But that dont mean anything to you; just carry on believing
what you have been told.NO HARM WILL COME TO US.
all is fine,God is love,God loves me.I can fly ;I am spirit.
Maybe you have too much spirit; You will be charge for drunk driving.If satan is locked up for a 1000yrs;then how can he manage 7 world empires? One after the other? How can he lead the 7th and the 8th empire?
Before christ was the Roman empire; and is today the end time Roman empire.
And you say satan is in prison?? He showed Jesus his empires. His 6000yr reign will end, when he is locked up.
The earth will be at peace for 1000yrs;the Lord is in charge.wakeup.
Wakeup/Journey?
Going by a particular pattern of your posts, I am suspecting that you are, possibly, one person with a double online personality.
What you say is supposed to hurt. That is your intention, to shoot down.
As I have asked you, what do you make of these verses?
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.Rev.20:1-3
“Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain.
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.Rev 20:7-9
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
2Besee.1. I am wakeup,and j42 is a woman,we have the same
doctrine,excactly the same.2. The strong man will be bound when Christ takes over
control,at the coming.
3. Christ will bound him first, and then take over.
4.Christ will set up his kingdom and rule for only 1000yrs.
5.Then God will take over control,and rule forever.
6. The strong man is still roaming free today,and has been
free for 6oooyrs. he has managed to disrupt the teachings
by creating 3300 denominations.
His policy is to devide and conquer. He is managing
7world empires;and his 8th empire is now being
prepared. The nwo. all the world under satans rule.
All must worship him, or die by murder or hunger.But this
8th empire will only last 3/half yrs.7. Jesus has conquered death,by his resurrection;he can not
die anymore. We have not yet conquered death,untill our
resurrection.
8. Rev.20 is the bounding of satan at the coming.
Christ will rule without satans interference.
9. Preachings in the kingdom will cover the earth.
Then after 1000yrs satan will be let loose,to seduce
the non believers still. he will gather them to take over
the kingdom;but God will interfere,and burn them.All
the bad are dead,in the grave.
10. Now all the dead from adam to the last generation will
be judged by the books; the sheep on the right and the
goats on the left. The sheep will be changed,the goats
will be cast in the fire. Now all the bad; dead and alive
are no more. The good are all spirit now.
11. But the earth is still full of abominations,and the
heavens also;the earth needs to be cleansed also by
melting. While this is happening; all Gods children will
be in heaven,untill the earth is renewed.12. Then all will come down to the new earth which is like
heaven,and God also will dwell amongst us;we will see
him face to face. amen.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Thanks. But I did not ask for your beliefs regarding the whole doctrine, I asked for your view on the following:
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul (destroy) him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.Question: Was the Devil as according to those verses annulled and bound through the death of Jesus? Yes or No.
Quote (journey42 @ April 26 2013,17:00) The weed has to grow with the corn first. Then the harvest.
Journey,Yes.
And Satan went away.Matt 13.
The Parable of the Weeds
24He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. 26So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
(PS. The kingdom of the Father which is the eternal kingdom and this happens at the harvest.)
Quote (2besee @ April 26 2013,16:41) Wakeup, Thanks. But I did not ask for your beliefs regarding the whole doctrine, I asked for your view on the following:
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul (destroy) him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.Question: Was the Devil as according to those verses annulled and bound through the death of Jesus? Yes or No.
2Besee.You could not be bothered reading my explanations.
Because you are still heavily intoxicated.
Read it when your mind is cleared from your wine.
But some others will read.Jesus will come and bound the strong man first.
Jesus only has conquered death by his resurrection.
Death is not wholy conquered untill satan is dead.Many will come and say Lord Lord,and I will say I dont know you. Many are called but a few chosen.
You can reject that as well cause it does not sound good in your ears.Your ears are tuned to soothing sounds only.wakeup.
Wakeup, I will tell you one thing, you have not a clue what you are preaching.
You give your own twist to those scriptures and you deny what it actually says.
Read it again..
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.All that you can do is attack me who gives you the scriptures. Cut it into pieces, give your own twist, and spit venom at anyone who gets in the way. While giving your greetings to those who do not challenge you.
Quote (2besee @ April 26 2013,19:24) Good luck finding members for your group. This is a waste of my time. Bye bye.
2Besee.It is good to discuss scriptures,for this is how the scriptures will be revealed; this is how the bible will be opened instead of closed and left in the closet.
The field of wheat has been contaminated with all sorts of weeds. Lets decern between the wheat and the weeds.
Sometimes strong words are used to stirrup the relaxed spirit
All for the good.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 26 2013,19:20) Wakeup, I will tell you one thing, you have not a clue what you are preaching. You give your own twist to those scriptures and you deny what it actually says.
Read it again..
Matthew 12:29
“How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.”Hebrews 2:14
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might annul him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.All that you can do is attack me who gives you the scriptures. Cut it into pieces, give your own twist, and spit venom at anyone who gets in the way. While giving your greetings to those who do not challenge you.
2 besee,Please consider that Jesus was delivering people from the power of the devil after binding the strong man, well before Jesus went to the cross.
This is because Jesus bound the strongman in refusing his temptations, so that he was anointed by God to have power over all of the Fathers creation ( including the devil)
Christs disciples also exercised this power over the strongman by proxy but when Jesus disciples were anointed at Pentecost then they too did the same as Jesus did.
Jesus cross did not destroy satan at that time but will result in that after his use is over.
In the meantime we also exercise power over satan when we bind the strongman too.
It is the reliance on ones own self, and not on God, that causes us to be misled by satan and bound by him.
Let me remind you of that scripture as to what it actually says in Rev.ch 20.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having THE KEY of the bottomless pit and a GREAT CHAIN in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and SET A SEAL UPON HIM, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.This is not a description of the cross but is only because of it.
It is future.
Res.
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