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Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:38) [/quote] Quote The second death is permanent. Jude 1:12
These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted.
In the first resurrection, there is life. All the saints who died in Christ will be resurrected into spirit.
Can never die again.
The Israelites who are resurrected are not raised in the same way, as the saints (into spirit)
for they are only revived into FLESH,
just as Lazarus was.
But Lazarus died again,
didn't he?
So this bringing the Israelites back is not classed as a “resurrection”
like what will happen to the saints, but will happen around the same time as the first resurrection.
They will be flesh only,
big difference.The second death is JUDGEMENT DAY. (White throne judgement)
All those who did not take part in the first resurrection,
will stand before God in the 2nd resurrection.
This type of judgement is called the second death.
This is when the goats and the sheep are separated, and they will be judged according to the books.
The goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
and the sheep spared.
This judgement is called the second death.
Yes this is permament. Even death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. No more death now ever.Quote Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Exactly. If you are in the first resurrection, then you will not be standing in the 2nd resurrection waiting to be judged by the books. You have then passed judgement. Saved and judged righteous already.Quote Rev 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'
Yes this judgement is called the second death.again;
The first judgement is Christ 2nd coming and rewarding his followers at his return (first resurrection). They are Judged righteous,
and the second is where the rest will be judged according to the books.
A different judgement called the second death.
The first death is a spiritual death, and the second death is when you are gone for good, your wicked spirit and flesh body.
The angels that sinned will be finished in this judgement also.Quote Yet you say that the Jews will be resurrected from the dead in the flesh, and that they will live and die again. So, in your beliefs, they are twice dead.
Yes. But not dead the second time in the 2nd resurrection where they are thrown into the lake of fire, for they will be resurrected as spirit then. Reborn of Zion. Changed.journey42,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Doesn't make sense to me. Even family who are not amillenialists shake their head. Jeremiah 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Jeremiah 7:27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.
Jeremiah 7:28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their god, nor received correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.And I told you before, this doctrine is strange to many. It doesn't fit with all the lies they've been told.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,12:46) Zechariah 14:11 And *MAN* shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more **UTTER DESTRUCTION**; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
JERUSALEM; NOT HEAVENLY JERUSALEM,OR SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.
SAFELY INHABITED. IF THIS IS SPIRITUAL ,THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SAFETY.
Why not SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:14) As for there being no rain on those who do not worship God, Deut 11:13-22
“And if you will indeed obey my commandments that I command you today, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, he will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the Later Rain, that you may gather in your Grain and your Wine and your Oil.
Hi 2Besee,“Rain” in biblical terminology “is Doctrine”. (ref. Deuteronomy 32:2)
Those who are close-minded are not open to God's prompting!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,09:12) To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth. The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Hi 2Besee,The Earth is full of the knowledge ABOUT God only, but God's
knowledge is just NOW beginning to “Rain” down as “The Latter Rain,”
as the Prophet Elijah has announced – there is a sound of abundance of rain!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,14:59) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,12:46) Zechariah 14:11 And *MAN* shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more **UTTER DESTRUCTION**; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
JERUSALEM; NOT HEAVENLY JERUSALEM,OR SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.
SAFELY INHABITED. IF THIS IS SPIRITUAL ,THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SAFETY.
Why not SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?
EDJ.Why would spiritual jerusalem have a time limit of 1000yrs?
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,15:17) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,09:12) To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth. The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Hi 2Besee,The Earth is full of the knowledge ABOUT God only, but God's
knowledge is just NOW beginning to “Rain” down as “The Latter Rain,”
as the Prophet Elijah has announced – there is a sound of abundance of rain!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.The earth have about God only??
You are contradicting scriptures.
God said the opposite.
The shepherds have made the land *DESOLATE*
Do you know what desolate means? It does not mean full,
in abundance.
Keep on making up new songs to your own pleasure.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,17:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,14:59) Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,12:46) Zechariah 14:11 And *MAN* shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more **UTTER DESTRUCTION**; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
JERUSALEM; NOT HEAVENLY JERUSALEM,OR SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.
SAFELY INHABITED. IF THIS IS SPIRITUAL ,THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SAFETY.
Why not SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?
EDJ.Why would spiritual jerusalem have a time limit of 1000yrs?
wakeup.
Hi 2Besee,Understand that 1,000 years represents completeness, rather than an ending time-line. (ref. Eph.3:21)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,17:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,15:17) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,09:12) To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth. The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Hi 2Besee,The Earth is full of the knowledge ABOUT God only, but God's
knowledge is just NOW beginning to “Rain” down as “The Latter Rain,”
as the Prophet Elijah has announced – there is a sound of abundance of rain!God bless
Ed J
EDJ.The earth have about God only??
You are contradicting scriptures.
God said the opposite.
The shepherds have made the land *DESOLATE*
Do you know what desolate means? It does not mean full,
in abundance.
Keep on making up new songs to your own pleasure.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,You keep trying to change my words to fit into your current understanding.
Don't worry, I know it's difficult for you to understand, but in time you will.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Forget about the Jew flesh thing, it is because you can not see into the scriptures. Your words are very strong. You cannot contain it. This is what the truth does. It vexes people. You lot are vexed sore.
Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Has this happened already has it?I'm not sure if you realise, but chapter 49 is speaking to Israel. Not spiritual Israel.
I'm also not sure if you know that Israel later rejected Christ?
It's always a good thing to do some research before you debate, especially when it comes to God's word. You may be an enemy and not even realise it.Isaiah 49:1 Listen o O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; (DECLARE THIS TO THE WHOLE WORLD)
Isaiah 49:2 And he that made my mouth like a sharp sword, in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft, in his quiver hath he hid me. (JESUS SPEAKING)
Isaiah 49:3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. (CHRIST KNOWS GOD'S PLAN, THOU ART MY SERVANT, O ISRAEL)
Isaiah 49:4 then I said (CHRIST SPEAKING), I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgement is with the LORD, and my work with my God
Isaiah 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. (ISRAEL WERE NOT GATHERED TO THE LORD IN 1948, AND STILL ARE NOT, SO THIS IS NOT HISTORY)Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to ..raise up the tribes of Jacob, and ….to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light so the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. (ALTHOUGH CHRIST IS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL WERE NEVER RAISED UP BY CHRIST. THEY NEVER ACCEPTED HIM AND STILL DO NOT TO THIS DAY. THIS IS FUTURE..
Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy one, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth (THIS IS A PROPHESY, AND TRUE), to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. (HAS THIS HAPPENED EVER? BE HONEST. THIS IS A PROPHECY. THESE ARE KINGS AND PRINCES OF THE WORLD.)
Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages.
Isaiah 49:9 That thou may say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Show yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. (FUTURE. SPEAKING TO ISRAEL. THEY WILL BE LEAD TO THEM)
Isaiah 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far, and lo, these from the north and from the west, and these from the land of Sitin.
Isaiah 49:13 Sing, O heavens, and be joyhful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains; for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have merciy upon his afflicted (ISRAEL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS COMING TO THEM SHORTLY? THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS COMING FOR THEM)Isaiah 49:14 But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me (ISRAEL SPEAKING)
Isaiah 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet I will not forget thee. (SPEAKING TO ISRAEL. GOD HAS NOT FORGOTTEN THEM.)
Isaiah 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. (IT'S SET IN STONE. ISRAEL WILL RETURN TO THE LORD)Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,20:43) Hi 2Besee, Understand that 1,000 years represents completeness, rather than an ending time-line. (ref. Eph.3:21)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
“After the thousand years have ended……”
Yes I agree with you that 1000 years is not exactly 1000 years. So far it has been 2000 years. It just means a very long time, because God wishes none to perish. But… AFTER the thousand years are ended (NOW – AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME OR SOMETIME SOON) Satan will be let lose to deceive the whole world one last time but he knows his time is short, and then the end will come. The earth will be destroyed with fire, and then… well, only God knows.
Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:42) In the first resurrection, there is life. All the saints who died in Christ will be resurrected into spirit.
Can never die again.
The Israelites who are resurrected are not raised in the same way, as the saints (into spirit)
for they are only revived into FLESH,
just as Lazarus was.
But Lazarus died again,
didn't he?
So this bringing the Israelites back is not classed as a “resurrection”
like what will happen to the saints, but will happen around the same time as the first resurrection.
They will be flesh only,
big difference.The second death is JUDGEMENT DAY. (White throne judgement)
All those who did not take part in the first resurrection,
will stand before God in the 2nd resurrection.
This type of judgement is called the second death.
This is when the goats and the sheep are separated, and they will be judged according to the books.
The goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
and the sheep spared.
This judgement is called the second death.
Yes this is permament. Even death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. No more death now ever.Quote Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Exactly. If you are in the first resurrection, then you will not be standing in the 2nd resurrection waiting to be judged by the books. You have then passed judgement. Saved and judged righteous already.Quote Rev 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'
Yes this judgement is called the second death.again;
The first judgement is Christ 2nd coming and rewarding his followers at his return (first resurrection). They are Judged righteous,
and the second is where the rest will be judged according to the books.
A different judgement called the second death.
The first death is a spiritual death, and the second death is when you are gone for good, your wicked spirit and flesh body.
The angels that sinned will be finished in this judgement also.Quote Yet you say that the Jews will be resurrected from the dead in the flesh, and that they will live and die again. So, in your beliefs, they are twice dead.
Yes. But not dead the second time in the 2nd resurrection where they are thrown into the lake of fire, for they will be resurrected as spirit then. Reborn of Zion. Changed.That is so complicated!
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,12:46) Quote (Resting @ April 25 2013,08:13) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:12) Quote You say that the Jews will be brought back into the kingdom on earth in Jerusalem and that they will be taught. I say – Nowhere does it say that in scripture. Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isaiah 54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colors, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
Isaiah 54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
Isaiah 54:13 and all thy children shall be taught of the LORD, and great shall be the peace of thy children.Quote What need is there to be “taught” when everything, including knowledge, would have passed away. All that will remain is faith, hope and love, the greatest of those being love. We are being taught NOW.
Israel has to be taught Christ for they never knew him.Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth.
You are putting many scriptures referring to salvation, off from now into the millennium.What has begun in the NT church of Jesus under the new covenant, will continue on through the saints reign with their children.
Forget about the Jew flesh thing, it is because you can not see into the scriptures.
Try Zech ch 3. It is not talking about Israel of the flesh, as Rev.chs 7 -14-21 are not Israel of the flesh either.
Any Israel of the future is of all peoples who have faith in Christ and they are not into Jewishness or Judaism or returning to the OC law.
Res.
Resting.Is it because you can not fit these scriptures into your doctrine?
Zechariah 14:11 And *MAN* shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more **UTTER DESTRUCTION**; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
JERUSALEM; NOT HEAVENLY JERUSALEM,OR SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.
SAFELY INHABITED. IF THIS IS SPIRITUAL ,THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SAFETY.Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
UNSAVED GENTILES FIGHTING SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?
WARRING HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? THIS WAR IS PHYSICAL.
NOT SPIRITUAL WARFARE.Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
*IN THAT DAY*. WHAT DAY? THE DAY OF THE COMING OF THE LORD,OF COURSE.
IS THIS ALSO SPIRITUAL? EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM COMING.Zechariah 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
FIGHT AT JERUSALEM,AND THE GOLD AND SILVER WILL BE GATHERED. IS THIS SPIRITUAL WAR? SPIRITUAL GOLD AND SILVER?Zechariah 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
ARE THESE PLAGUES ALSO SPIRITUAL? OR PHYSICAL?Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the *NATIONS* which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
THOSE ATTACKERS *WILL* ALSO COME IN YEAR TO YEAR
AND WORSHIP THE KING,THE LORD OF HOST
THEY WILL BE CONVERTED DURING THE 1000YRS.
COME IN FROM **YEAR TO YEAR**.ONCE A YEAR.Zechariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of **all the families** **of the earth** unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
ALL GENTILE NATIONS THAT WILL NOT COME TO WORSHIP FROM **YEAR TO YEAR**
THERE WILL BE NO RAIN FOR THEM.
IS THIS SPIRITUAL? DO WE WORSHIP THE LORD ONLY FROM YEAR TO YEAR? LIKE CHRISTMAS?Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the *heathen* that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
EGYPT/? HEATHEN/? COMING TO JERUSALEM/?
HEATHEN COMING INTO SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Zechariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
EGYPT WILL NOT COME IN TO CELEBRATE THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, THEY WILL BE PUNISHED.
HOW CAN EGYPT AND THE HEARHEN COME INTO SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Zechariah 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
*IN THAT DAY* THAT DAY, IS THE 1000YR PERIOD
HOLYNESS IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM.
WHY IS THERE A 1000YR PERIOD? IF THIS IS HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? WHAT IS THE NEED FOR A SET TIME?Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
*IN THAT DAY* THE DAY OF CHRIST RULE.
HE HAS ONLY GIVEN A SET TIME TO RULE IN THE FIRST DOMINION:
GOD WILL RULE IN THE SECOND DOMINION:THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIST WILL BE IN ISRAEL.(THE FIRST DOMINION).
NOT IN HEAVEN. CONVERTED GENTILES CAN COME IN FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO CELEBRATE. THIS CAN NOT BE SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.wakeup.
You must have misunderstood what I said.I know about this–
Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
Zec 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of (Heavenly Jerusalem)Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD o
f hosts their God.
Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem (of stone)shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David (Jesus)and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem (Heavenly Jerusalem, the resurrected saints) do not magnify themselves against Judah.
Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; (stone)and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David (Jesus)shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. (Stone, but the saved with sinners out.)Res.
Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,18:57) Quote Forget about the Jew flesh thing, it is because you can not see into the scriptures. Your words are very strong. You cannot contain it. This is what the truth does. It vexes people. You lot are vexed sore.
Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Has this happened already has it?I'm not sure if you realise, but chapter 49 is speaking to Israel. Not spiritual Israel.
I'm also not sure if you know that Israel later rejected Christ?
It's always a good thing to do some research before you debate, especially when it comes to God's word. You may be an enemy and not even realise it.You may be an accuser of the brethren and not realize it.
Quote Isaiah 49:1 Listen o O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; (DECLARE THIS TO THE WHOLE WORLD)
Isaiah 49:2 And he that made my mouth like a sharp sword, in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft, in his quiver hath he hid me. (JESUS SPEAKING)
Isaiah 49:3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. (CHRIST KNOWS GOD'S PLAN, THOU ART MY SERVANT, O ISRAEL)
Isaiah 49:4 then I said (CHRIST SPEAKING), I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgement is with the LORD, and my work with my God
Isaiah 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. (ISRAEL WERE NOT GATHERED TO THE LORD IN 1948, AND STILL ARE NOT, SO THIS IS NOT HISTORY)Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to ..raise up the tribes of Jacob, and ….to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light so the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. (ALTHOUGH CHRIST IS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL WERE NEVER RAISED UP BY CHRIST. THEY NEVER ACCEPTED HIM AND STILL DO NOT TO THIS DAY. THIS IS FUTURE..
Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy one, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth (THIS IS A PROPHESY, AND TRUE), to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. (HAS THIS HAPPENED EVER? BE HONEST. THIS IS A PROPHECY. THESE ARE KINGS AND PRINCES OF THE WORLD.)
Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages.
Isaiah 49:9 That thou may say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Show yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. (FUTURE. SPEAKING TO ISRAEL. THEY WILL BE LEAD TO THEM)
Isaiah 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far, and lo, these from the north and from the west, and these from the land of Sitin.
Isaiah 49:13 Sing, O heavens, and be joyhful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains; for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have merciy upon his afflicted (ISRAEL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS COMING TO THEM SHORTLY? THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS COMING FOR THEM)Wrong.
Israel of the flesh, besides being a work of man, do not keep the commandments of God so they are more likely to be the persecuters themselves.
Quote Isaiah 49:14 But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me (ISRAEL SPEAKING)
Isaiah 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet I will not forget thee. (SPEAKING TO ISRAEL. GOD HAS NOT FORGOTTEN THEM.)
Isaiah 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. (IT'S SET IN STONE. ISRAEL WILL RETURN TO THE LORD)Wrong.
The Israel of God is the elect of God, the Heavenly Zion, the true church, and only in being added to that Israel by Christ can men be saved from Gods wrath.
Isaiah ch 49 refers to Heavenly Zion, not Jews of the flesh.
Your ideas are fuel for Israel of the middle east to continue with their land stealing and killing with the false churches blessing, the doctrine of which you hold to.
Res.
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Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:17) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
2Besee.Those are all prophesies,not gospels.jesus did not do much prophesying to his apostles.
There are the 4 gospels and many prophesies.
The OT is full of prophesies.wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 25 2013,20:20) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,18:57) Quote Forget about the Jew flesh thing, it is because you can not see into the scriptures. Your words are very strong. You cannot contain it. This is what the truth does. It vexes people. You lot are vexed sore.
Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Has this happened already has it?I'm not sure if you realise, but chapter 49 is speaking to Israel. Not spiritual Israel.
I'm also not sure if you know that Israel later rejected Christ?
It's always a good thing to do some research before you debate, especially when it comes to God's word. You may be an enemy and not even realise it.You may be an accuser of the brethren and not realize it.
Quote Isaiah 49:1 Listen o O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; (DECLARE THIS TO THE WHOLE WORLD)
Isaiah 49:2 And he that made my mouth like a sharp sword, in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft, in his quiver hath he hid me. (JESUS SPEAKING)
Isaiah 49:3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. (CHRIST KNOWS GOD'S PLAN, THOU ART MY SERVANT, O ISRAEL)
Isaiah 49:4 then I said (CHRIST SPEAKING), I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgement is with the LORD, and my work with my God
Isaiah 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. (ISRAEL WERE NOT GATHERED TO THE LORD IN 1948, AND STILL ARE NOT, SO THIS IS NOT HISTORY)Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to ..raise up the tribes of Jacob, and ….to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light so the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. (ALTHOUGH CHRIST IS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL WERE NEVER RAISED UP BY CHRIST. THEY NEVER ACCEPTED HIM AND STILL DO NOT TO THIS DAY. THIS IS FUTURE..
Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy one, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth (THIS IS A PROPHESY, AND TRUE), to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. (HAS THIS HAPPENED EVER? BE HONEST. THIS IS A PROPHECY. THESE ARE KINGS AND PRINCES OF THE WORLD.)
Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages.
Isaiah 49:9 That thou may say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Show yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. (FUTURE. SPEAKING TO ISRAEL. THEY WILL BE LEAD TO THEM)
Isaiah 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far, and lo, these from the north and from the west, and these from the land of Sitin.
Isaiah 49:13 Sing, O heavens, and be joyhful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains; for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have merciy upon his afflicted (ISRAEL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS COMING TO THEM SHORTLY? THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS COMING FOR THEM)Wrong.
Israel of the flesh, besides being a work of man, do not keep the commandments of God so they are more likely to be the persecuters themselves.
Quote Isaiah 49:14 But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me (ISRAEL SPEAKING)
Isaiah 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet I will not forget thee. (SPEAKING TO ISRAEL. GOD HAS NOT FORGOTTEN THEM.)
Isaiah 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. (IT'S SET IN STONE. ISRAEL WILL RETURN TO THE LORD)Wrong.
The Israel of God is the elect of God, the Heavenly Zion, the true church, and only in being added to that Israel by Christ can men be saved from Gods wrath.
Isaiah ch 49 refers to Heavenly Zion, not Jews of the flesh.
Your ideas are fuel for Israel of the middle east to continue with their land stealing and killing with the false churches blessing, the doctrine of which you hold to.
Res.
If this post does not come out right I can not fix it because I have no edit button.
Resting.I can clearly see where you are coming from.
1.The top elite are all jews.
2.The nation israel today is created by them.(all Gods plan).
3.They are called the zionist. (nothing to do with zion).
4.The *LEADERS*of israel are in bed with them,but not the people.
5.The top elite jews dont want to recognise the jewish people; but thats just a cover up.
6.They have created israel for a reason; and that is to cause trouble in the middle east.They have pumped in much money into israele defence system.
7.America,is under their rule; the reserve bank is not government,but private.
8. Their banks are all over the world nations.
9.As you were saying they will be our persecuters.
10. They are all worshipping lucifer;and they are all under his spell.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,19:17) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,16:08) Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,13:41) Quote The whole world IS full of the knowledge of God now.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.Joel 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
Joel 1:11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.
That is not the Gospel that Jesus taught. This is just an angry individual picking verses to judge the whole world with. Anyone could do that. We are not supposed to be judging we are supposed to be SAVING.
2BesseWe have to accept the whole word of God. Good and bad. Jesus came to shed light, and if we follow that light, then God will not be angry with us. God is angry with the false shepherds. These are the leaders of the churches. They have taught lies, and God is not happy with them.
God is all knowing, he knows the end in the beginning. These warnings are to show us that this is really going on. Most do not read the OT, and when they do they put it in the “history basket” so they miss out on knowing what is really going to happen. If you are walking in the light, you will know God's thoughts, God's ways, and what God is going to do. If not, you will have no idea whatsoever and are not walking in that light. The light bears all truth, good and bad.
So this angry individual is God, for it is HIS WORDS. Not mine. You take that up with him ok.
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