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Quote (abe @ April 23 2013,00:29) Quote (journey42 @ April 22 2013,23:20) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,17:32) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,17:30) Hi Wakeup, “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion
shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the
weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.This is all spiritual talk, the only physical thing about this is the scenario itself that God uses to convey truth with.
And in case you choose to disagree, consider Churches who pick up snakes in their services based on the following…“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)
Ed,Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.
Truth starts coming out of Zion now, no confusion.
The gentiles are the peoples of the nations that survived. The ones living outside of Jerusalem. The ones that will be taught by the Jews who are taught by Christ.Christ is standing for an ensign of the Jews now.
The tables are turned.
Jerusalem – City of Peace.
Hi J42,(Quote)
Of course the root of Jesse will be there. He is the one coming to collect them. This is the REST PERIOD. The enemy Satan locked away. Everybody RESTS from the enemy for a thousand years.Rev.5:3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it. 4Then I began to weep greatly because no one was found worthy to open the book or to look into it; 5and one of the elders said to me, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals.”
Do you think he overcame Death?
Peace sister.
Hi J42,Bump
Peace sister
2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote You say that the millennium is still to come when Christ and the Saints will be ruling as Kings and Priests. Well I say that Jesus and the Saints are ruling over people NOW, today.
Is that so? Then why are the saints going to get their heads chopped off?Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Christ takes authority when God says it's time. This happens at his 2nd coming when he dishes out judgement on all the kings of the earth. Last time I checked the kings of the earth are still conniving, scheming, plotting, stealing & murdering. We both worship a different Christ. My Christ will not let this happen when he is ruling, but your Christ lets this happen?
Quote You say that Christ and the Saints need people to rule over. I say, look around you. Do you doubt that Jesus and the Saints could be ruling over believers today?
Jesus rules in the hearts of the believers only, …but the scriptures say he will rule the earth on the 7th trumpet. This includes everyone, not just saints, but all nations, and people.Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Quote You say that Romans tells us that all of Israel will all be grafted back in. I say – No it does not.
Romans 11:23 And They also if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in for God is able to graft then in again.Quote Romans tells us that the Gentiles will be grafted in, but that God has not FORGOTTEN the natural Jews…. meaning – do not BOAST over those who are natural Jews, because God can just as easily cut you off. Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
You don't realise it, but you are boasting against the Jews. God says he is going to graft them in again, and you say no he is not. You are denying them what God has planned for them. God says he is going to give them mercy also, but you say no. You really need to read this again in Romans and go over it slowly so you can understand what God is saying.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Quote It means that God has not FORGOTTEN the Jews, and many Jews and Muslims will come to Christ in these end times, when the falling away occurs. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
I don't think you quite understand what the falling away is?
The churches falling away from the truth is the falling away, It's too late now for any man to enter the kingdom of heaven. The door of the ark is closed. No man can enter. Must go through the wrath now and receive all the plagues of the seven trumpets. God will use the false prophet to destroy all your pastures (churches)Joel 1:13 Gird yourselves, and lament ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the drink offering is withheld from the house of your god.
Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joel 1:16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God.
Joel 1:17 The seed is rotton under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered.
Joel 1:18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolateJeremiah 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion underfoot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.
Jeremiah 12:11 They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.
Jeremiah 12:12 the spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace
Jeremiah 12:13 They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put them selves to pan, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORDQuote Jews ARE special to God. However, salvation is in no other name, whether you are a Jew or a Gentile. Jeremiah 31:1 at the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love, therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee.
Jeremiah 31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets,a nd shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
Jeremiah 31:7 For thus saith the LORD: Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel
Jeremiah 31:8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return hither.
Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause themto walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jeremiah 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Jeremiah 31:11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
Jeremiah 31:12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for win,e and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn
2 Samuel 7:23 And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?
Quote You comment that the Jews will come back to God when Jesus returns. I say – No, it does not say that. NOW is the day of salvation. When Christ returns, the door will be CLOSED, and it is the same for everybody. God is the God of all the earth, and again, Jew or Gentile, it makes no difference to salvation. Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Quote You say that “the dead Jews will be brought out of their graves and will have flesh put back on them and that they will live again”.
God says, not me;Ezekiel 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
Quote I say – ALL of the dead will be brought back in the second resurrection, and ALL will be judged according to what they have done.
Yes, those Jews who are brought back in the flesh will die again after a ripe old age of 100 and be raised in the 2nd ressurection.Quote You say that the Jews will be brought back into the kingdom on earth in Jerusalem and that they will be taught. I say – Nowhere does it say that in scripture. Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isaiah 54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colors, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
Isaiah 54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
Isaiah 54:13 and all thy children shall be taught of the LORD, and great shall be the peace of thy children.Quote What need is there to be “taught” when everything, including knowledge, would have passed away. All that will remain is faith, hope and love, the greatest of those being love. We are being taught NOW.
Israel has to be taught Christ for they never knew him.Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth.
Quote You say that what you teach is unique and strange to us. I say – what you teach is not “strange” it is common today.
Not quite. Not one soul here has agreed with us. I do not know any christian that knows what we are telling you.Quote You say that we try to find a name for what you believe by “Googling” it. I say – you are hyperdispensationilists,
Thanks, I couldn't remember that name.Quote and going by your belief in a binity etc, I would also suspect that you are followers of one of the branches of Herbert Armstrong, or one of you has read their free booklets and magazines (Philadelphian Trumpet/Living Church of God/United Church of God/Ronald Weinland). True or False?
False. Never followed religion or their leaders, or writers of books. Only the holy scriptures. Does this sound strange to you?Quote You judge things that you know NOTHING about.
And thank you for finishing with that very bold statement.—————–
Quote If I have any errors in my understanding, then I ask Ed or somebody similar to point them out to me, because you are more understanding.
Good luck there———————————————————————-
Isaiah 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:14) Quote You say that what you teach is unique and strange to us. I say – what you teach is not “strange” it is common today.
Not quite. Not one soul here has agreed with us. I do not know any christian that knows what we are telling you.Quote You say that we try to find a name for what you believe by “Googling” it. I say – you are hyperdispensationilists,
Thanks, I couldn't remember that name.Quote and going by your belief in a binity etc, I would also suspect that you are followers of one of the branches of Herbert Armstrong, or one of you has read their free booklets and magazines (Philadelphian Trumpet/Living Church of God/United Church of God/Ronald Weinland). True or False?
False. Never followed religion or their leaders, or writers of books. Only the holy scriptures. Does this sound strange to you?Quote You judge things that you know NOTHING about.
And thank you for finishing with that very bold statement.—————–
Quote If I have any errors in my understanding, then I ask Ed or somebody similar to point them out to me, because you are more understanding.
Good luck there———————————————————————-
Isaiah 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
None have ever been born again, that is filled with the Holy Spirit, without those who already are and been joined into that same family.You really have to reconsider the chapters you are using for your interpretations.
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:12) Quote You say that the Jews will be brought back into the kingdom on earth in Jerusalem and that they will be taught. I say – Nowhere does it say that in scripture. Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isaiah 54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colors, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
Isaiah 54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
Isaiah 54:13 and all thy children shall be taught of the LORD, and great shall be the peace of thy children.Quote What need is there to be “taught” when everything, including knowledge, would have passed away. All that will remain is faith, hope and love, the greatest of those being love. We are being taught NOW.
Israel has to be taught Christ for they never knew him.Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth.
You are putting many scriptures referring to salvation, off from now into the millennium.What has begun in the NT church of Jesus under the new covenant, will continue on through the saints reign with their children.
Forget about the Jew flesh thing, it is because you can not see into the scriptures.
Try Zech ch 3. It is not talking about Israel of the flesh, as Rev.chs 7 -14-21 are not Israel of the flesh either.
Any Israel of the future is of all peoples who have faith in Christ and they are not into Jewishness or Judaism or returning to the OC law.
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:10) Quote I say – ALL of the dead will be brought back in the second resurrection, and ALL will be judged according to what they have done.
Yes, those Jews who are brought back in the flesh will die again after a ripe old age of 100 and be raised in the 2nd ressurection.
Hi Journey42,Are you claiming “two” resurrections for the Jews?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:14) Quote You say that what you teach is unique and strange to us. I say – what you teach is not “strange” it is common today.
Not quite. Not one soul here has agreed with us. I do not know any christian that knows what we are telling you.
Hi Journey42,I have heard all this stuff before too.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:14) Quote If I have any errors in my understanding, then I ask Ed or somebody similar to point them out to me, because you are more understanding.
Good luck there
Hi Journey42,Don't worry, I'm there for you too.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Resting @ April 25 2013,08:13) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,07:12) Quote You say that the Jews will be brought back into the kingdom on earth in Jerusalem and that they will be taught. I say – Nowhere does it say that in scripture. Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isaiah 54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colors, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
Isaiah 54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
Isaiah 54:13 and all thy children shall be taught of the LORD, and great shall be the peace of thy children.Quote What need is there to be “taught” when everything, including knowledge, would have passed away. All that will remain is faith, hope and love, the greatest of those being love. We are being taught NOW.
Israel has to be taught Christ for they never knew him.Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
To say the whole earth is full of the knowledge of the Lord now is against the truth.
You are putting many scriptures referring to salvation, off from now into the millennium.What has begun in the NT church of Jesus under the new covenant, will continue on through the saints reign with their children.
Forget about the Jew flesh thing, it is because you can not see into the scriptures.
Try Zech ch 3. It is not talking about Israel of the flesh, as Rev.chs 7 -14-21 are not Israel of the flesh either.
Any Israel of the future is of all peoples who have faith in Christ and they are not into Jewishness or Judaism or returning to the OC law.
Res.
Resting.Is it because you can not fit these scriptures into your doctrine?
Zechariah 14:11 And *MAN* shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more **UTTER DESTRUCTION**; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
JERUSALEM; NOT HEAVENLY JERUSALEM,OR SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.
SAFELY INHABITED. IF THIS IS SPIRITUAL ,THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SAFETY.Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
UNSAVED GENTILES FIGHTING SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?
WARRING HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? THIS WAR IS PHYSICAL.
NOT SPIRITUAL WARFARE.Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
*IN THAT DAY*. WHAT DAY? THE DAY OF THE COMING OF THE LORD,OF COURSE.
IS THIS ALSO SPIRITUAL? EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM COMING.Zechariah 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
FIGHT AT JERUSALEM,AND THE GOLD AND SILVER WILL BE GATHERED. IS THIS SPIRITUAL WAR? SPIRITUAL GOLD AND SILVER?Zechariah 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
ARE THESE PLAGUES ALSO SPIRITUAL? OR PHYSICAL?Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the *NATIONS* which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
THOSE ATTACKERS *WILL* ALSO COME IN YEAR TO YEAR
AND WORSHIP THE KING,THE LORD OF HOST
THEY WILL BE CONVERTED DURING THE 1000YRS.
COME IN FROM **YEAR TO YEAR**.ONCE A YEAR.Zechariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of **all the families** **of the earth** unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
ALL GENTILE NATIONS THAT WILL NOT COME TO WORSHIP FROM **YEAR TO YEAR**
THERE WILL BE NO RAIN FOR THEM.
IS THIS SPIRITUAL? DO WE WORSHIP THE LORD ONLY FROM YEAR TO YEAR? LIKE CHRISTMAS?Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the *heathen* that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
EGYPT/? HEATHEN/? COMING TO JERUSALEM/?
HEATHEN COMING INTO SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Zechariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
EGYPT WILL NOT COME IN TO CELEBRATE THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, THEY WILL BE PUNISHED.
HOW CAN EGYPT AND THE HEARHEN COME INTO SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Zechariah 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
*IN THAT DAY* THAT DAY, IS THE 1000YR PERIOD
HOLYNESS IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM.
WHY IS THERE A 1000YR PERIOD? IF THIS IS HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? WHAT IS THE NEED FOR A SET TIME?Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
*IN THAT DAY* THE DAY OF CHRIST RULE.
HE HAS ONLY GIVEN A SET TIME TO RULE IN THE FIRST DOMINION:
GOD WILL RULE IN THE SECOND DOMINION:THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIST WILL BE IN ISRAEL.(THE FIRST DOMINION).
NOT IN HEAVEN. CONVERTED GENTILES CAN COME IN FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO CELEBRATE. THIS CAN NOT BE SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 25 2013,14:46) Resting. Is it because you can not fit these scriptures into your doctrine?
Zechariah 14:11 And *MAN* shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more **UTTER DESTRUCTION**; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
JERUSALEM; NOT HEAVENLY JERUSALEM,OR SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.
SAFELY INHABITED. IF THIS IS SPIRITUAL ,THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SAFETY.Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
UNSAVED GENTILES FIGHTING SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?
WARRING HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? THIS WAR IS PHYSICAL.
NOT SPIRITUAL WARFARE.Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
*IN THAT DAY*. WHAT DAY? THE DAY OF THE COMING OF THE LORD,OF COURSE.
IS THIS ALSO SPIRITUAL? EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM COMING.Zechariah 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
FIGHT AT JERUSALEM,AND THE GOLD AND SILVER WILL BE GATHERED. IS THIS SPIRITUAL WAR? SPIRITUAL GOLD AND SILVER?Zechariah 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
ARE THESE PLAGUES ALSO SPIRITUAL? OR PHYSICAL?Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the *NATIONS* which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
THOSE ATTACKERS *WILL* ALSO COME IN YEAR TO YEAR
AND WORSHIP THE KING,THE LORD OF HOST
THEY WILL BE CONVERTED DURING THE 1000YRS.
COME IN FROM **YEAR TO YEAR**.ONCE A YEAR.Zechariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of **all the families** **of the earth** unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
ALL GENTILE NATIONS THAT WILL NOT COME TO WORSHIP FROM **YEAR TO YEAR**
THERE WILL BE NO RAIN FOR THEM.
IS THIS SPIRITUAL? DO WE WORSHIP THE LORD ONLY FROM YEAR TO YEAR? LIKE CHRISTMAS?Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the *heathen* that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
EGYPT/? HEATHEN/? COMING TO JERUSALEM/?
HEATHEN COMING INTO SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Zechariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
EGYPT WILL NOT COME IN TO CELEBRATE THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, THEY WILL BE PUNISHED.
HOW CAN EGYPT AND THE HEARHEN COME INTO SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM?Zechariah 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
*IN THAT DAY* THAT DAY, IS THE 1000YR PERIOD
HOLYNESS IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM.
WHY IS THERE A 1000YR PERIOD? IF THIS IS HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? WHAT IS THE NEED FOR A SET TIME?Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
*IN THAT DAY* THE DAY OF CHRIST RULE.
HE HAS ONLY GIVEN A SET TIME TO RULE IN THE FIRST DOMINION:
GOD WILL RULE IN THE SECOND DOMINION:THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIST WILL BE IN ISRAEL.(THE FIRST DOMINION).
NOT IN HEAVEN. CONVERTED GENTILES CAN COME IN FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO CELEBRATE. THIS CAN NOT BE SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM.wakeup.
Zechariah 14 is talking about the first advent of Jesus, who stood on the MT of Olives, who gave light to those who were in the dark, and living waters flowed out of Jerusalem from the Holy Spirit and into the heart, where God is known over all of the earth, and where Jerusalem now dwells in security and aloft because it is heavenly.
Hebrews 12:22
'Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to tens of thousands of angels joyfully gathered together, to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to a judge who is the God of all, to the spirits of righteous people who have been made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel’s.'
As for there being no rain on those who do not worship God,
Deut 11:13-22
“And if you will indeed obey my commandments that I command you today, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, he will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the Later Rain, that you may gather in your Grain and your Wine and your Oil.Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,09:04) Quote You say that Romans tells us that all of Israel will all be grafted back in. I say – No it does not.
Romans 11:23 And They also if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in for God is able to graft then in again.Quote Romans tells us that the Gentiles will be grafted in, but that God has not FORGOTTEN the natural Jews…. meaning – do not BOAST over those who are natural Jews, because God can just as easily cut you off. Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
You don't realise it, but you are boasting against the Jews. God says he is going to graft them in again, and you say no he is not. You are denying them what God has planned for them. God says he is going to give them mercy also, but you say no. You really need to read this again in Romans and go over it slowly so you can understand what God is saying.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
All of Israel being saved is the Church which is made up of both Jew and Gentile. Paul just got finished explaining who Israel was, and that all of Israel (those who accept Christ) will be saved. There is salvation in no other name, and it matters not what race you are.Quote You don't realise it, but you are boasting against the Jews. “Boasting against the Jews”? Both of my parents families and surnames are Jewish (Hebrew).
Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,09:10) Quote I say – ALL of the dead will be brought back in the second resurrection, and ALL will be judged according to what they have done.
Yes, those Jews who are brought back in the flesh will die again after a ripe old age of 100 and be raised in the 2nd ressurection.The second death is permanent.
Quote (2besee @ April 25 2013,15:29) Quote (journey42 @ April 25 2013,09:10) Quote I say – ALL of the dead will be brought back in the second resurrection, and ALL will be judged according to what they have done.
Yes, those Jews who are brought back in the flesh will die again after a ripe old age of 100 and be raised in the 2nd ressurection.The second death is permanent.
Jude 1:12
These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted.
Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'Yet you say that the Jews will be resurrected from the dead in the flesh, and that they will live and die again. So, in your beliefs, they are twice dead.
Doesn't make sense to me. Even family who are not amillenialists shake their head.
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