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Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,01:52) Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,23:42) EDJ. Can you show scripture that says ;we can become the word.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
[The Word's glory,] the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)“The Word”, which is God's HolySpirit, becomes flesh again and again “IN US” – the believers in God!
“What? came “The Word” of God out from you? or came it unto you only?” (1 Cor 14:36)
“So mightily grew “The Word” of God and prevailed.” (Acts 19:20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.You have failed to provide the scripture saying
we can become the word of God,or the Holy spirit.We can have the Holy spirit ,but we can not be the Holy spirit. We can not be the Word,but we can have the Word in us. This is the truth.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,03:24) EDJ. You have failed to provide the scripture saying
we can become the word of God,or the Holy spirit.wakeup.
You need to pay attention to what I actually do say!
Instead you guys seem to invent words that were never said.Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,04:35) Quote He is spirit and his flesh is also spirit,not flesh and bone.
wakeup.
There is your problem.Jesus was resurrected flesh and bone.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.OT Jews will not be raised in mortal flesh either.
No NT verses show that at all.
That strange flesh doctrine came from Russell and is propagated by Dawn bible students who deny the gifts of Christ to His Church for today.
Res.
Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,01:59) Quote (journey42 @ April 22 2013,23:46) Christ's flesh is not the word of God
Do you agree with this part?
Ed,Christ's flesh IS the Word of God. Spiritual food. Learning the will of the Father. Taking it all in. Everything. His commandments, his simple laws, his advice, his warnings, his cautions, his hidden mysteries, his encouragements, his doctrine,
Christ's sacrifice is in there. That's the starting point. First mercy, clean slate, 2nd chance,….then we must feed if we want to put on the new man. Feed on the Word, the scriptures, not men's books about the bible, or what other people are saying about the bible, but what God says himself.Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,02:06) Quote (journey42 @ April 23 2013,00:04) Ed We don't need to know what number combination adds up to what, to prove God's word is true. You are adding to the Word of God there. This is wrong. Neither do we need to know what the greek words are. God has made it possible for us to read in our own English language, and trust him, that his words are true. All the hard work was done a long time ago by men he chose. It's all his doing, for his word to reach us, we have to trust it, we don't need further proof.
If you give numbers it shows that you don't trust his words alone. It is not a good look to the skeptics, nor to the christians.
“it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” (Acts 9:5)
Ed,We don't need more proof. We already believe in his words. You somehow have to keep justifying it. Putting a number on every word. Why don't you just trust that his word is true.
Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:43) Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,04:35) Quote He is spirit and his flesh is also spirit,not flesh and bone.
wakeup.
There is your problem.Jesus was resurrected flesh and bone.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.OT Jews will not be raised in mortal flesh either.
No NT verses show that at all.
That strange flesh doctrine came from Russell and is propagated by Dawn bible students who deny the gifts of Christ to His Church for today.
Res.
Resting.Do you believe that angels are also flesh and bone?
Regarding Israel:
How would you explain Isaiah 11:6–10?
And Isaiah 65:19–25?
Please explain, and dont ignore this question like the others
have done.wakeup.
Quote OT Jews will not be raised in mortal flesh either. No NT verses show that at all.
Romans 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Romans 9:27 Isaiah also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a REMNANT shall be saved.Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am a ISRAELITE, of THE SEED OF BENJAMIN.
Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, that have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to grace.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Romans 11:8 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall savation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches, But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
Romans 11:20 Well, because of unbelief, they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high minded, but fear:.Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
The remnant (ISRAEL ONLY), are going to receive MERCY, not according to their works, for they did not know Christ.
And if they receive MERCY at the 2nd coming of Christ,
then do you think that they will just be changed to spirit, and all of a sudden have the holy spirit and know everything about Christ?
That's not how it works.
The holy spirit is the essential requirement we need to be resurrected.
Without it we are nothing but an empty shell.
They also HAVE to feed on Christ, and know him, and have the NEW COVENANT confirmed to them.
During the millennium is when they will learn.
The dead Israelites (according to election) will get a second chance. They have not the holy spirit yet, but they have to acquire it,
and it has to grow, and they will be fed truth, and this is how no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he go through Christ. He must be taught first, receive the holy spirit, and be sealed with the seal of promise.
No man can come to God any other way, not through any back door, but only through Christ.The Israelites that never knew Christ going way back, will also get a chance, What a loving God we have, rich in mercy.
But your church never taught you that did they? Too busy healing and singing hymns, and collecting money that they forgot to look into the truth. You can't find this truth in a church, only in the scriptures.
Quote (journey42 @ April 23 2013,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,01:59) Quote (journey42 @ April 22 2013,23:46) Christ's flesh is not the word of God
Do you agree with this part?
Ed,Christ's flesh IS the Word of God. Spiritual food. Learning the will of the Father. Taking it all in. Everything. His commandments, his simple laws, his advice, his warnings, his cautions, his hidden mysteries, his encouragements, his doctrine,
Christ's sacrifice is in there. That's the starting point. First mercy, clean slate, 2nd chance,….then we must feed if we want to put on the new man. Feed on the Word, the scriptures, not men's books about the bible, or what other people are saying about the bible, but what God says himself.
Hi Journey42,So when do you plan on “putting on the New Man”?
The New Man IS “The Spirit” filled believer – “The Word” made flesh.
“What? came “The Word” of God out from you? “OR” came it unto you only?” (1 Cor 14:36)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ April 23 2013,12:21) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,02:06) Quote (journey42 @ April 23 2013,00:04) Ed We don't need to know what number combination adds up to what, to prove God's word is true. You are adding to the Word of God there. This is wrong. Neither do we need to know what the greek words are. God has made it possible for us to read in our own English language, and trust him, that his words are true. All the hard work was done a long time ago by men he chose. It's all his doing, for his word to reach us, we have to trust it, we don't need further proof.
If you give numbers it shows that you don't trust his words alone. It is not a good look to the skeptics, nor to the christians.
“it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” (Acts 9:5)
Ed,We don't need more proof. We already believe in his words. You somehow have to keep justifying it. Putting a number on every word. Why don't you just trust that his word is true.
Hi Journey42,Are you accusing me of not trusting that his word is true?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,13:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:43) Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,04:35) Quote He is spirit and his flesh is also spirit,not flesh and bone.
wakeup.
There is your problem.Jesus was resurrected flesh and bone.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.OT Jews will not be raised in mortal flesh either.
No NT verses show that at all.
That strange flesh doctrine came from Russell and is propagated by Dawn bible students who deny the gifts of Christ to His Church for today.
Res.
Resting.Do you believe that angels are also flesh and bone?
Regarding Israel:
How would you explain Isaiah 11:6–10?
And Isaiah 65:19–25?
Please explain, and dont ignore this question like the others
have done.wakeup.
Wakeup, get your facts straight.
That is a request for an explanation,
not a question you want an answer to.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgjourney42,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote OT Jews will not be raised in mortal flesh either.
For all that are reading this topic, it is nothing new to us for all have rejected these scriptures.
Not one single person has ever said, yes I can see that.
If you think that we have interpreted the scriptures by our own imaginations, then one must stop and think about this;There is a millennium to come.
A thousand years of rest.
Christ and his saints will be ruling as kings and priests,
ruling over who? (this should raise some curiosity)The scriptures show us how Israel rejected Christ,
So we are shown that because they rejected their Messiah, and did not recognise him as the one they were expecting, salvation is now come to the gentiles who believe.
but Romans tells us that God has not forgotten Israel, that he has a remnant according to the election.
Romans tells us that Israel are the natural branches, but were cut off;
so that the wild branches can be grafted in. We gentiles are the wild branches.
but then God will graft back the natural branches,
so this means that Israel will come back to God.
We also know that they have not come back to God now,
and the OT gives us more details of when this will happen.
This will happen when Christ returns.
God said that he has reserved a remnant from every generation of Israel. He calls it the election of grace.
Grace now goes back to them also.
So when he gives grace to them, how is he going to do it?
Ezekiel tells us plainly how.
The dead ones will be brought out of their graves and will have FLESH put on them. Then God will breath the spirit of life back into them and they will stand up and live again.
They will be brought back into the kingdom on earth in Jerusalem and will be taught.
Is this too hard for God?
No, but to some it's too hard to imagine.
Because you were not taught this by your pastors with high degree's that they received from the world by the way, that this news is strange now? Something you never heard before. You decide to look into it and google it, and then you find that this interpretation has this name and that name attached to it. You say we belong to this group or that group? Give us a break.
We keep warning you to stay away from religion, and to search for yourselves. If we are part of any religion then our testimony has been a big fat lie. You can see we are not learned people, but simple, and it's not about us. Your doing what we are telling you not to do. Don't trust men, just go to those scriptures yourself and ask yourself lots and lots of questions. Have some curiosity and think for yourselves. If you are genuine and put the truth first, then God will see this, and he will give you the holy spirit to guide you so that you understand what he is showing.God says in OT that there will be people who will live under Christ, and a child will live a ripe old age to 100. So people will be multiplying there. Flesh multiplies, not spirit. There will be the lion eating straw, and the wolf and the lamb will lie together in peace. Nothing will hurt nor destroy in this kingdom that is coming. He also said that Israel will be teaching the nations and that many will say to an Israelite, can I come with you.
If this doesn't raise any curiosity, then you might as well close the book and go back to sleep. Those church lullabies should help rock you to sleep.It's going to be an amazing time. Many of you know nothing about this kingdom. We are here to show you that God is revealing it to us in the scriptures. The doctrine of truth should have no holes in it. From beginning to end you have to know the whole picture. This is what God wants, for us to search and he will give a little help. We should be witnessing for the truth and not against it. These events are coming soon. We will see it with our own eyes. We were warned not to boast against the natural branches, or else we might not be spared,
So put two and two together, and when you are finished drinking your bottle of milk, move on to a bit of solids,
for you should not be babies still in day care,
or your growth will be stunted.Remember God is not some sort of Santa Clause bringing lots of pressies. gimme gimme gimme. Go for truth.
You want the spiritual gifts and even believe you have them, but don't want to do the hard work. Your worship is in vain. Pure vanity. You are only glorifying yourself. Remember Satan can perform miracles also. Get out of prison, because the devil wants you there. Real power comes with truth. This will save you. The truth, the flesh of Christ.Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,15:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,13:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:43) Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,04:35) Quote He is spirit and his flesh is also spirit,not flesh and bone.
wakeup.
There is your problem.Jesus was resurrected flesh and bone.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.OT Jews will not be raised in mortal flesh either.
No NT verses show that at all.
That strange flesh doctrine came from Russell and is propagated by Dawn bible students who deny the gifts of Christ to His Church for today.
Res.
Resting.Do you believe that angels are also flesh and bone?
Regarding Israel:
How would you explain Isaiah 11:6–10?
And Isaiah 65:19–25?
Please explain, and dont ignore this question like the others
have done.wakeup.
Wakeup, get your facts straight.
That is a request for an explanation,
not a question you want an answer to.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Maybe you could explain?
I probably have to wait forever for *Resting* to explain.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion
shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the
weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.This is all spiritual talk, the only physical thing about this is the scenario itself that God uses to convey truth with.
And in case you choose to disagree, consider Churches who pick up snakes in their services based on the following…“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgResting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote There is your problem. Jesus was resurrected flesh and bone.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Should we trust you or the scriptures?
Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,17:30) Hi Wakeup, “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion
shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the
weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.This is all spiritual talk, the only physical thing about this is the scenario itself that God uses to convey truth with.
And in case you choose to disagree, consider Churches who pick up snakes in their services based on the following…“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And verse 10 refers to Jesus Christ.“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,16:25) And Isaiah 65:19–25?
Isaiah 65:19-24 cannot be easily misunderstood, because it's meaning is BOTH physical AND Spiritual.
But verse 25 presents the same problem that I have already explained to you. (go back and reread it)Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2013,22:30) Hi Wakeup, “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion
shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the
weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.This is all spiritual talk, the only physical thing about this is the scenario itself that God uses to convey truth with.
And in case you choose to disagree, consider Churches who pick up snakes in their services based on the following…“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,(Quote)
Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.Amen.
Peace brother.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Christ was raised into spirit and not flesh. He only appeared as flesh to the apostles so that they could see him, and know for sure it was him. (Not a ghost)
He didn't lie either.
He appeared as flesh to them, not as a spirit.
Spirit can manifest into flesh,
but SPIRIT IS NOT FLESH.
Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh.
FLESH cannot appear as SPIRIT….
but SPIRIT can appear as FLESH.1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
How does Christ inherit the kingdom of God then if flesh and blood cannot inherit it. We can't contradict the scriptures. They are too powerful.
Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,17:30) Hi Wakeup, “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion
shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the
weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)Yea, I know, this is yet another thing that you push off into the future
believing it's meaning is physical rather than understanding it's Spiritual.This is all spiritual talk, the only physical thing about this is the scenario itself that God uses to convey truth with.
And in case you choose to disagree, consider Churches who pick up snakes in their services based on the following…“They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;” (Mark 16:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This is a prophesy Ed. Not symbolical.
If you can't believe in the power of his words alone, then how are you going to believe the marvelous things he is going to do?
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