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bodhitharta said:
Quote First Paul says:
Romans 15:7-9 (King James Version)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Then Paul says:
Galatians 6:14-16 (King James Version)
15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Then Paul says:
Romans 3:1-3 (King James Version)
Romans 3
1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
To All,
Why would bodhitharta cite Paul as an authority when he believes that paul was a deceiver who even bragged about it.bodhitharta himself said:
Quote If you believe the bible is infallible then you must believe Paul when he says he uses deception. Jesus doesn't use deception but Paul brags about it so according to the Bible itself Paul deceives. Don't you agree with Paul? Is Paul lying about himself?
Go figure
thinker
Hi TT,
Once again you offer logic hoping it will resolve your misunderstandings.Nowhere in scripture is it stated that God is a trinity so the attempted use of this tool to help you is invalid.
God has blessed his kingly Son, the Lord Jesus with all His graces and powers and authority.
Quote (thethinker @ June 30 2009,11:11) bodhitharta said: Quote First Paul says:
Romans 15:7-9 (King James Version)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Then Paul says:
Galatians 6:14-16 (King James Version)
15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Then Paul says:
Romans 3:1-3 (King James Version)
Romans 3
1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
To All,
Why would bodhitharta cite Paul as an authority when he believes that paul was a deceiver who even bragged about it.bodhitharta himself said:
Quote If you believe the bible is infallible then you must believe Paul when he says he uses deception. Jesus doesn't use deception but Paul brags about it so according to the Bible itself Paul deceives. Don't you agree with Paul? Is Paul lying about himself?
Go figure
thinker
You didn't answer because if you did you would have to agree that Paul used deception as he stated.Hi BD,
In the grace of God in Christ, Paul used every trick to enable access to the hearts and bypass the possible obstructions to the gospel.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2009,15:55) Hi BD,
In the grace of God in Christ, Paul used every trick to enable access to the hearts and bypass the possible obstructions to the gospel.
I agree, Paul deceived for a good intention.However, God did not do away with the law according to Jesus. Paul even calls Jesus a minister of the circumcision.
bodhitharts said:
Quote However, God did not do away with the law according to Jesus. Paul even calls Jesus a minister of the circumcision. bd,
Jesus fulfilled the law in our behalf. Tis is the true gospel.thinker
Paladin wrote:
swteeros eemwn Ieesou Cristou
OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.Nope!
The correct order is:
SAVIOR OF US JESUS CHRIST
thinker
CO said:
Quote CO said:Quote
I believe this is identifying our “great God” and our “Saviour Jesus Christ” (both). Not our “great God and Saviour” (one)Heaven Net friends,
Titus 2:13 is a direct assertion that Jesus Christ is God,Quote Looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Note this grammatical rule right from the textbook,
Quote If two substantives are connected by kai and both have the article, they refer to two different persons or things; if the first has the article and the second does not, the second refers to the same person (Syntax of the New Testament Greek, University Press of America, p.76). The textbook gives Titus 2:13 as an example of this rule,
προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
I put the article which comes before “great God” in bold for you. And I also put the Greek “kai” in bold. There is no article before “Savior”. This means that the substantatives “great God” and “Savior” (Jesus Christ) are ONE AND THE SAME.
This is right from the textbook!
Yet the New World translation inserts a second definite article before the word “Savior” to make a distinction between God and Savior.
Quote While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus There is no second definite article before “Savior”. The NWT translators inserted the second article in brackets thus exposing their true agenda.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 15 2009,12:11) There is no second definite article before “Savior”. The NWT translators inserted the second article in brackets thus exposing their true agenda. thinker
What should we expect, not one of the Translators on the NWT team were Greek or Hebrew scholars? In court their main man could not even read a single verse.WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,05:02) Hi TT,
If he is God WHO is his God?[Jn20]
We have been through this before Nick. The Father was Christ's God but NOT His Lord or King. Christ has no Lord or King over Him. Christ is the “only Master and Lord (Jude 5).You yourself have said that “God” does not equal “Lord.”
thinker
Hi TT,
He has a God over him, his Father.
So his God is greater than he is.
Or do you have several gods?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 15 2009,14:28) Hi TT,
He has a God over him, his Father.
So his God is greater than he is.
Or do you have several gods?
NHCan you prove that by 1 Cor 15:28?
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,06:28) Hi TT,
He has a God over him, his Father.
So his God is greater than he is.
Or do you have several gods?
Christ's God is not His Lord or King Nick. Give scriptural proof Nick.thinker
Hi TT,
He who blesses is greater than the one blessed.[Heb7]
Our God blessed His Son Jesus in every way.
The God of Jesus is greater than Jesus.So if they are part of an imagined trinity it is inherently unstable.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,07:46) Hi TT,
He who blesses is greater than the one blessed.[Heb7]
Our God blessed His Son Jesus in every way.
The God of Jesus is greater than Jesus.So if they are part of an imagined trinity it is inherently unstable.
Where does scripture say that God “blessed” Christ?thinker
Hi TT,
Feast.
16.Matthew 21:9
The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting,”Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;Hosanna in the highest!”Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!Luke 19:38
shouting:” BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”John 12:13
took the branches of the palm trees and went out to meet Him, and began to shout, ” Hosanna! BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, even the King of Israel.”Acts 13:34
“As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: ' I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.'Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in ChristRevelation 5:12
saying with a loud voice, ” Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”Revelation 5:13
And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”MK11.9
Those who went in front and those who followed were shouting:”Hosanna! BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,08:18) Hi TT,
Feast.
16.Matthew 21:9
The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting,”Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;Hosanna in the highest!”Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!Luke 19:38
shouting:” BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”John 12:13
took the branches of the palm trees and went out to meet Him, and began to shout, ” Hosanna! BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, even the King of Israel.”Acts 13:34
“As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: ' I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.'Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in ChristRevelation 5:12
saying with a loud voice, ” Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”Revelation 5:13
And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”MK11.9
Those who went in front and those who followed were shouting:”Hosanna! BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;
Uh Nick, not one of the scriptures you gave say that God blessed Christ. In Matthew 21 and John 12 it is the people blessing Christ. In Luke it is Mary blessing her son. The Revelation passage says that He is worthy to receive blessing and honor from men which you don't do. The passage in Acts says nothing about God blessing Christ. It refers to the reward of His obedience.And you accuse others of engaging in inference. Your thinking is convoluted Nick.
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