The new worlds translation on titus 2;13

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  • #256317
    terraricca
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    KJ

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    Because the Father did not enter into human history and act. He had no personal involvement but did all things through His representative equal.

    KJ

    equal ???

    I never see that written in my bibles ,witch translation do you use ??

    Pierre

    #256331
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Aug. 18 2011,02:41)
    Mike wrote:

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    Why is it that only the Father is lacking a PERSONAL name that is NOT common to both of them?


    Because the Father did not enter into human history and act. He had no personal involvement but did all things through His representative equal.

    KJ


    Jack, you have spoken correctly that God often (but not always) does things through various representatives.  And you are correct that Jesus is one of God's many representatives.  But never has a representative OF God BEEN the God he represented.

    The very word “representative” prohibits that one from actually BEING the one he represents.

    peace,
    mike

    #256332
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2011,08:40)
    MIke………Jesus and Joshua are the exact same Name , so are we to believe the same thing for Joshua the Son of Nun ?.


    Gene,

    Do you even know what this discussion is about? I suggest you read back a few posts and find out.

    peace,
    mike

    #256526
    GeneBalthrop
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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Aug. 18 2011,19:41)
    Mike wrote:

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    Just like the common name “church”.  But Smyrna has its own PERSONAL name and so does Ephesus, right?  Why is it that only the Father is lacking a PERSONAL name that is NOT common to both of them?


    Because the Father did not enter into human history and act. He had no personal involvement but did all things through His representative equal.

    KJ


    KJ………..Surely you jest brother. “GOD who at different time spoke to us through the Prophets has in these latter days spoken to us (through) a SON”, How can you say GOD did not inter into human history and had no personal involvement, KJ he was PERSONALLY (IN) his SERVANTS including Jesus. “the father (IN) me (HE) does the works”. Come on KJ GOD the FATHER was and is Personally involved in his creations.

    peace and love…………………………………………gene

    #258050
    Is 1:18
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    Quote (princess @ Aug. 14 2011,11:31)
    One cannot really hold the jesus is god believers accountable for the actions, they are catholic in nature, most likely have fish or crosses, perhaps the last supper icons floating around somewhere or other in their lives, hard to tell, however their heart belongs to the catholic church hands down no matter how hard they try to say the don't.

    Their god bleeds then plays possum to show proof that he raised himself from the dead, talks to himself, prays to himself, is his own father, plays the role of a human, then calls out to himself when he is raised on a stake wondering why he forsook himself, lies to everyone when he tells them to ask for things in his name, decides that when he is back in spirit form that the father who really wasn't god, just a pretend god to cover his tracks on earth, he then kicks the kingdom right out under this pretend gods feet and takes it over himself, taking all the spoils with him.

    Perhaps the 'church fathers' had to play a constatine (who by the way made a great political move), and find a way to have close to the same gods as other did, however, this god needed to be greater then all the other gods that were made available at the time, and the only way to increase a gods status was to add others to it making it one big god.

    So now we have this egotisical, self loathing, theif, liar of a god, and with the world as it is today, most would think this god is really cool, and would not mind a bit following his ways, it is always good to have the gods on your side, makes a person warm and fuzzy. However, I will say, this gods followers do not disappoint, they represent their god to the fullest, being egotisical, self loathing, theives and liars to the fullest. Take the prior posts for example.

    Truly, one must be 'nuts' to follow such gods.


    This is a truly foolish post. All you've done here is build a straw man and then knock it down. Your post attacks the modalistic position yet it's directed at trinitarians. Before you post in ignorance like this again, learn the fundamentals of the theological position you're attacking.

    #258086
    GeneBalthrop
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    Isa 1:18……………Good to hear from you again, Hay have you been following our discussions on the “INCARNATION ” Thread read what Paladin has posted and see what you think brother.

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene

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