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Quote (942767 @ May 10 2013,05:28) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,02:46) Marty. Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:This is what this commentary states relative to the verses that you have quoted out of Jeremiah states:
The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah
Commentary by A. R. FAUSSET
CHAPTER 31Quote 28. ( Jer 44:27 ). The same God who, as it were (in human language), was on the watch for all means to destroy, shall be as much on the watch for the means of their restoration. 29. In those days–after their punishment has. been completed, and mercy again visits them.
fathers . . . eaten . . . sour grape . . . children's teeth . . . on edge–the proverb among the exiles' children born in Babylon, to express that they suffered the evil consequences of their fathers' sins rather than of their own ( Lam 5:7 Eze 18:2, 3 ).And then we have the new covenant promised by God:
Quote Jer 31:31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi marty.I know those scriptures.
In the 1000yr kingdom,knowledge on earth will be as the sea cover the earth. This is the time when all will know the Lord,even the least of them.God says that the children will cover their own sins.These could be grown ups only.What about babies?
I am still searching about babies;for they have not sinned,although we are all born with sin, from Adam.
Although God knows how every baby will grow up to be;but still; that little baby has not performed,and done anything.Jesus ones said;that the kingdom of God consist of all these little children. Is it only possible that all the dead babies will be resurrected in the flesh also,and then taught.For all must go through Christ.(this is still a puzzle to me).
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
You say:
Quote God says that the children will cover their own sins. Where does God say this?
Children are the responsibility of their parents. Therefore, children of unsaved parents will die physically but no, they will not be judged. The parents will be judged and destroyed according to their works. The children of unsaved parents will not be saved.
Children of saved parents will be saved if they should die while they are yet children under the authority of their parents. They are part of the body of Christ under the law of their parents. Saved parents are charged by God to bring up thier children in the admonition of the Lord. Ephesians 6 states:
Quote h 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Eph 6:2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—
Eph 6:3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.” [fn]
Eph 6:4 Fathers, [fn] do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
But no, Wakeup we were not all born in sin. We were all born as infants in innocence, just as Jesus was born in innocence.
Sin is defined as the transgression of the Law:
Quote 1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And so, how many infants do you know that have transgressed the Law? The scripture states that all of humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that is true.
Isaiah 53 states:
Quote Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. And so, yes, although we all were born as infants in innocence including Jesus, all of us have been tempted and have sinned except Jesus.
And relative to this scripture to the following scripture:
Quote Luk 18:16 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Luk 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
And so, he is not literally speaking of little children making up the kingdom of God, but is using them as an example saying that unless someone receives the kingdom of God as a little child, that is in the humility and the trust of a little child, they will not enter the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I understand what you are saying,
but how, and when, will they be taught Christ.
Since all must go through Christ.
*No man can come to the Father but by me*.
Those children must also go through Christ.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,08:55) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I understand what you are saying,
but how, and when, will they be taught Christ.
Since all must go through Christ.
*No man can come to the Father but by me*.
Those children must also go through Christ.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The children of saved parents are to teach their children. Me has the husband of my wife have the responsibility of teaching her the Word of God, and so, Jesus is teaching my wife and my children through me and my wife.
Those under the Law of Moses were taught the Word of God, the Law through Moses, and the children of those under the Law were taught by their parents. They have not been born again, but will be when Jesus comes for the church. They will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. This will be their born again experience. The blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of those who were faithful under the Law of Moses prior to his ministry on earth, as well as all who come to God through him from his ministry until the end.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2013,09:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,08:55) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I understand what you are saying,
but how, and when, will they be taught Christ.
Since all must go through Christ.
*No man can come to the Father but by me*.
Those children must also go through Christ.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The children of saved parents are to teach their children. Me has the husband of my wife have the responsibility of teaching her the Word of God, and so, Jesus is teaching my wife and my children through me and my wife.
Those under the Law of Moses were taught the Word of God, the Law through Moses, and the children of those under the Law were taught by their parents. They have not been born again, but will be when Jesus comes for the church. They will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. This will be their born again experience. The blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of those who were faithful under the Law of Moses prior to his ministry on earth, as well as all who come to God through him from his ministry until the end.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.How can you teach babies that died very early?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,11:31) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,09:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,08:55) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I understand what you are saying,
but how, and when, will they be taught Christ.
Since all must go through Christ.
*No man can come to the Father but by me*.
Those children must also go through Christ.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The children of saved parents are to teach their children. Me has the husband of my wife have the responsibility of teaching her the Word of God, and so, Jesus is teaching my wife and my children through me and my wife.
Those under the Law of Moses were taught the Word of God, the Law through Moses, and the children of those under the Law were taught by their parents. They have not been born again, but will be when Jesus comes for the church. They will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. This will be their born again experience. The blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of those who were faithful under the Law of Moses prior to his ministry on earth, as well as all who come to God through him from his ministry until the end.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.How can you teach babies that died very early?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:If they died as a baby in innocence before they were corrupted by sin, then they will be raised from the dead in that innocence in the resurrection. Theywould be like Adam and Eve before they sinned, knowing neither good or evil.
They cannot be influenced by the devil in the Kingdom of God because he will be bound for 1000 years, and therefore, they can only be influenced or taught by God's people in the Kingdom.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:27) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,11:31) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,09:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,08:55) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I understand what you are saying,
but how, and when, will they be taught Christ.
Since all must go through Christ.
*No man can come to the Father but by me*.
Those children must also go through Christ.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The children of saved parents are to teach their children. Me has the husband of my wife have the responsibility of teaching her the Word of God, and so, Jesus is teaching my wife and my children through me and my wife.
Those under the Law of Moses were taught the Word of God, the Law through Moses, and the children of those under the Law were taught by their parents. They have not been born again, but will be when Jesus comes for the church. They will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. This will be their born again experience. The blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of those who were faithful under the Law of Moses prior to his ministry on earth, as well as all who come to God through him from his ministry until the end.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.How can you teach babies that died very early?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:If they died as a baby in innocence before they were corrupted by sin, then they will be raised from the dead in that innocence in the resurrection. Theywould be like Adam and Eve before they sinned, knowing neither good or evil.
They cannot be influenced by the devil in the Kingdom of God because he will be bound for 1000 years, and therefore, they can only be influenced or taught by God's people in the Kingdom.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martywould those baby's not be part of all other dead that are part of the second resurrection of judgement
Hi Pierre:
No, the 2nd resurrection as I understand it, is for those who have died in their sins who have not been judged.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ May 13 2013,08:25) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:27) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,11:31) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,09:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,08:55) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,07:17) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,18:04) Marty. I agree that we all must be as little children to enter the kingdom.
There are children as young babies;and there are children as grown up children.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
EVERY ONE SHALL DIE FOR HIS OWN INIQITY.
This counts for the grown up children(juveniles).But babies have not done anything wrong;so on what bases will they be judged? This is my question.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I have already answered that question. Babies will not be judged. They are the responsibility of thier parents, and they are under the law of their parents.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.I understand what you are saying,
but how, and when, will they be taught Christ.
Since all must go through Christ.
*No man can come to the Father but by me*.
Those children must also go through Christ.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The children of saved parents are to teach their children. Me has the husband of my wife have the responsibility of teaching her the Word of God, and so, Jesus is teaching my wife and my children through me and my wife.
Those under the Law of Moses were taught the Word of God, the Law through Moses, and the children of those under the Law were taught by their parents. They have not been born again, but will be when Jesus comes for the church. They will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. This will be their born again experience. The blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of those who were faithful under the Law of Moses prior to his ministry on earth, as well as all who come to God through him from his ministry until the end.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.How can you teach babies that died very early?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:If they died as a baby in innocence before they were corrupted by sin, then they will be raised from the dead in that innocence in the resurrection. Theywould be like Adam and Eve before they sinned, knowing neither good or evil.
They cannot be influenced by the devil in the Kingdom of God because he will be bound for 1000 years, and therefore, they can only be influenced or taught by God's people in the Kingdom.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martywould those baby's not be part of all other dead that are part of the second resurrection of judgement
MartyAre we not born in sin
And with sin Hi Pierre:
The answer to that is no, we were not born in sin. I have already answered this in my responses to Wakeup. Please read what I said to him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2013,13:36) Hi Pierre: No, the 2nd resurrection as I understand it, is for those who have died in their sins who have not been judged.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Since adam sinned,man has gone their own way,led by satan.
And has gone in many directions.
Little children has the ability to lie.
But how would God judge a babie that is born in a hindu family?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,15:56) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,13:36) Hi Pierre: No, the 2nd resurrection as I understand it, is for those who have died in their sins who have not been judged.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Since adam sinned,man has gone their own way,led by satan.
And has gone in many directions.
Little children has the ability to lie.
But how would God judge a babie that is born in a hindu family?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scriptures state that “all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, and that is “true”, but no, sin is defined “as the transgression of the law”, and I know no infant who has transgress the law, and therefore, I conclude that we as infants were not born in sin.
Babies will not be judged, the parents will be judged since they are responsible for the children. If a Hindu baby dies as a baby, the baby will not be raised from the dead. It is dead that is the end for it.
Catholic baptize infants because they promote the doctrine that since the fall of Adam all infants were born in sin, that it passed to us through our parents, but then since they have to acknowledge that Jesus was not born in sin, then they try to compensate by saying that the virgin Mary was sinless, and that is not consistent with the scripture that states “all men have sinned”.
Isaiah 53 states:
Quote Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 19 2013,10:47) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,15:56) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,13:36) Hi Pierre: No, the 2nd resurrection as I understand it, is for those who have died in their sins who have not been judged.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Since adam sinned,man has gone their own way,led by satan.
And has gone in many directions.
Little children has the ability to lie.
But how would God judge a babie that is born in a hindu family?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scriptures state that “all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, and that is “true”, but no, sin is defined “as the transgression of the law”, and I know no infant who has transgress the law, and therefore, I conclude that we as infants were not born in sin.
Babies will not be judged, the parents will be judged since they are responsible for the children. If a Hindu baby dies as a baby, the baby will not be raised from the dead. It is dead that is the end for it.
Catholic baptize infants because they promote the doctrine that since the fall of Adam all infants were born in sin, that it passed to us through our parents, but then since they have to acknowledge that Jesus was not born in sin, then they try to compensate by saying that the virgin Mary was sinless, and that is not consistent with the scripture that states “all men have sinned”.
Isaiah 53 states:
Quote Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Jesus was not born with sin because he was sanctified from the womb.
A hindu baby will still be resurrected at the 2nd resurrection.
For all men must stand before the Lord and judged.Since Adam and Eve sinned; mankind have been contaminated with a decease; a spiritual decease.
And the children have that same decease when born.And the cure is Christ.
wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,09:33) Hi Pierre: The answer to that is no, we were not born in sin. I have already answered this in my responses to Wakeup. Please read what I said to him.
Love in Christ,
Marty
martyRO 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ro 3:4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written:
“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”if men as no truth in him then he as to learn it and so men goes from being a sinner to become a righteous providing that he stay in God's way,
sin is define as not being righteous ,wen the knowledge of good and bad or more like truth and lies enter the world of men it does not matter ;sinner from then on could not produce an offspring that would be righteous in truth of God ,
SO ALL HAVE SIN ,IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT HIS A CHILD OR NOT ;
THE LAW OF GOD WAS GIVEN TO ISRAEL BECAUSE THE PROMISE TO ABRAHAM THE MAN OF FAITH,
I STILL QUESTIONING , IF AN INFANT STILL NOT BORN IS INNOCENT AND CAN VOID THE SINFUL NATURE OF HIS PARENTS FOR THE WAY HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THEM IN SIN .
QUESTION;HOW CAN SINNERS PRODUCE AN SINLESS CHILD ???IMPOSSIBLE
THIS WOULD MEAN THAT A BAD TREE CAN PRODUCE A GOOD FRUIT,?HUMMMTHEIR IS NO WAY OTHER TO BECOME FREE FROM SIN THAN BY FAITH IN CHRIST AND HIS GOD AND FATHER ,
Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2013,01:36) Quote (942767 @ May 19 2013,10:47) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,15:56) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2013,13:36) Hi Pierre: No, the 2nd resurrection as I understand it, is for those who have died in their sins who have not been judged.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Since adam sinned,man has gone their own way,led by satan.
And has gone in many directions.
Little children has the ability to lie.
But how would God judge a babie that is born in a hindu family?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scriptures state that “all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, and that is “true”, but no, sin is defined “as the transgression of the law”, and I know no infant who has transgress the law, and therefore, I conclude that we as infants were not born in sin.
Babies will not be judged, the parents will be judged since they are responsible for the children. If a Hindu baby dies as a baby, the baby will not be raised from the dead. It is dead that is the end for it.
Catholic baptize infants because they promote the doctrine that since the fall of Adam all infants were born in sin, that it passed to us through our parents, but then since they have to acknowledge that Jesus was not born in sin, then they try to compensate by saying that the virgin Mary was sinless, and that is not consistent with the scripture that states “all men have sinned”.
Isaiah 53 states:
Quote Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Jesus was not born with sin because he was sanctified from the womb.
A hindu baby will still be resurrected at the 2nd resurrection.
For all men must stand before the Lord and judged.Since Adam and Eve sinned; mankind have been contaminated with a decease; a spiritual decease.
And the children have that same decease when born.And the cure is Christ.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:What do you mean, Jesus was sactified from the womb. Was he not born of woman just as any other child?
But you are correct in saying that sin is a spiritual matter, and since it is a spiritual matter, that cannot be inherited from the parents.
Again, ths scriptures state that “sin is the transgression of the law”, and if that is the definition for sin, please show me an infant that has transgressed the law.
When children go out into the world at some point in their life, as teenagers, or adults or at any point in their life, they will be tempted by the devil and they will sin. The scriptures state “that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, and that is true, and the remedy is a born again experience and a relationship with God through the Lord Jesus.
Love in Christ,
Marty.Hi Pierre:
Please read what I have stated to wakeup, and then if you still have a question, ask. I don't want to have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 04 2013,04:22) Hi Pierre: Please read what I have stated to wakeup, and then if you still have a question, ask. I don't want to have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyI have read it but it does not answers my questions,this is why I ask you
The sin of Adam ,as given us all ,dead if we would be innocent we would not die or be condemn to die so what is wrong in your logic
But you know you do not have to answer me ,Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,12:18) Quote (942767 @ June 04 2013,04:22) Hi Pierre: Please read what I have stated to wakeup, and then if you still have a question, ask. I don't want to have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyI have read it but it does not answers my questions,this is why I ask you
The sin of Adam ,as given us all ,dead if we would be innocent we would not die or be condemn to die so what is wrong in your logic
But you know you do not have to answer me ,
Hi Pierre:The scripture states that by “One man”, that is Adam, sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and death passed upon all men, because all men have sinned, and that is where the condemnation comes in. We, all of humanity at some point in our lives have sinned, but an infant has not sinned. Sin is defined as the transgression of the law, and as you say all unrighteousness is sin, but no baby has committed any type of unrighteousness. All a baby know to do is cry when it needs its parents attention for its needs.
A baby can inherit some things that are in the parents blood, but sin is a spiritual matter. One is born into a world where sin abides, and at some point one will sin.
Here is the scripture that referenced:
Quote Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote 1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. How does one know that he has sinned?
Quote Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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