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- April 14, 2013 at 1:29 am#341790942767ParticipantApril 16, 2013 at 2:07 pm#341964WakeupParticipant
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2013,12:29)
942767.The nation of israel today is prohecy fulfilled,
but this is only the *FIRST* gathering of israel.
There is a *SECOND* gathering coming,then israel will dwell in peace.wakeup.
April 18, 2013 at 8:09 pm#342164942767ParticipantHi Wakeup:
The point of posting this documentary is to show that there was no way for the Israel to exist as a nation except that God was in the works. It is indeed the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Hopefully, the skeptics that have visited this sight will know that God is a reality by virtue of this fact.
What I understand is that on the agenda next is that those nations mentioned in Ezekiel 37 will come against Israel, and God will intervene. Following this, there will be a seven year peace treaty, and Israel will rebuild the temple and begin offering animal sacrifices. Midway through this 7 year period, the Anti-Christ will stop them from offering animal sacrifices, and 1290 days from this point he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God. The great tribulation will begin at this point, and 45 days later the body of Christ will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Those alive and in their sins will be judged by the seven last plagues at this time.
Daniel 9:
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolateDaniel 12:
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
Matthew 24:
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Revelation 15:
15 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.
Revelation 16:
2 So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
Love in Christ,
MartyApril 18, 2013 at 9:58 pm#342172Ed JParticipantHi Marty,
Yea, that's a Good movie; I seen it before, but thanks for posting it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgApril 19, 2013 at 10:49 pm#342287WakeupParticipantQuote (942767 @ April 19 2013,07:09) Hi Wakeup: The point of posting this documentary is to show that there was no way for the Israel to exist as a nation except that God was in the works. It is indeed the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Hopefully, the skeptics that have visited this sight will know that God is a reality by virtue of this fact.
What I understand is that on the agenda next is that those nations mentioned in Ezekiel 37 will come against Israel, and God will intervene. Following this, there will be a seven year peace treaty, and Israel will rebuild the temple and begin offering animal sacrifices. Midway through this 7 year period, the Anti-Christ will stop them from offering animal sacrifices, and 1290 days from this point he will set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God. The great tribulation will begin at this point, and 45 days later the body of Christ will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Those alive and in their sins will be judged by the seven last plagues at this time.
Daniel 9:
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolateDaniel 12:
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
Matthew 24:
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Revelation 15:
15 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.
Revelation 16:
2 So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi marty.The coming does not happen *BEFORE* the 7trumpets.
The 6trumpets must sound first ,and then the 7th trumpet will sound. This is the coming.(last trump).The 6th trumpet is the gathering of the armies to a place called Megiddo. Then the 7th trumpet which is the coming.
But before the gathering of the armies,there is the standing up of the kings of the east,the Medes and allies.marching towards the west (jerusalem).
This is the war of man against man; the 3rd ww.Then the appearing,and they will gather at Megiddo to make war with the lord.Christ will appear at the 7th trumpet and stayed in the air,
to give them enough time to gather together into one place called Megiddo; this is the battle of armageddon,the battle of Christ against man.This battle will only take one day.So at the sound of the 6th trumpet;two things will happen,
1. The kings of the north will come and occupy jerusalem.
The dome is destroyed; he will set up his temple.
The Medes and allies will march west into Jerusalem.
This is the *3RD WW*.(man against man).At the sound of the 7th trumpet is the appearing of the Lord
in the air. Both armies will *join together* to war against the Lord;this is the battle of *ARMAGEDDON*.SO AT THE 6TH TRUMPET.
1. THE WAR OF MAN AGAINST MAN.(EAST AGAINST NORTH).
(NORTH;WE CALL THE WESTERN ARMY TODAY).THE 7TH TRUMPET;THE GATHERING OF BOTH SIDES TO ONE PLACE.(MEGIDDO).
2.THE WAR OF THE LORD AGAINST MAN.(THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON).wakeup.
April 20, 2013 at 6:52 pm#342395942767ParticipantHi Wakeup:
I agree with you here:
Quote Hi marty. The coming does not happen *BEFORE* the 7trumpets.
The 6trumpets must sound first ,and then the 7th trumpet will sound. This is the coming.(last trump).Love in Christ,
MartyApril 20, 2013 at 7:08 pm#342396942767ParticipantHi Wakeup:
I believe that you are confusing the seven trumpets and the seven last plagues.
Quote Rev 15:1 ¶ And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Quote Rev 16:2 ¶ And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image. Quote Rev 16:12 ¶ And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Love in Christ,
MartyApril 21, 2013 at 12:30 am#342407WakeupParticipantQuote (942767 @ April 21 2013,06:08) Hi Wakeup: I believe that you are confusing the seven trumpets and the seven last plagues.
Quote Rev 15:1 ¶ And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Quote Rev 16:2 ¶ And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image. Quote Rev 16:12 ¶ And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank you Marty.The 7 trumpets are also the 7vials.
Just picture 7 angels;each with a trumpet in his right hand,
and a vial in his left hand.He sounds the trumpet;and pours out the vial.
There are only 7 angels ;and not more.Rev.10:7. But in the days of the voice of the *7th angel*,
when he shall begin to sound.The mystery of God should be *FINISHED*,as he had declared to his servants the prophets.
The7th trumpet,*IS THE FINISH*.greetings.
wakeup.
April 21, 2013 at 1:01 am#342412WakeupParticipantMarty.
Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
THE PASTORS ARE NOT IN FAVOUR IN THE LORDS EYES.
THEY HAVE SCATTERED THE SHEEP.Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
THE LORD WILL VISIT THE EVIL OF THE PASTORS DOINGS.
Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
THIS WILL BE THE 2ND GATHERING OF ISRAEL,AND THEY SHALL BE FRUITFUL AND INCREASE.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
THEY WILL HAVE NO FEAR,FOR THE LORD WILL FEED THEM
WITH THE TRUTH.Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
JESUS WILL REIGN WITH JUSTICE.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall *dwell safely*: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
THEY SHALL DWELL SAFELY;ONLY THEN WILL THEY DWELL SAFELY.(THE SECOND GATHERING).
Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
THEY WILL COME FROM ALL COUNTRIES,AND DWELL IN THEIR OWN LAND,AND LIVE IN PEACE.
iSRAEL TODAY IS DEFENITELY NOT LIVING IN PEACE,BUT WAR.I will post the first gathering,so you can tell the difference.
wakeup.
April 21, 2013 at 1:20 am#342414WakeupParticipantMarty.
Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. (israel).
HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE:
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; ***and after will I send for many hunters***, **and they shall *hunt* them from every mountain**, and from every hill**, **and out of the holes of the rocks**. *(THEY WILL BE HUNTED DOWN)*
Jeremiah 16:17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes. *(GOD IS WATCHING THEIR WAYS)*.
Jeremiah 16:18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
*THIS IS ISRAEL AS IT IS TODAY*Jeremiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the **Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth**, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. *( THE GENTILES WILL COME FROM THE NORTH;THE NORTHERN ARMIES. WE CALL IT TODAY THE WESTERN ARMEIS)*.(JER.25:29).
Jeremiah 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods? (WORSHIPPING THINGS MADE BY MANS HANDS; (* MATERIAL THINGS)*.
THIS IS THE *FIRST* GATHERING; ISRAEL TODAY.
Can you tell the difference?
wakeup.
April 21, 2013 at 1:28 am#342416942767ParticipantHi Wakeup:
The seven trumpets are judgments from God mingled with mercy. The seven last plagues are vials of the wrath of God on those who have received the mark of the beast.
These are the trumpets:
Quote Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. And it is during the sixth trumpet that the two witnesses will be preaching and will be killed and resurrected and then the seventh trumpet will sound at which time the Lord will come.
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Rev 9:12 One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 ¶ And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Quote Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
When God has done everything within His power including these six trumpets which I said are judgments mingled with mercy, and there are still those who fail to repent. Then the seventh trumpet will sound and the Lord will come for the church.
Quote Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Quote Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Quote 1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Love in Christ,
MartyApril 21, 2013 at 3:06 am#342432WakeupParticipantHi Marty.
I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
April 21, 2013 at 5:59 pm#342513942767ParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Yes, the seven last plagues which will be judgments rendered on those who have not repented, and have received the mark of the beast, and are alive when he comes for the church.
Quote Rev 15:1 ¶ And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Once someone has received the mark of the beast there is no more mercy.
Love in Christ,
MartyApril 21, 2013 at 6:13 pm#342515942767ParticipantHi Wakeup:
The seven last plagues are the vials of the wrath of God to poured out on those who recieve the Mark of the beast:
Quote Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Quote 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Love in Christ,
MartyApril 22, 2013 at 12:41 am#342530WakeupParticipantHi marty.
You are so very close; except one thing.
There are TWO WARS,during the 6th trumpet and the 7th trumpet.1.The war of man against man.(3rd ww).
2.The war of Christ against man.(armageddon).
Let me explain:Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.TWO WOES=THE 6TH TRUMPET AND THE 7TH TRUMPET.
(2nd woe):
Revelation 9:13 And the *sixth* angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,Revelation 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE ARE ANGELS THAT ARE BOUND; LET LOOSE.
Revelation 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. THESE ARE ARMIES OF MEN.
Revelation 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of *fire*, and of jacinth, and *brimstone*: and the heads of the horses were as the *heads of lions*; and out of their mouths issued **fire and smoke and brimstone**.
THESE ARE HARDWARES OF WAR.MENS WAR.Revelation 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. THE THIRD PART OF MEN WERE KILLED BY THESE IMPLEMENTS OF WAR.
Revelation 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.THESE ARE STILL IMPLEMENTS OF WAR.
Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. DESPITE THE MANY KILLED; MEN HAVE NOT TURNED TO GOD,STILL. THEY STILL WORSHIP THEIR GOODS AND RICHES.
NOW COME THE THIRD WOE; THE 7TH TRUMPET:
CHRIST WILL APPEAR IN THE CLOUDS; AND BOTH SIDES
WILL JOIN FORCES TO WAR AGINST THE LORD.They gather themselves together in a place called Megiddo.THIS IS THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON,THIS IS WHEN BABYLON THE GREAT WILL BE DESTROYED IN **ONE DAY**.
***************Regarding them that have received the mark;
their place will be in the 2nd resurrection.
God also knows that they have been deceived and forced.
Not all christians have the same strength in faith;this depends on how they have worshipped Christ in their christian life.
They will be judged not by their faith in Christ;but by their deeds.greetings.
wakeup.April 22, 2013 at 1:29 am#342539942767ParticipantHi Wakeup:
You may be right about a war between men, but no, I do not believe that God would judge those who have received the mark of the beast by the seven last plagues and then raise them again from the dead to be judged again, the 2nd resurrection is for those who have died in their sins prior to His coming for the church. They will be judged according to their works, and destroyed in the second death. Jesus died the first death or spiritual separation from God (men spiritually separated from God because of sin), and the 2nd death is eternal separation from God, which those who have not repented will die for themselves in the lake of fire. The seven last plagues are the lake of fire for those who are alive and in their sins when Jesus come for the church.
Quote Rev 19:11 ¶ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 ¶ And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Love in Christ,
MartyApril 22, 2013 at 5:30 am#342559WakeupParticipantMarty.
Are you saying that the second resurrection is at the coming?
I recommend you to read rev.20.At the second coming, satan was not cast in the fire.(rev.19:20).
This will only happen after the 1000yrs are expired.(rev20:10).wakeup.
April 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm#342589RestingParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
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April 23, 2013 at 1:41 am#342633WakeupParticipantQuote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
April 23, 2013 at 3:14 am#342647RestingParticipantQuote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
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