The napkin

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54)

My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg

Hi Georg,

Interesting story but not even close.

Here is the account…

John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto
them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes,
but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple,
which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

I will now tell you all the real story.

What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”.

This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with.
Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact,
Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up!
He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD!

You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ?

I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

edj

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[KangarooJack]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2010,15:16)

thethinker, it cracks me up that you have that name.

t8,

You seem so against tradition. Yet when I challenge traditional beliefs you won't consider what I say. There is no evidence in the narrative that Jesus passed through His graveclothes. It is assumed without any evidence. There were two “men” in the tomb when the disciples arrived. So one of them could have folded the napkin.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 05 2010,15:29)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,08:33) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,23:12) thinker First of all, I did not write the article, although I wish I had. And then this is what it says Jhn 20:7   And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.   It is biblical, but that doesn't matter with you does it. Why don't you read the article again, and see what it is really saying, and don't read it with anger in your heart. Georg Georg, What do you mean “it's biblical?” The narrative is about a GRAVE cloth and not a table napkin. I don't need to read the article again. I have studied all this stuff already. The narrative CLEARLY says that the disciples believed that Jesus rose from the dead when they saw the head cloth folded. That's it! No need to impose tradition about folded table napkins and infer something about His second coming. The article says that the master folded the table cloth signifying that he was going to return to the table. But Jesus did not fold His head cloth. His “butlers” folded it when they removed His graveclothes. These “butlers” were the two angels in human form (Luke 24:4). These “men” were already in the tomb when the disciples entered. What had they been doing in the tomb previously Georg? I'll tell you. They loosed Jesus from His graveclothes and then folded them. The master folded his napkin signifying that he would return to the table. SO IF JESUS FOLDED HIS HEAD CLOTH IT WOULD HAVE SIGNIFIED THAT HE WAS RETURNING TO THE TOMB. DID JESUS RETURN TO THE TOMB GEORG? thinker thinker? Look, if you can't go through the wall, go around it, you're the thinker, can't you figure that out; or do you do “for” the headache? Georg

Georg,

Yes I am thethinker. That's why I must require proof from the narrative that Jesus passed through His graveclothes and folded His head cloth. He could have made a donkey appear so He could ride into Jerusalem. But He didn't. In His earthly life others provided for Him by ordinary means. The two men in the tomb unwrapped Him and gave Him a set of clothes to wear. He ALWAYS used others to provide for Him through ORDINARY MEANS.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 05 2010,15:29)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,08:33) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,23:12) thinker First of all, I did not write the article, although I wish I had. And then this is what it says Jhn 20:7   And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.   It is biblical, but that doesn't matter with you does it. Why don't you read the article again, and see what it is really saying, and don't read it with anger in your heart. Georg Georg, What do you mean “it's biblical?” The narrative is about a GRAVE cloth and not a table napkin. I don't need to read the article again. I have studied all this stuff already. The narrative CLEARLY says that the disciples believed that Jesus rose from the dead when they saw the head cloth folded. That's it! No need to impose tradition about folded table napkins and infer something about His second coming. The article says that the master folded the table cloth signifying that he was going to return to the table. But Jesus did not fold His head cloth. His “butlers” folded it when they removed His graveclothes. These “butlers” were the two angels in human form (Luke 24:4). These “men” were already in the tomb when the disciples entered. What had they been doing in the tomb previously Georg? I'll tell you. They loosed Jesus from His graveclothes and then folded them. The master folded his napkin signifying that he would return to the table. SO IF JESUS FOLDED HIS HEAD CLOTH IT WOULD HAVE SIGNIFIED THAT HE WAS RETURNING TO THE TOMB. DID JESUS RETURN TO THE TOMB GEORG? thinker thinker? Look, if you can't go through the wall, go around it, you're the thinker, can't you figure that out; or do you do “for” the headache? Georg

Georg,

Where does the Bible say that Jesus went through a wall? He was in the room before the disciples arrived at the house and then He showed Himself after they came in. Give a chapter and verse which shows that this was a super natural event.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,15:48)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54) My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg Hi Georg, Interesting story but not even close. Here is the account… John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. I will now tell you all the real story. What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”. This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with. Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact, Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up! He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD! You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ? I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED J,

We agree except for the part about Jesus Himself folding the cloth. Georg is so gullible! The narrative CLEARLY says that the disciples believed that Jesus had risen from the dead when they saw the folded gravecloth. It says that they had not known the scripture which said that He would rise from the dead. So the folded head cloth was the evidence that He had risen from the dead and that His body had not been stolen. You are correct about this.

Georg is indeed funny on what he will believe and what he will discount just as you say. He would rather believe some goof who wrote an article then just accept what the narrative PLAINLY says.

If the head cloth existed today would Georg worship it?

thinker

[KangarooJack]

ED J said:

Quote

I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave?

ED J,

Your account is much more factual.

thinker

[Elizabeth]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,20:58)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 05 2010,15:29) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,08:33) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,23:12) thinker First of all, I did not write the article, although I wish I had. And then this is what it says Jhn 20:7   And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.   It is biblical, but that doesn't matter with you does it. Why don't you read the article again, and see what it is really saying, and don't read it with anger in your heart. Georg Georg, What do you mean “it's biblical?” The narrative is about a GRAVE cloth and not a table napkin. I don't need to read the article again. I have studied all this stuff already. The narrative CLEARLY says that the disciples believed that Jesus rose from the dead when they saw the head cloth folded. That's it! No need to impose tradition about folded table napkins and infer something about His second coming. The article says that the master folded the table cloth signifying that he was going to return to the table. But Jesus did not fold His head cloth. His “butlers” folded it when they removed His graveclothes. These “butlers” were the two angels in human form (Luke 24:4). These “men” were already in the tomb when the disciples entered. What had they been doing in the tomb previously Georg? I'll tell you. They loosed Jesus from His graveclothes and then folded them. The master folded his napkin signifying that he would return to the table. SO IF JESUS FOLDED HIS HEAD CLOTH IT WOULD HAVE SIGNIFIED THAT HE WAS RETURNING TO THE TOMB. DID JESUS RETURN TO THE TOMB GEORG? thinker thinker? Look, if you can't go through the wall, go around it, you're the thinker, can't you figure that out; or do you do “for” the headache? Georg Georg, Where does the Bible say that Jesus went through a wall? He was in the room before the disciples arrived at the house and then He showed Himself after they came in. Give a chapter and verse which shows that this was a super natural event. thinker

[Elizabeth]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,21:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,15:48) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54) My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg Hi Georg, Interesting story but not even close. Here is the account… John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. I will now tell you all the real story. What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”. This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with. Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact, Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up! He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD! You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ? I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED J, We agree except for the part about Jesus Himself folding the cloth. Georg is so gullible! The narrative CLEARLY says that the disciples believed that Jesus had risen from the dead when they saw the folded gravecloth. It says that they had not known the scripture which said that He would rise from the dead. So the folded head cloth was the evidence that He had risen from the dead and that His body had not been stolen. You are correct about this. Georg is indeed funny on what he will believe and what he will discount just as you say. He would rather believe some goof who wrote an article then just accept what the narrative PLAINLY says. If the head cloth existed today would Georg worship it? thinker

It does thinker, have you heard about the shroud of Turin?

Georg

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 05 2010,22:04)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,21:08) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,15:48) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54) My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg Hi Georg, Interesting story but not even close. Here is the account… John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. I will now tell you all the real story. What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”. This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with. Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact, Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up! He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD! You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ? I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED J, We agree except for the part about Jesus Himself folding the cloth. Georg is so gullible! The narrative CLEARLY says that the disciples believed that Jesus had risen from the dead when they saw the folded gravecloth. It says that they had not known the scripture which said that He would rise from the dead. So the folded head cloth was the evidence that He had risen from the dead and that His body had not been stolen. You are correct about this. Georg is indeed funny on what he will believe and what he will discount just as you say. He would rather believe some goof who wrote an article then just accept what the narrative PLAINLY says. If the head cloth existed today would Georg worship it? thinker It does thinker, have you heard about the shroud of Turin? Georg

Georg,

I told you that I have studied all this stuff already. The shroud of Turin is one continuous wrapping from head to toe. But John's narrative CLEARLY says that the head wrapping was separate from the body wrapping. It was folded in a place all by itself. So the shroud cannot be the gravecloth of Jesus.

You have not answered my question about the two angels in the tomb. What were they doing in the tomb? And why two of them? There are many examples in the bible of angels taking human form to meet human need.

Angels were also known to loose people that were bound. An angel apppeared in Peter's prison cell and shook him waking him out of sleep. The angel then loosed Peter from his chains and gave him instructions on what to do (Acts 12:5-7).

My wife works with a christian woman who was in a car accident and she was trapped by her seat belt and could not get out. Her name is Donna. She said that an angel appeared with a “glowing” pair of scissors and cut the seat belt and loosed her and she got out of the car before it caught fire. The police investigation confirmed that the seat belt had indeed been cut.

So we know that angels are known to loose them that are bound. So it would be plausible that the two angels came to serve Jesus by loosing Him from His graveclothes. After the life came back into His body He must have summonsed the two angels. They picked Him up from the floor of the tomb and while the one angel held Him up the other unwrapped His grave clothes.

If they were not in the tomb to serve a need Jesus had, then what were they doing in the tomb? And why two of them? And since they were there only to serve Jesus, then they loosed him from His graveclothes. Afterwards one of them took care of the head cloth for the sake of the disciples while the other helped Jesus get dressed with the clothes they had brought with them.

thinker

[princess of the king]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,13:56)

Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 05 2010,08:54) Would not the story reflect somewhat of a parable teaching? Hi Princess, Why would the story need to reflect a parable teaching when the point of the folded grave cloth is clearly indicated? It says that when the two disciples saw the folded grave cloth that they believed that Jesus had risen from the dead. It says that they had not known the scriptures which testified of Christ's resurrection. So the folded grave cloth was a piece of evidence which convinced the disciples that Jesus had risen as opposed to His body being stolen. Yet some goof (not Georg) writes an article inwhich he super imposes into the narrative Jewish tradition about folded dinner napkins. And Georg falls for it. What does a folded dinner napkin have to do with a folded grave cloth? If the master folded his own dinner napkin the servant knew that his master was coming back to the table. Does this necessarily imply that if the master folded his bath towel that he was coming back to the shower? The folded grave cloth testified of His resurrection! And there is no evidence that Jesus folded the grave cloth. There were two angels in human form in the tomb PRIOR to the arrival of the disciples. What were they doing in the tomb with Jesus? Were they taking bets on how fast Jesus could unwrap Himself while Jesus was rolling on the floor trying to get out? thinker

Hey thinker,

Hope all is well.

Joh 20:13  They said to her, “Woman, why are you crying?” She told them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I don't know where they have put him.”

How does this scripture fit into either story?

Now, by either account brought forth, it is apparent that she did not understand.

Either be the napkin or prayer shawl, both show and state that he would return.

To me, I have heard the napkin story before, edj account I enjoyed also. I'll pass on splitting hairs on this one. You guys do well enough on your own.

Blessings to you and your family.

[Ed J]

Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 06 2010,10:16)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2010,13:56) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 05 2010,08:54) Would not the story reflect somewhat of a parable teaching? Hi Princess, Why would the story need to reflect a parable teaching when the point of the folded grave cloth is clearly indicated? It says that when the two disciples saw the folded grave cloth that they believed that Jesus had risen from the dead. It says that they had not known the scriptures which testified of Christ's resurrection. So the folded grave cloth was a piece of evidence which convinced the disciples that Jesus had risen as opposed to His body being stolen. Yet some goof (not Georg) writes an article inwhich he super imposes into the narrative Jewish tradition about folded dinner napkins. And Georg falls for it. What does a folded dinner napkin have to do with a folded grave cloth? If the master folded his own dinner napkin the servant knew that his master was coming back to the table. Does this necessarily imply that if the master folded his bath towel that he was coming back to the shower? The folded grave cloth testified of His resurrection! And there is no evidence that Jesus folded the grave cloth. There were two angels in human form in the tomb PRIOR to the arrival of the disciples. What were they doing in the tomb with Jesus? Were they taking bets on how fast Jesus could unwrap Himself while Jesus was rolling on the floor trying to get out? thinker Hey thinker, Hope all is well. Joh 20:13  They said to her, “Woman, why are you crying?” She told them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I don't know where they have put him.” How does this scripture fit into either story? Now, by either account brought forth, it is apparent that she did not understand. Either be the napkin or prayer shawl, both show and state that he would return. To me, I have heard the napkin story before, edj account I enjoyed also. I'll pass on splitting hairs on this one. You guys do well enough on your own. Blessings to you and your family.

Hi Princess of the king,

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God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[princess of the king]

Blessing to you and your edj,

I understand what you are trying to explain, I do not believe His coming will be in the flesh. So hope that helps.

I do know that georg and you disagree on much, I have seen the belittlement come from other's in regard to your belief with numbers, this is not the case for me though, every vision or dream that comes to us is for a reason, either for others or for ourselves.

Thank you for your concern.

[Ed J]

Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 06 2010,11:15)

Blessing to you and your edj, I understand what you are trying to explain, I do not believe His coming will be in the flesh. So hope that helps. I do know that georg and you disagree on much, I have seen the belittlement come from other's in regard to your belief with numbers, this is not the case for me though, every vision or dream that comes to us is for a reason, either for others or for ourselves. Thank you for your concern.

Hi Princess of the king,

If you believe it to be “Spiritual”, then why don't you believe
The Bible account that it (John 14:23) occurred at “Pentecost”?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[princess of the king]

What accounts would make you think that I do not believe? Is it something to do with the three nines?

Let me know.

[Ed J]

Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 06 2010,11:36)

What accounts would make you think that I do not believe? Is it something to do with the three nines? Let me know.

Hi Princess of the king,

Do you believe Jesus “Spiritual” second coming occurred at “Pentecost”?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

That is what I have been doing from page 1.
However my King James Bible says this in
John 20:6-7
Then Simon Peter following Him and went into the tomb” and He saw the linen cloth lying there.
verse 7
and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloth,but folded together in a place by it self.
So it is somewhat like it.  But it is not a Dinner napkin.  A handkerchief is like a kleenex tissue.  But I find the story rather interesting.  To make such an issue out of it, is more then ridiculous.
Irene

Georg just woke up from a nap and I told Him about what the King James said about the story:” He said in His Rye Bible study of King James it says napkins,
So I am taking this story with a grain of salt….
One day Christ will tell us all….

Irene

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,15:48)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54) My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg Hi Georg, Interesting story but not even close. Here is the account… John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. I will now tell you all the real story. What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”. This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with. Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact, Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up! He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD! You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ? I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

like I said, you're a nut.
Did you read the top of that post? I said my brother send it to me. I only posted it because I thought it was interesting; I still do.
You know, this reminds me of how the first WW got started, with one shot, from a nut.

Georg

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,15:48) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54) My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg Hi Georg, Interesting story but not even close. Here is the account… John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. I will now tell you all the real story. What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”. This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with. Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact, Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up! He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD! You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ? I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed like I said, you're a nut. Did you read the top of that post? I said my brother send it to me. I only posted it because I thought it was interesting; I still do. You know, this reminds me of how the first WW got started, with one shot, from a nut. Georg

Hi Georg,

Nowhere in your Post did you say you didn't believe what you Posted.

Ed J

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Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 06 2010,13:25) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2010,15:48) Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,06:54) My brother emailed this to me, I thought this is very interesting, because I had never heard any one explain it this way; enjoy. Why Did Jesus Fold the Napkin? This is one I can honestly say I have never seen circulating in the emails so; if it touches you, you may want to forward it. Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection? I never noticed this…. The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes.. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see…. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes! In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it.. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because………. The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!' And so is Jesus, He is Coming Back! Georg Hi Georg, Interesting story but not even close. Here is the account… John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. John 20:7-8 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. I will now tell you all the real story. What the AKJV Bible translated as “Napkin” is called a “Talit”, which is an Israelite “Prayer Shall”. This is what Jesus uncle Joesph of Arimathaea would have buried Jesus with. Jesus folded “The Talit” in the traditional way and because of this fact, Peter knew the Romans didn't take the body away because they would NOT have folded it up! He saw and believed: Because He remembered Jesus said He would RISE FROM THE DEAD! You are certainly funny Georg, what you will believe and what you will discount? ? ? I ask everybody here who's story sounds more believable the one I gave or the one Georg gave? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed like I said, you're a nut. Did you read the top of that post? I said my brother send it to me. I only posted it because I thought it was interesting; I still do. You know, this reminds me of how the first WW got started, with one shot, from a nut. Georg Hi Georg, Nowhere in your Post did you say you didn't believe what you Posted. Ed J

ED J,

Georg clearly gave the impression that he believed what he posted. Your explanation of the folding of the headcloth was very sound. It was proof that the body of Jesus had not been stolen just as you say. The narrative agrees with you.

But some people must find some other meaning to the gravecloth. Then there is the problem with the two “men” who had been in the tomb before the disciples arrived. These were angels in human form and there presence shows that they served a need that Jesus had. Therefore, there is no proof that Jesus Himself folded the cloth.

I very rarely agree with you but on this one you are right.

thinker

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