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- April 11, 2015 at 8:41 am#793577NickHassanParticipant
Hi BD,
Jude 14
“..Behold the Lord came with many thousands of the holy ones to execute judgement upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.These are grumblers,finding fault, following after their own lusts; they speak arrogantly , flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage.”
April 11, 2015 at 8:46 am#793579bodhithartaParticipantDid God actually use a virgin woman to create a Holy Child to destroy that child although by His own law says his must redeem from sacrifice ALL those who are first born:
Dedication of the Firstborn
Exodus 13
…11″Now when the LORD brings you to the land of the Canaanite, as He swore to you and to your fathers, and gives it to you, 12you shall devote to the LORD the first offspring of every womb, and the first offspring of every beast that you own; the males belong to the LORD. 13″But every first offspring of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck; and every firstborn of man among your sons you shall redeem.…
This means it is AGAINST the LAW of GOD to kill your firstborn he must be redeemed, Jesus came to FULFILL the LAW therefore it is impossible that he was an offering for sin, because ALL firstborn of man must be redeemed.
Luke 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every male who first opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”)
Exodus 13:14-15 New International Version
“In days to come, when your son asks you, ‘What does this mean?’ say to him, ‘With a mighty hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed the firstborn of both people and animals in Egypt. This is why I sacrifice to the LORD the first male offspring of every womb
- and redeem each of my firstborn sons.’
Absolute proof that God could not have offered Jesus as a sacrifice because it’s against his own law and sacrifices had already been offered up for Jesus himself at birth so he was ALREADY REDEEMED: Redeem ” to make up for; make amends for; offset”
April 11, 2015 at 8:50 am#793580NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Attempting to challenge the ways of God by confronting Him with the Law?
You really should take your fight with God to a private place
Did God kill Jesus?
did God sacrifice him or did he offer himself?
April 11, 2015 at 9:01 am#793583bodhithartaParticipantHow can you say he offered himself up when he clearly said “Not My Will”?
April 11, 2015 at 11:33 am#793586NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Submission is when he said NOT MY WILL.
Can you grasp this?
April 11, 2015 at 11:34 am#793587NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
I guess submission is not your way.
Control is what you want.
April 11, 2015 at 11:37 am#793588NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
The God you challenge demands that you submit to Him and His ways.
It sounds as though this is not possible for you.
You want to be in charge.
April 11, 2015 at 11:52 am#793589NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Like most false religions you want a comfortable situation where God is not that apparent in your life.
You want to be able to pray but not expect any answers and certainly no expressions of power.
April 11, 2015 at 2:08 pm#793591NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
You try to stand too on your weak understanding of scripture to disprove the plan of God?
Since the plan is revealed in scripture by God how strong could your case be?
Humble yourself before Him. He owes you nothing.
April 11, 2015 at 2:19 pm#793592bodhithartaParticipantNick
Hi BD,
Submission is when he said NOT MY WILL.
Can you grasp this?
If he was submitting to the will of God then he was not offering up his life, an offering is something “you” offer not something you accept or “submit to” You have a lot to learn about submission nick, study the Quran
April 11, 2015 at 2:53 pm#793598NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Your weak logic does not add any value to what is written.
Neither would your worldly books
April 11, 2015 at 3:06 pm#793601bodhithartaParticipantNick
You are not seeking truth you are seeking comfort and you are simply comfortable with the level of knowledge you have, there is nothing wrong with that that’s just life but it would be better to simply be honest and say I am not interested in learning or seeking I am satisfied with what I have but if you are satisfied with what you have and still seeking or willing to learn then seriously investigate instead of dismissing everything without doing the work or working it out. If someone is wrong you should be able to present a legitimate argument not just huff and puff. 98% of your posts are just off the cuff insults and do nothing at all to enhance dialogue, edification or correction….I’m not even sure you actually read the posts you respond to…you kind of just skim enough to make a comment
April 11, 2015 at 3:09 pm#793603NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
You may still be searching but I have found the waters of eternal life.
To sup from the poison you offer seems unwise-do you agree?
April 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm#793613bodhithartaParticipantNick,
Thank you, I’m glad to know that you are comfortable and so am I but I do enjoy furthering my knowledge of God continuously or contributing to the knowledge pool of others. For instance you may have never known that Samaritans were part of the 12 tribes even though Jews treated them badly:
John 4
10Jesus answered and said unto unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his sons, and his cattle?
I know you had no knowledge of that
April 11, 2015 at 4:01 pm#793614NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Those who only see with natural eyes constantly miss the spiritual message.
Drinking the water Jacob offered does not prevent you from becoming thirsty.
If you had tasted of the living water you would not have turned to another master.
April 11, 2015 at 4:02 pm#793615NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
You are more interested in spreading misinformation than true knowledge.
Your new master trained you well.
April 11, 2015 at 4:23 pm#793616bodhithartaParticipantHi BD,
Those who only see with natural eyes constantly miss the spiritual message.
Drinking the water Jacob offered does not prevent you from becoming thirsty.
If you had tasted of the living water you would not have turned to another master.
But Nick, Jacob is Israel and the firstborn of God
April 11, 2015 at 5:10 pm#793621NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
And one of those that will be seated at the wedding feast.
But he was not the source of living water.
Wake up
April 11, 2015 at 5:11 pm#793622NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Why would you pretend to have any interest in the men of God?
You have rejected the life that they live by yet.
April 28, 2015 at 10:52 am#795897NickHassanParticipantHi BD,
Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in Allah’s plan. But most of them ignore (the truth).
WHO is the WE?
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