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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,21:02) Hi LU,
Reliance on personal inspiration alone we are also warned about in Col2.
Should we not check our steps as we walk?
Nick,
Hellooooo! Did you not read the scriptures that demonstrated disciples worshiping the Son and the Son accepted that and did not prohibit that. That happened more than once. That's good enough for me.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,21:08) Hi LU,
Do you not accept that Paul and his words were of God?
What of the other apostles?
Yes, I accept that Paul and his words were of God. Do you not accept that the disciples worship towards the Son…as the Son was of God?Hi LU,
Paul was a man and so was his Master.
Tradition holds folk so tightly but we need to get free.So let God set you free from your traditions Nick. Live by the Spirit. Paul's master became man but is much more than man at the same time.
Hi LU,
The Spirit speaks according to Scripture.
We are not to be sole agents.Branches off the vine are useless.
Nick,
Peter is the disciple that Christ spoke about here:16:15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16:16 Simon Peter answered, 19 “You are the Christ, 20 the Son of the living God.” 16:17 And Jesus answered him, 21 “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood 22 did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven! 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades 23 will not overpower it. 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you release on earth will have been released in heaven.” 16:20 Then he instructed his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.
Peter is also one of the disciples that worshiped Christ and they were not rebuked and Peter worshiped Christ more than once. Sometimes Peter messed up but Jesus pointed that out. Peter was pretty important to be given the keys to the kingdom and that Peter was the rock that Christ built HIS CHURCH on. We can learn from the disciples.
Hi LU,
Show us where any of the apostles after their rebirth preached the worship of their Master.
Like Jesus they pointed rather to His and our God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,21:38) Hi LU,
The Spirit speaks according to Scripture.
We are not to be sole agents.Branches off the vine are useless.
Nick,
Exactly! Many worship the Father and the Son. Maaaaaany!Hi LU,
The popularity of paths is no proof of their authenticity but suggests the opposite.
The narrow path is wiser.Nick,
From Paul, an apostle about Christ:
2:8 He humbled himself,
by becoming obedient to the point of death
– even death on a cross!
2:9 As a result God exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
2:10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee will bow
– in heaven and on earth and under the earth –
2:11 and every tongue confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord
to the glory of God the Father.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,21:44) Hi LU,
The popularity of paths is no proof of their authenticity but suggests the opposite.
The narrow path is wiser.
Nick,
Would you think that there are more people in the world that do NOT worship the Father and the Son than those that do. I would say that the narrow pathers worship the Father AND the Son. The broad pathers worship only what they believe to be as God and not the Son. In that respect, I would think that would place you on the broad path with the Pharisees.Nick,
Change paths…join Peter and the disciples who worship the Father and the Son. They would welcome you with open arms.Hi LU,
Would Jesus prefer you to worship him or obey him?
Why do you call me lord lord and not do as I say?Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2010,13:59) Nick,
From Paul, an apostle about Christ:
2:8 He humbled himself,
by becoming obedient to the point of death
– even death on a cross!
2:9 As a result God exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
2:10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee will bow
– in heaven and on earth and under the earth –
2:11 and every tongue confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord
to the glory of God the Father.
Hi Kathi,GOD The Father is the importancy here, a FACT you seem to diminish!
Psaln 95:6: O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD(Jesus' Father) our maker.
Psalm 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.
All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust
shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.Psalm 72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
Isa:60:14: The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi LU,
So you can support your claim by his words that we should worship him or is this just opinion?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2010,22:23) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2010,13:59) Nick,
From Paul, an apostle about Christ:
2:8 He humbled himself,
by becoming obedient to the point of death
– even death on a cross!
2:9 As a result God exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
2:10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee will bow
– in heaven and on earth and under the earth –
2:11 and every tongue confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord
to the glory of God the Father.
Hi Kathi,GOD The Father is the importancy here, a FACT you seem to diminish!
Psaln 95:6: O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD(Jesus' Father) our maker.
Psalm 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.
All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust
shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.Psalm 72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
Isa:60:14: The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,
Both are bowed down to…don't miss that. When have I diminished the Father? Have I ever said that the Son is worshiped AS the Father, nope! I have only said to worship the Son as the Son of God, not as the Father. I have never equated the Son to the Most High God so I don't know where you get your idea that I diminish the Father. Read the whole topic.Kathi
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,22:27) Hi LU,
So you can support your claim by his words that we should worship him or is this just opinion?
Nick,
I support my claim by learning from His disciples that knew Him the best. Do you not learn from the disciples? Does Jesus ever say to His apostles or disciples not to worship Him…can you show me one verse?
Worship is a natural response to the one that you can do nothing apart from don't you think. The branches can do nothing apart from the vine.
It doesn't have to be a choice of one over the other.- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
