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The OT believers were given the description of the Kingdom of God at the arrival of the Messiah to establish it, which was rather confusing for them when no or little gap between His first coming and His second coming was given in the narative.
This passage is a good example of that as most here would know–
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.Jesus sent His disciples to preach this restoration before they could comprehend Christ being crucified and leaving them.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (read on)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.
It was after Christ's resurrection that He gave His disciples instructions concerning the Kingdom of God which they were to proclaim as they did in Acts, because Peter then asked of the Lord–
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
and the Lord answered with–
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.However it is not so, that the preachers today of the Kingdom of God, should start with their preaching of the cross to heathens but begin with the good news of the coming Kingdom and then preach how one can be found in that Kingdom when it comes, by entering into the Spirit of it now through the living resurrected Christ and His cross, and their obedience to His teachings.
Most just preach eternal life as the aim, but a fuller explanation of our future is found in the scriptures of the OT, though truly eternity comes after that for which we have very little description of it to convey, except that our King and friend will be there with us all in God.
ok so far.
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Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,15:35) The OT believers were given the description of the Kingdom of God at the arrival of the Messiah to establish it, which was rather confusing for them when no or little gap between His first coming and His second coming was given in the narative. This passage is a good example of that as most here would know–
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.Jesus sent His disciples to preach this restoration before they could comprehend Christ being crucified and leaving them.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (read on)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.
It was after Christ's resurrection that He gave His disciples instructions concerning the Kingdom of God which they were to proclaim as they did in Acts, because Peter then asked of the Lord–
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
and the Lord answered with–
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.However it is not so, that the preachers today of the Kingdom of God, should start with their preaching of the cross to heathens but begin with the good news of the coming Kingdom and then preach how one can be found in that Kingdom when it comes, by entering into the Spirit of it now through the living resurrected Christ and His cross, and their obedience to His teachings.
Most just preach eternal life as the aim, but a fuller explanation of our future is found in the scriptures of the OT, though truly eternity comes after that for which we have very little description of it to convey, except that our King and friend will be there with us all in God.
ok so far.
Res.
Hi Rest,(quote)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.I dont understand?
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ April 07 2013,11:42) Hi Rest, (quote)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.I dont understand?
Peace brother.
abe,Think about what the believers would have believed at that time.
Messiah would come and free them from the bondages of this world and set up the Kingdom of God according to the scriptures which they had been taught every sabbath day.
Jesus sent His disciples to preach to the masses just that and to confirm that message He empowered His diciples to heal the sick and cast out devils.
In the light of the Lord delivering people of their devils and diseases for over three years, the majority of the people became convinced that their deliverance from the Romans was not to be and they began turning against Him.
Of course there were as now a variety of positions which people held to, but even firm believers as to who Jesus was, thought Christs mission had failed–
Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
Luk 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.I had heard that the first year of Jesus ministry was received with scepticism, the second year of acceptance, but the third year much rejection.
Like the first believers who came out of Egypt, they were not aware of the times of testing and proving before inheriting the promises of God and they wanted it NOW.
Such despair can be experienced by all disciples since at times, until changed.
Does that answer your question.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,10:35) The OT believers were given the description of the Kingdom of God at the arrival of the Messiah to establish it, which was rather confusing for them when no or little gap between His first coming and His second coming was given in the narative. This passage is a good example of that as most here would know–
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.Jesus sent His disciples to preach this restoration before they could comprehend Christ being crucified and leaving them.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (read on)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.
It was after Christ's resurrection that He gave His disciples instructions concerning the Kingdom of God which they were to proclaim as they did in Acts, because Peter then asked of the Lord–
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
and the Lord answered with–
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.However it is not so, that the preachers today of the Kingdom of God, should start with their preaching of the cross to heathens but begin with the good news of the coming Kingdom and then preach how one can be found in that Kingdom when it comes, by entering into the Spirit of it now through the living resurrected Christ and His cross, and their obedience to His teachings.
Most just preach eternal life as the aim, but a fuller explanation of our future is found in the scriptures of the OT, though truly eternity comes after that for which we have very little description of it to convey, except that our King and friend will be there with us all in God.
ok so far.
Res.
Resting.This is why Jesus said ''seek and ye shall find''
Only the seekers can find.wakeup.
The millennium is still in the last days of this present earth.
Isa 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Isa 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Isa 2:6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.
Isa 2:7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:
Isa 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Isa 2:9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
Isa 2:14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
Isa 2:15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.Too much change in this present earth is envisioned by even most pre-mills.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.Isa 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
Isa 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.One should consider if Rev.ch 21:1 is not the last verse of Ch 20 and not the first verse of ch 21.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,17:09) Quote (abe @ April 07 2013,11:42) Hi Rest, (quote)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.I dont understand?
Peace brother.
abe,Think about what the believers would have believed at that time.
Messiah would come and free them from the bondages of this world and set up the Kingdom of God according to the scriptures which they had been taught every sabbath day.
Jesus sent His disciples to preach to the masses just that and to confirm that message He empowered His diciples to heal the sick and cast out devils.
In the light of the Lord delivering people of their devils and diseases for over three years, the majority of the people became convinced that their deliverance from the Romans was not to be and they began turning against Him.
Of course there were as now a variety of positions which people held to, but even firm believers as to who Jesus was, thought Christs mission had failed–
Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
Luk 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.I had heard that the first year of Jesus ministry was received with scepticism, the second year of acceptance, but the third year much rejection.
Like the first believers who came out of Egypt, they were not aware of the times of testing and proving before inheriting the promises of God and they wanted it NOW.
Such despair can be experienced by all disciples since at times, until changed.
Does that answer your question.
Res.
Hi Rest,Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
The Spirit was not yet given at this time.
Acts2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit is the counselor.
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ April 08 2013,19:33) Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,17:09) Quote (abe @ April 07 2013,11:42) Hi Rest, (quote)
There is just no way that the disciples of Jesus were preaching Acts 2:38. at that time.I dont understand?
Peace brother.
abe,Think about what the believers would have believed at that time.
Messiah would come and free them from the bondages of this world and set up the Kingdom of God according to the scriptures which they had been taught every sabbath day.
Jesus sent His disciples to preach to the masses just that and to confirm that message He empowered His diciples to heal the sick and cast out devils.
In the light of the Lord delivering people of their devils and diseases for over three years, the majority of the people became convinced that their deliverance from the Romans was not to be and they began turning against Him.
Of course there were as now a variety of positions which people held to, but even firm believers as to who Jesus was, thought Christs mission had failed–
Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
Luk 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.I had heard that the first year of Jesus ministry was received with scepticism, the second year of acceptance, but the third year much rejection.
Like the first believers who came out of Egypt, they were not aware of the times of testing and proving before inheriting the promises of God and they wanted it NOW.
Such despair can be experienced by all disciples since at times, until changed.
Does that answer your question.
Res.
Hi Rest,Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
The Spirit was not yet given at this time.
Acts2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit is the counselor.
Peace brother.
What you say is true, but the Spirit filled believers still preached the future Kingdom of God.–Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
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