The messiah as david's son

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  • #340115
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    There were differing concepts of the expected messiah among the various schools of thought within Judaism. One was that the Messiah would somehow be a soul from David yet when David was prophesying he referred of him as a Son of God.

    174:4.6 “When no more questions were forthcoming, and as the noon hour was near, Jesus did not resume his teaching but was content merely to ask the Pharisees and their associates a question. Said Jesus: “Since you ask no more questions, I would like to ask you one. What do you think of the Deliverer? That is, whose son is he?” After a brief pause one of the scribes answered, “The Messiah is the son of David.” And since Jesus knew that there had been much debate, even among his own disciples, as to whether or not he was the son of David, he asked this further question: “If the Deliverer is indeed the son of David, how is it that, in the Psalm which you accredit to David, he himself, speaking in the spirit, says, `The Lord said to my lord, sit on my right hand until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet.’ If David calls him Lord, how then can he be his son?” Although the rulers, the scribes, and the chief priests made no reply to this question, they likewise refrained from asking him any more questions in an effort to entangle him. They never answered this question which Jesus put to them, but after the Master’s death they attempted to escape the difficulty by changing the interpretation of this Psalm so as to make it refer to Abraham instead of the Messiah. Others sought to escape the dilemma by disallowing that David was the author of this so-called Messianic Psalm.

    174:4.7 A short time back the Pharisees had enjoyed the manner in which the Sadducees had been silenced by the Master; now the Sadducees were delighted by the failure of the Pharisees; but such rivalry was only momentary; they speedily forgot their time-honored differences in the united effort to stop Jesus’ teachings and doings. But throughout all of these experiences the common people heard him gladly.” UB

    Colter

    #340239
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    Jesus resurrected himself from the dead and now rules on high with unquestioned authority.

    Happy Easter for those who believe.

    Colter

    #340420
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    2 Samuel 5:20

    So David went to Baal Perazim. There he won the battle over the Philistines. He said, “The Lord has broken through against my enemies when I’ve attacked them, just as water breaks through a dam.” That’s why the place was called Baal Perazim.

    “(1072.4) 97:9.6 Saul’s tragic defeat at Gilboa by the Philistines brought Yahweh to a low point among the gods in the eyes of the surrounding Canaanites. Ordinarily, Saul’s defeat would have been ascribed to apostasy from Yahweh, but this time the Judahite editors attributed it to ritual errors. They required the tradition of Saul and Samuel as a background for the kingship of David.

    (1072.5) 97:9.7 David with his small army made his headquarters at the non-Hebrew city of Hebron. Presently his compatriots proclaimed him king of the new kingdom of Judah. Judah was made up mostly of non-Hebrew elements — Kenites, Calebites, Jebusites, and other Canaanites. They were nomads — herders — and so were devoted to the Hebrew idea of land ownership. They held the ideologies of the desert clans.

    (1072.6) 97:9.8 The difference between sacred and profane history is well illustrated by the two differing stories concerning making David king as they are found in the Old Testament. A part of the secular story of how his immediate followers (his army) made him king was inadvertently left in the record by the priests who subsequently prepared the lengthy and prosaic account of the sacred history wherein is depicted how the prophet Samuel, by divine direction, selected David from among his brethren and proceeded formally and by elaborate and solemn ceremonies to anoint him king over the Hebrews and then to proclaim him Saul’s successor.

    (1072.7) 97:9.9 So many times did the priests, after preparing their fictitious narratives of God’s miraculous dealings with Israel, fail fully to delete the plain and matter-of-fact statements which already rested in the records.

    (1072.8) 97:9.10 David sought to build himself up politically by first marrying Saul’s daughter, then the widow of Nabal the rich Edomite, and then the daughter of Talmai, the king of Geshur. He took six wives from the women of Jebus, not to mention Bathsheba, the wife of the Hittite.

    (1073.1) 97:9.11 And it was by such methods and out of such people that David built up the fiction of a divine kingdom of Judah as the successor of the heritage and traditions of the vanishing northern kingdom of Ephraimite Israel. David’s cosmopolitan tribe of Judah was more gentile than Jewish; nevertheless the oppressed elders of Ephraim came down and “anointed him king of Israel.” After a military threat, David then made a compact with the Jebusites and established his capital of the united kingdom at Jebus (Jerusalem), which was a strong-walled city midway between Judah and Israel. The Philistines were aroused and soon attacked David. After a fierce battle they were defeated, and once more Yahweh was established as “The Lord God of Hosts.”

    (1073.2) 97:9.12 But Yahweh must, perforce, share some of this glory with the Canaanite gods, for the bulk of David’s army was non-Hebrew. And so there appears in your record (overlooked by the Judahite editors) this telltale statement: “Yahweh has broken my enemies before me. Therefore he called the name of the place Baal-Perazim.” And they did this because eighty per cent of David’s soldiers were Baalites.”

    Worship God, not books!

    Colter

    #340431
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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 31 2013,23:54)
    Jesus resurrected himself from the dead and now rules on high with unquestioned authority.

    Happy Easter for those who believe.

    Colter


    It's all very sad if Jesus did not reserrect him self, an god is a little offended that he is not all an all

    #340432
    Charity
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    I agree books are powerful enough to hijack an trump a whole kingdoms trie message

    The kingdom message doesn't need to be the truth! Yet the portion of wrong is that of corrupting another's history to seem wise

    #340435
    Charity
    Participant

    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom

    #340443
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    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter

    #340476
    david
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    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.

    #340512
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    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter

    #340552
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The kingdom is in the ub believers only.
    The ub kingdom.
    Not Gods kingdom.

    Gods kingdom is placed in us through knowledge.
    by knowledge we can see the great picture of the kingdom.
    By knowledge we can put the dots together and see the big picture of the kingdom.And the Holy bible *only* can provide the seekers with the big picture of the kingdom of God.No other book can.

    wakeup.

    #340646
    david
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    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    I disagree.

    Jesus said those words to Pharisees, people who “shut up the kingdom,” people he condemned. Why would he say the kingdom was “in” them? What he actually said was that the kingdom of God was in their midst (among them) not “in” them.

    He said this because the king was in their midst.

    Since a kingdom is an empire or government ruled by a king, it doesn't make sense that a kingdom would literally be “in” people. A kingdom (government) is Jesus and those who rule with him.

    #340647
    david
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    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    We're the Pharisees believers?

    #340673
    Charity
    Participant

    The authors of Heaven are the catholic church.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death.
    Amen…our Father who art in heaven, thy will shall be done on earth as it is heaven.

    the romans wanted the gold an Land. an to get to go to heaven as well.

    #340677
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (david @ April 03 2013,17:09)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    We're the Pharisees believers?


    No, the kingdom of heaven is spiritual, not material governments or nations. The Pharisee's were not in the spiritual kingdom proclaimed by Jesus.

    This spiritual kingdom, established by Jesus, is comprised of those who by faith, believe in the Fatherhood of God and consequent brotherhood of all mankind.

    The king is not a material king, it's the rule of God in the hearts of decided believers.

    So when Jesus said “the kingdom of heaven is within you” he was directing the believer into a personal relationship with the eternal God who is available to all who by faith truly desire to be lead by God.

    Eventually this spiritual kingdom, the rule of God in the hearts of man, will transform all of mankind, even the world.

    Colter

    #340678
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    Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,06:12)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The kingdom is in the ub believers only.
    The ub kingdom.
    Not Gods kingdom.

    Gods kingdom is placed in us through knowledge.
    by knowledge we can see the great picture of the kingdom.
    By knowledge we can put the dots together and see the big picture of the kingdom.And the Holy bible *only* can provide the seekers with the big picture of the kingdom of God.No other book can.

    wakeup.


    That's book worship, I don't believe your doctrine created by evil priest to control you.

    The Books of the Bible themselves don't even claim divine authorship, that idolatrous idea came latter as a way for the clever to rule the ignorant through fear and superstitious awe.

    The UB doesn't claim to be the word of God. God is not an idol, but a living God.

    Colter

    #340689
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ April 03 2013,23:09)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,06:12)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The kingdom is in the ub believers only.
    The ub kingdom.
    Not Gods kingdom.

    Gods kingdom is placed in us through knowledge.
    by knowledge we can see the great picture of the kingdom.
    By knowledge we can put the dots together and see the big picture of the kingdom.And the Holy bible *only* can provide the seekers with the big picture of the kingdom of God.No other book can.

    wakeup.


    That's book worship, I don't believe your doctrine created by evil priest to control you.

    The Books of the Bible themselves don't even claim divine authorship, that idolatrous idea came latter as a way for the clever to rule the ignorant through fear and superstitious awe.

    The UB doesn't claim to be the word of God. God is not an idol, but a living God.

    Colter


    Colter.

    If the ub is not from God,then you are worshipping mans word. And man is known to be corrupt.
    You are worshipping mans word.
    ************
    One of Gods prophecy is being fulfilled right now.

    Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her *desolate* and *naked*, and shall *eat her flesh*, and burn her with fire.

    THE 10 KINGS ARE PURPOSELY BANKRUPTING GOVENMENTS
    NOW. THE WHORE IS THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF THINGS.

    Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    THE NWO WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD.THIS IS THE BEAST
    OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. SATANS BRAINCHILD.

    wakeup.

    #340691
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    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 04 2013,03:32)

    Quote (Colter @ April 03 2013,23:09)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,06:12)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The kingdom is in the ub believers only.
    The ub kingdom.
    Not Gods kingdom.

    Gods kingdom is placed in us through knowledge.
    by knowledge we can see the great picture of the kingdom.
    By knowledge we can put the dots together and see the big picture of the kingdom.And the Holy bible *only* can provide the seekers with the big picture of the kingdom of God.No other book can.

    wakeup.


    That's book worship, I don't believe your doctrine created by evil priest to control you.

    The Books of the Bible themselves don't even claim divine authorship, that idolatrous idea came latter as a way for the clever to rule the ignorant through fear and superstitious awe.

    The UB doesn't claim to be the word of God. God is not an idol, but a living God.

    Colter


    Colter.

    If the ub is not from God,then you are worshipping mans word. And man is known to be corrupt.
    You are worshipping mans word.
                      ************
    One of Gods prophecy is being fulfilled right now.

    Revelation 17:16   And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her *desolate* and *naked*, and shall *eat her flesh*, and burn her with fire.

    THE 10 KINGS ARE PURPOSELY BANKRUPTING GOVENMENTS
    NOW. THE WHORE IS THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF THINGS.

     Revelation 17:17   For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    THE NWO WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD.THIS IS THE BEAST
    OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. SATANS BRAINCHILD.

    wakeup.


    Lots of darkness and fear in that post.

    The Halloween nonsense in much of The Book of Revelation bears no resemblance to the Loving Father revealed in the life of Jesus.

    One world government by the people, for the people, will mark an enormous milestone for mankind.

    Colter

    #340692
    Charity
    Participant

    I think the book of revelation is the expression of the time it was written in! Much can be gather from the deep emotional cry that has been delivered to us! It's not wasted, the condition of battle is valued an I am thankful an wise about this

    #340693
    Spock
    Participant

    Quote (Mary @ April 04 2013,05:57)
    I think the book of revelation is the expression of the time it was written in! Much can be gather from the deep emotional cry that has been delivered to us! It's not wasted, the condition of battle is valued an I am thankful an wise about this


    I think John sent his secretary to the printer with the manuscript and the lad dropped the papers, lost some and got the rest all mixed up but was to embarrassed to tell John so they just printed that rambling rant of lunacy.

    If no 2 people even agree on what the book reveals then it doesn’t reveal anything at all.

    The BOR was edited by apocalyptic writers, some material was removed as well.

    Colter

    #340708
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Colter @ April 04 2013,05:00)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 04 2013,03:32)

    Quote (Colter @ April 03 2013,23:09)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,06:12)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,23:09)

    Quote (david @ April 02 2013,15:35)

    Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,09:19)

    Quote (Mary @ April 02 2013,07:32)
    After a kingdoms truth has been attacked several times by other books, it may take some hard word to find establish them within the ruins of their generations,

    But one thing is sure! If that kingdom was grand! It may  not be found writing books to destroy others

    May god rise up the ruins of such a kingdom


    “the kingdom of heaven is within you”

    Colter


    No it isn't.


    Well maybe not in you, but the kingdom is in the believer.

    Colter


    Colter.

    The kingdom is in the ub believers only.
    The ub kingdom.
    Not Gods kingdom.

    Gods kingdom is placed in us through knowledge.
    by knowledge we can see the great picture of the kingdom.
    By knowledge we can put the dots together and see the big picture of the kingdom.And the Holy bible *only* can provide the seekers with the big picture of the kingdom of God.No other book can.

    wakeup.


    That's book worship, I don't believe your doctrine created by evil priest to control you.

    The Books of the Bible themselves don't even claim divine authorship, that idolatrous idea came latter as a way for the clever to rule the ignorant through fear and superstitious awe.

    The UB doesn't claim to be the word of God. God is not an idol, but a living God.

    Colter


    Colter.

    If the ub is not from God,then you are worshipping mans word. And man is known to be corrupt.
    You are worshipping mans word.
                      ************
    One of Gods prophecy is being fulfilled right now.

    Revelation 17:16   And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her *desolate* and *naked*, and shall *eat her flesh*, and burn her with fire.

    THE 10 KINGS ARE PURPOSELY BANKRUPTING GOVENMENTS
    NOW. THE WHORE IS THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF THINGS.

     Revelation 17:17   For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    THE NWO WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD.THIS IS THE BEAST
    OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. SATANS BRAINCHILD.

    wakeup.


    Lots of darkness and fear in that post.

    The Halloween nonsense in much of The Book of Revelation bears no resemblance to the Loving Father revealed in the life of Jesus.

    One world government by the people, for the people, will mark an enormous milestone for mankind.

    Colter


    Colrer.

    I dont know in which part of the world you live
    but America is now being bankrupted by design.
    Soon it will be Europe,and is on its way.
    America is now already under marshal law incase you dont know.Do you know what that means? Just as the Nazi under Hitler.

    America is bankrupt,Europe is bankrupt,only one thing to do,and that is to start a war,create chaos,and replace it with a new order. *NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM*.
    This will come,but it will only be for 3/half yrs.

    When this happen; the ub can not deliver you.
    The Lord promised his followers to give a little help.
    We must go through the fire to be purified,as pure gold.

    You have been duped in believing a lie.
    And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions,
    that they should believe a lie.

    That they all might be damned who believe not the truth
    but have pleasure in unrighteousness.

    wakeup.

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