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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,18:35) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 19 2013,17:37) Dear Ed J, Quote I have shown you mine already. 
You did not show it here.
page 60
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Dear Ed J,Quote page 60 post 5 I have checked it, there is no divine credentials of your group
Check the page 61. you can read again the divine credentials of the true messengers of God, back-up by the written prophecies mentioned by themselves (John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and Apostle Paul)
WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
lmj
Quote Do not tell me that Jesus, our Lord talk to you personally and telling to you everything how to be the true disciple of him Terraricca? Do not tell me that you have read the entire Bible and had found out the messages by reading alone the truth about God will?
answer to your first question is YES;
answer to you second question is YES but I have to say that I am not alone ,;MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
TO ALL:
WHO ARE YOU, WHY ARE YOU PREACHING, WHERE IS YOUR DIVINE CREDENTIALS (PROOFS) FROM THE SACRED SCRIPTURES??
Here is the good example of the divine credential: A man is preaching the “repentance of sins” and performing the new way of making the true chosen people of God. What is the divine credential of this man, what he had presented to the questioners?
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV)..
Is your group's founder has the same divine credential (divine proof) the same with John the Baptist, Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul, the written prophecies for them before they have been born to exist in this world???
If your answer is YES, then show it us here in heaven net, like what I had did.
If your answer is NO, then you have been cheated by your group's founder.
lmj
Quote If your answer is YES, then show it us here in heaven net, like what I had did. YOU HAVE SHOWN NOTHING FRIEND ,i HAVE OVER 17000 QUOTES IN MANY TOPICS AND i NEVER CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD LIKE YOU DID IN ONLY A FEW QUOTES (YOU HAVE REPEAT THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN)
YOU ARE LOST ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,13:50) lmj Quote Do not tell me that Jesus, our Lord talk to you personally and telling to you everything how to be the true disciple of him Terraricca? Do not tell me that you have read the entire Bible and had found out the messages by reading alone the truth about God will?
answer to your first question is YES;
answer to you second question is YES but I have to say that I am not alone ,;MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
Dear Terraricca,Quote answer to your first question is YES; answer to you second question is YES but I have to say that I am not alone ,;MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
The verse you have used as your divine credential is not a written prophecies for the founder of your group and could not be presented as the divine credential of yours. … and it is very unsafe to be used either by you and your two companion to be the basis that you know the truth, because there many people gathering in the name of Christ Jesus, nowadays in this world; … If we follow your posted verse, we must accept that all the people, more or less than 3 which gathering in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of their religious denomination with conflicting doctrines, are all in the truth. Therefore, we could not be recognized any more which are the false group?.
Got my point of view Dear Terraricca?
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,13:57) lmj Quote If your answer is YES, then show it us here in heaven net, like what I had did. YOU HAVE SHOWN NOTHING FRIEND ,i HAVE OVER 17000 QUOTES IN MANY TOPICS AND i NEVER CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD LIKE YOU DID IN ONLY A FEW QUOTES (YOU HAVE REPEAT THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN)
YOU ARE LOST ,
Dear Terraricca,Instead of talking a plain ideas originated from you own mind (John 8:40), why not just show us here the divine credential of the founder of your group/teachers/preachers???
Make it easily to understand and step by step like what I have done here.
verse after verse with clear explanation to every verse and do no do the posting of many verses like you are dumping the whole Bible and saying, go and read it! .. if you did it like that, you are showing the proofs against you, that your group denomination is the false group
John the baptist, Christ Jesus, and Apostle Paul have shown us the pattern to prove that they were the true messengers of God, to preach his words.[/B].
TO ALL:
WE ARE NOT HERE TO HAVE PERSONAL GUTS TO EACH OTHER. WE ARE HERE TO SHARE WHAT WE GOT AND COMPARE IT WHICH IS THE TRUTH. THE FINAL DECISION STILL AT OUR HANDS AND NOBODY AMONG US CAN SNATCH IT. FOR BEING THE SO CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD, WE SHOULD NOT BRANDED OR ACCUSING ANY ONE HERE WITH UN-PLEASANT WORDS.
Act as the children of light and be kind to everyone even though his/her sharing is too painful by affecting his/her beliefs.
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 23 2013,09:17) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,13:57) lmj Quote If your answer is YES, then show it us here in heaven net, like what I had did. YOU HAVE SHOWN NOTHING FRIEND ,i HAVE OVER 17000 QUOTES IN MANY TOPICS AND i NEVER CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD LIKE YOU DID IN ONLY A FEW QUOTES (YOU HAVE REPEAT THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN)
YOU ARE LOST ,
Dear Terraricca,Instead of talking a plain ideas originated from you own mind (John 8:40), why not just show us here the divine credential of the founder of your group/teachers/preachers???
Make it easily to understand and step by step like what I have done here.
verse after verse with clear explanation to every verse and do no do the posting of many verses like you are dumping the whole Bible and saying, go and read it! .. if you did it like that, you are showing the proofs against you, that your group denomination is the false group
John the baptist, Christ Jesus, and Apostle Paul have shown us the pattern to prove that they were the true messengers of God, to preach his words.[/B].
LMJQuote John the baptist, Christ Jesus, and Apostle Paul have shown us the pattern to prove that they were the true messengers of God, to preach his words.[/B]. WHY ARE YOU TEMPTING ME WITH FALSE EXPRESSIONS ;
JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS NEVER THE TEACHER OF CHRIST ,YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBLE MORE ;
Jn 1:20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.
Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ ”( WHO HIS THAT LORD)
Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”1CO 3:21 So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you,
1CO 4:7 For who regards you as superior? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?1CO 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel
2Co 11:12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
2Co 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.THIS WILL BE HELP FULL TO YOU TO SEE THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS OF YOUR OWN DESIRE NOT OF GOD'S
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 23 2013,09:28) TO ALL: WE ARE NOT HERE TO HAVE PERSONAL GUTS TO EACH OTHER. WE ARE HERE TO SHARE WHAT WE GOT AND COMPARE IT WHICH IS THE TRUTH. THE FINAL DECISION STILL AT OUR HANDS AND NOBODY AMONG US CAN SNATCH IT. FOR BEING THE SO CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD, WE SHOULD NOT BRANDED OR ACCUSING ANY ONE HERE WITH UN-PLEASANT WORDS.
Act as the children of light and be kind to everyone even though his/her sharing is too painful by affecting his/her beliefs.
LMJYES ,YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME ON THIS SITE AND SAY THAT YOUR PREACHER HIS THE ONLY PREACHER THAT AS TRUTH AND SO YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG ,
SO IF YOU TAKE A HUMBLE VIEW OF WHAT WE STAND FOR ,MAY BE THAT WOULD BE BETTER TO ALL EVEN YOU
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,14:30) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 23 2013,09:17) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,13:57) lmj Quote If your answer is YES, then show it us here in heaven net, like what I had did. YOU HAVE SHOWN NOTHING FRIEND ,i HAVE OVER 17000 QUOTES IN MANY TOPICS AND i NEVER CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD LIKE YOU DID IN ONLY A FEW QUOTES (YOU HAVE REPEAT THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN)
YOU ARE LOST ,
Dear Terraricca,Instead of talking a plain ideas originated from you own mind (John 8:40), why not just show us here the divine credential of the founder of your group/teachers/preachers???
Make it easily to understand and step by step like what I have done here.
verse after verse with clear explanation to every verse and do no do the posting of many verses like you are dumping the whole Bible and saying, go and read it! .. if you did it like that, you are showing the proofs against you, that your group denomination is the false group
John the baptist, Christ Jesus, and Apostle Paul have shown us the pattern to prove that they were the true messengers of God, to preach his words.[/B].
LMJQuote John the baptist, Christ Jesus, and Apostle Paul have shown us the pattern to prove that they were the true messengers of God, to preach his words.[/B]. WHY ARE YOU TEMPTING ME WITH FALSE EXPRESSIONS ;
JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS NEVER THE TEACHER OF CHRIST ,YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBLE MORE ;
Jn 1:20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.
Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ ”( WHO HIS THAT LORD)
Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”1CO 3:21 So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you,
1CO 4:7 For who regards you as superior? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?1CO 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel
2Co 11:12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
2Co 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Dear Terraricca,Quote WHY ARE YOU TEMPTING ME WITH FALSE EXPRESSIONS ;
THIS WILL BE HELP FULL TO YOU TO SEE THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS OF YOUR OWN DESIRE NOT OF GOD'SI have mentioned not only John the Baptist, our Lord Christ Jesus and the Apostles Paul and Barnabas, also were included. You better read back my dear pal.
You still did not understand well my post about the divine credential?
I am posting the very important matter how to know and to determine the true messengers of God, has the commission to preach the words of God and to know the false preachers?
Anyone in this world, should speak the very essential matters [size=20]about himself and this pattern is base with written testimony from the Bible.
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” ….. What do you say about yourself?”
What is the answer of John the Baptist to them? He had mentioned his divine credential by telling it to the questioners the prophecies regarding about him.
Here is John the Baptist, divine credential:color=orange]23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.”.
If your teachers/preachers/founder of your group has the same divine credential as of John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles, then what are you waiting for? show us here and give us the chance to study and scrutinize it.
TO THE ADMIN:
WHY THE ADMIN OF THIS HEAVEN NET DID NOT WANTED ME TO HAVE AN ACCESS FOR THE EDITING AND TO THE OTHER SYSTEM OF THIS PAGE???
Limj
Can you not see,that John the baptist did not claim any thing except that he was send for a purpose,well defined in the scriptures long before he came and preach,so it his with Christ,
Now Paul was called to go to preach to the Gentiles ,and then came the message of the apostles ,mention by Christ,
But your preacher was never mention he just substitute or address things to him that are for others,or he make up a story,by arranging some scriptures to mean what he would like it to be,
This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God,
So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 19 2013,17:40) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 17 2013,11:33) limjunus, yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them
may God open your eyes
Dear Jammin,Quote yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them Everyone can accuse but it must be supported by proofs; or else it could be deemed a “heresy”.
Better luck next time, accuser.
you want proof?let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,15:52) Limj Can you not see,that John the baptist did not claim any thing except that he was send for a purpose,well defined in the scriptures long before he came and preach,so it his with Christ,
Now Paul was called to go to preach to the Gentiles ,and then came the message of the apostles ,mention by Christ,
But your preacher was never mention he just substitute or address things to him that are for others,or he make up a story,by arranging some scriptures to mean what he would like it to be,
This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God,
So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
Dear Terraricca,Quote This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God, So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
That's your own speculation. I am expecting your negatives respond because your group has no Bible prophecies. You have failed to show the Biblical proofs that your group are founded by the true messenger/s of God
You even did not know the way how to determine the true and the false preacher/s base and according to the Biblical messages.
John the Baptist, Lord Jesus and the Apostles has their own written prophecies in the Book of prophet Isaiah. Our group has the same prophecies and you are trying to discarded it.
Here is the written prophecies for group. Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV.
Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2013,11:28) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 19 2013,17:40) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 17 2013,11:33) limjunus, yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them
may God open your eyes
Dear Jammin,Quote yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them Everyone can accuse but it must be supported by proofs; or else it could be deemed a “heresy”.
Better luck next time, accuser.
you want proof?let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?
Dear Jammin,you want proof?
let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?It is not a proof Jammin, it is a question?
Here is the written prophecies for our group (C.O.C). [color=green]Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV)
My answer to your question, Isa. 46:11 is YES.
But before you can give the meaning of the Bible verses, show your divine credential or proofs from the Bible that you have the authority to give the true meaning of the Bible verses, do you have? Yes or No?
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 25 2013,14:45) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2013,11:28) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 19 2013,17:40) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 17 2013,11:33) limjunus, yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them
may God open your eyes
Dear Jammin,Quote yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them Everyone can accuse but it must be supported by proofs; or else it could be deemed a “heresy”.
Better luck next time, accuser.
you want proof?let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?
Dear Jammin,you want proof?
let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?It is not a proof Jammin, it is a question?
Here is the written prophecies for our group (C.O.C). [color=green]Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV)
My answer to your question, Isa. 46:11 is YES.
But before you can give the meaning of the Bible verses, show your divine credential or proofs from the Bible that you have the authority to give the true meaning of the Bible verses, do you have? Yes or No?
Dear Jammin,you want proof?
let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?It is not a proof Jammin, it is a question?
Here is the written prophecies for our group (C.O.C). Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV).
My answer to your question, Isa. 46:11 is YES.
But before you can give the meaning of the Bible verses, show your divine credential or proofs from the Bible that you have the authority to give the true meaning of the Bible verses, do you have. YES OR NO?
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 25 2013,09:38) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,15:52) Limj Can you not see,that John the baptist did not claim any thing except that he was send for a purpose,well defined in the scriptures long before he came and preach,so it his with Christ,
Now Paul was called to go to preach to the Gentiles ,and then came the message of the apostles ,mention by Christ,
But your preacher was never mention he just substitute or address things to him that are for others,or he make up a story,by arranging some scriptures to mean what he would like it to be,
This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God,
So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
Dear Terraricca,Quote This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God, So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
That's your own speculation. I am expecting your negatives respond because your group has no Bible prophecies. You have failed to show the Biblical proofs that your group are founded by the true messenger/s of God
You even did not know the way how to determine the true and the false preacher/s base and according to the Biblical messages.
John the Baptist, Lord Jesus and the Apostles has their own written prophecies in the Book of prophet Isaiah. Our group has the same prophecies and you are trying to discarded it.
Here is the written prophecies for group. Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV.
lmjQuote That's your own speculation. I am expecting your negatives respond because your group has no Bible prophecies. You have failed to show the Biblical proofs that your group are founded by the true messenger/s of God do you realize that all those words can easy been told to you
i have no group but you have one ,you still confused ,
my messenger his Christ himself DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT
?Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 25 2013,14:45) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2013,11:28) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 19 2013,17:40) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 17 2013,11:33) limjunus, yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them
may God open your eyes
Dear Jammin,Quote yes false teacher are roaming…and manalo is one of them Everyone can accuse but it must be supported by proofs; or else it could be deemed a “heresy”.
Better luck next time, accuser.
you want proof?let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?
Dear Jammin,you want proof?
let me ask you first.
do you believe that manalo is the bird of prey in is 46.11?
yes or no?It is not a proof Jammin, it is a question?
Here is the written prophecies for our group (C.O.C). [color=green]Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV)
My answer to your question, Isa. 46:11 is YES.
But before you can give the meaning of the Bible verses, show your divine credential or proofs from the Bible that you have the authority to give the true meaning of the Bible verses, do you have? Yes or No?
im not yet done.LOL your messenger is truly a false teacher LOL
can you read in IS46.11 that the bird of prey is manalo?
give version boy and ill wait LOL
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2013,15:43) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 25 2013,09:38) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2013,15:52) Limj Can you not see,that John the baptist did not claim any thing except that he was send for a purpose,well defined in the scriptures long before he came and preach,so it his with Christ,
Now Paul was called to go to preach to the Gentiles ,and then came the message of the apostles ,mention by Christ,
But your preacher was never mention he just substitute or address things to him that are for others,or he make up a story,by arranging some scriptures to mean what he would like it to be,
This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God,
So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
Dear Terraricca,Quote This is what we all see here ,you have not shown ,truth,no understanding in scriptures exept scriptures of your own composition, and that is changing the way to receive the grace of God, So all this prove that you are a fake like false preacher.
That's your own speculation. I am expecting your negatives respond because your group has no Bible prophecies. You have failed to show the Biblical proofs that your group are founded by the true messenger/s of God
You even did not know the way how to determine the true and the false preacher/s base and according to the Biblical messages.
John the Baptist, Lord Jesus and the Apostles has their own written prophecies in the Book of prophet Isaiah. Our group has the same prophecies and you are trying to discarded it.
Here is the written prophecies for group. Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 KJV.
lmjQuote That's your own speculation. I am expecting your negatives respond because your group has no Bible prophecies. You have failed to show the Biblical proofs that your group are founded by the true messenger/s of God do you realize that all those words can easy been told to you
i have no group but you have one ,you still confused ,
my messenger his Christ himself DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT
?
Dear Terraricca,Quote i have no group but you have one ,you still confused , my messenger his Christ himself DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT
?Yes, you have a big problems. Because you have no overseers; you are out under the administration placing by God, in his church. Acts. 20:28 KJV.
You are not part of the body of Christ and not must members in particulars. 1 Cor. 12:27 KJV.
Jesus, our Lord, said you can not do anything except you have been bind with me, … I build the church for you and to save you through with it. Eph. 5:23 TEV
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