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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 09 2012,13:23) here is another one ;that all new converts are directed toward Jehovah God and Christ his son and so can only be a disciple of Christ by the message recieved from the direct disciples of Christ ,
Dear Terraricca,Your post is helping my stand. That we should receive the messages from the authorized preachers of the messages written in the Sacred Scriptures.
We could not escape hearing the words of God, from the preachers sent by Him.
The preachers bearing the “divine credential specially made and issue to them by God, before they could be born. ..the prophesies for them .. as their divine identification (I.D.).
Peace.
TO ALL:
You have failed to show the 'divine identification” of your so called preachers. You hath never introduces the testimony and the law as what God's requirement to speak in behalf of Him, to back-up the truthfulness of your recognized teachers or preachers.
Now is the time for you to think more seriously and become humble before God. Be respectful to his “words” and surrender your will under the God's will.
Do not hold your righteousness against the righteousness of God, .. you must throw out the devils ideas and be subjected to the God's ideas.
We really need the true preachers sent by God, if you are very real in seeking the truth of God.
May the Lord God bless you all.
Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 08 2012,22:42) To All: WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
Hi Limjunus, Sure do!…see Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”(74)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTO ALL:
We really need the true preachers sent by God, if you are very real in HEARING the WORDS of God..?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,15:54) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 08 2012,22:42) To All: WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
Hi Limjunus, Sure do!…see Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”(74)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EDJ.Where have you been old boy?
Is everything alright?
Nice to have you back.wakeup.
Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,11:14) This is how the MESSENGERS OF GOD will be known: Bible: The entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.
God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind.
Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith.
God’s Kingdom: They believe that God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail.
Heavenly life: They believe that spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him.
The earth: They believe that God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.
Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God’s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.
Separate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, as Jesus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Christian love for their neighbors, but they do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world’s avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure.
Apply Bible counsel: They believe that it is important to apply the counsel of God’s Word in everyday life now—at home, in school, in business, in their congregation.
(I am not here saying I want to discuss these things. I just want to see what limjunis has to say about these markers of true Christianity). I have yet to figure out exactly what he believes his divine credentials are, or should be.
Hi David,Wow that sounds like the “JW” credo.
I suppose we can assume that it is
since you are a member of their organization.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, I think you know all too well what happens when you assume.
If you actually read my posts above, or the post itself, you should be able to discern that I am merely trying an experiment. I've gotten a little frustrated with this particular thread and decided to shake it up.
Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 09 2012,14:37) Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,10:59) Ok. Ive decided I am going to try something different here. Should be interesting.
Dear david,You have decided to try something new here? It must be related to the thread or else it is better for you to try it with the new thread to be created and sponsor by you.
Well limjunis, since the thread is about who the messengers of god are and specifically their credentials, I thought I would post the actual real true credentials. It seems to be very related to this thread. If it is not, please explain what this read is about exactly.“By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35)
How do we identify Jesus disciples? They would have love among themselves.
This is the divine credential of the MESSENGERS OF GOD.
They have love among themselves and love of neighbour as well. They show this love by sharing the good news with everyone. (Mat 24:1; mat 28:19,20)
I submit that this is one of the divine credentials of the MESSENGERS OF GOD.
Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:28) Ed, I think you know all too well what happens when you assume. If you actually read my posts above, or the post itself, you should be able to discern that I am merely trying an experiment. I've gotten a little frustrated with this particular thread and decided to shake it up.
Hi David,My assumptions are correct as dictated by the right of denial clause. (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,17:36) Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:28) Ed, I think you know all too well what happens when you assume. If you actually read my posts above, or the post itself, you should be able to discern that I am merely trying an experiment. I've gotten a little frustrated with this particular thread and decided to shake it up.
Hi David,My assumptions are correct as dictated by the right of denial clause. (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed. You state at least 2 errors in your post.Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:38) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,17:36) Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:28) Ed, I think you know all too well what happens when you assume. If you actually read my posts above, or the post itself, you should be able to discern that I am merely trying an experiment. I've gotten a little frustrated with this particular thread and decided to shake it up.
Hi David,My assumptions are correct as dictated by the right of denial clause. (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed. You state at least 2 errors in your post.
If your assumptions must be correct for your rule to be correct, then your rule is wrong.“Are you familiar with the right of denial clause?
This clause dictates that you have the right to deny
inaccurate information about yourself (as in your belief).Refusing to exercise this right, is viewed as evidence to the accuracy
of the information that is currently being made known by someone or something.”While something may be “viewed” one way, that doesn't mean it is accurate. It only “tends” to point in that direction. it is not a rule of logic that cannot be broken. Also, having the right to deny something does not mean one must exercise that right.
Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:42) Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:38) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,17:36) Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:28) Ed, I think you know all too well what happens when you assume. If you actually read my posts above, or the post itself, you should be able to discern that I am merely trying an experiment. I've gotten a little frustrated with this particular thread and decided to shake it up.
Hi David,My assumptions are correct as dictated by the right of denial clause. (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
No Ed. You state at least 2 errors in your post.
If your assumptions must be correct for your rule to be correct, then your rule is wrong.“Are you familiar with the right of denial clause?
This clause dictates that you have the right to deny
inaccurate information about yourself (as in your belief).Refusing to exercise this right, is viewed as evidence to the accuracy
of the information that is currently being made known by someone or something.”While something may be “viewed” one way, that doesn't mean it is accurate. It only “tends” to point in that direction. it is not a rule of logic that cannot be broken. Also, having the right to deny something does not mean one must exercise that right.
Hi David,Not exercising that right is seen as evidence.
“It only “tends” to point in that direction.”
Thank you for agreeing with me!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgYou believe it is a rule.
It tends to be true generally speaking.
So, I didn't agree with you, but am pointing out your error.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,15:54) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 08 2012,22:42) To All: WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
Hi Limjunus, Sure do!…see Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”(74)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear david,So what is your point in posting the “Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”?
The children of Reuben and the children of Gad[a] called the altar, Witness, “For it is a witness between us that the Lord is God.”.
Ok, I think we have established who the true MESSENGERS OF GOD are and what their DIVINE CREDENTIALS are:
This is how the MESSENGERS OF GOD will be known:
Bible: The entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.
God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind.
Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith.
God’s Kingdom: They believe that God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail.
Preaching: in all the nations about the good news of Christ and the kingdom. (Mat 24:14; mat 28:19,20)
Heavenly life: They believe that spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him.
The earth: They believe that God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.
Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God’s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.
Separate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, as Jesus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Christian love for their neighbors, but they do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world’s avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure.
Apply Bible counsel: They believe that it is important to apply the counsel of God’s Word in everyday life now—at home, in school, in business, in their congregation.
(I am not here saying I want to discuss these things. I just want to see what limjunis has to say about these markers of true Christianity). I have yet to figure out exactly what he believes his divine credentials are, or should be.
t8 added:
They will be part of the Body of Christ and preach in the name of Jesus Christ. They will not speak in any other name including denominations and men. They will speak in the name of Jesus Christ whom YHWH sent.
And Pierre added concerning the MESSENGERS OF GOD:
that all new converts are directed toward Jehovah God and Christ his son and so can only be a disciple of Christ by the message recieved from the direct disciples of Christ
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,16:37) Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,11:14) This is how the MESSENGERS OF GOD will be known: Bible: The entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.
God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind.
Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith.
God’s Kingdom: They believe that God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail.
Heavenly life: They believe that spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him.
The earth: They believe that God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.
Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God’s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.
Separate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, as Jesus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Christian love for their neighbors, but they do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world’s avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure.
Apply Bible counsel: They believe that it is important to apply the counsel of God’s Word in everyday life now—at home, in school, in business, in their congregation.
(I am not here saying I want to discuss these things. I just want to see what limjunis has to say about these markers of true Christianity). I have yet to figure out exactly what he believes his divine credentials are, or should be.
Hi David,Wow that sounds like the “JW” credo.
I suppose we can assume that it is
since you are a member of their organization.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear david,The heading of your post is “misleading”.
The Bible or the words of God, did not conform with your supporting verses to determine the true messengers of God.
Your presentation is not the right protocol, test kit or barometer instrument to check the authenticity of the so called preachers of the words of God.
The basic and the fundamental knowledge that we can be sure it came truly from God, is to hear or listen first His words from the preachers He hath been sent; Believed and be baptized, then the believers can do the commandments/laws of God.
We could not just set aside the protocol of God, by calling the people to serve Him and be saved.
God, has His own procedures to be honored and be respected and we have no rights to disregard it.
Words of God: “14 But before people can pray to the Lord for help, they must believe in him. And before they can believe in the Lord, they must hear about him..
So, before those people can call the Lord, they must be the believers of Christ. … and before they can be the believers of Christ Jesus, they must be heard the words of God.
So, how those people can hear the words of God? by reading the Bible with a pure heart? …. or anybody holding and reading a Bible, then has authority to tell the truth about God?
Here is the clear answer from the Bible: “And for anyone to hear about the Lord, someone must tell them. 15 And before anyone can go and tell them, they must be sent..
Therefore, we could not set aside the “messengers” of God, because they have the sole authority from God, to tell the truth to those people needing the “faith” (believes). Romans 10:17)
If you will not accept the preacher sent by God, to tell His words to you, then His words would not abide in your heart. As what the testimony of the Bible against you.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. John 5:38 NKJV...
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