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Hi David,
Topic: “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD”, The true preachers of God
I would say these are two different things, what say you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 25 2012,05:19) A preacher is someone who declares a message (from God). How do you think they are different?
davidpreach verb \ˈprēch\
Definition of PREACH
intransitive verb
1
: to deliver a sermon
2
: to urge acceptance or abandonment of an idea or course of action; specifically : to exhort in an officious or tiresome manner
transitive verb
1
: to set forth in a sermon
2
: to advocate earnestly
3
: to deliver (as a sermon) publicly
4
: to bring, put, or affect by preaching
— preach·er noun
— preach·ing·ly adverb
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The minister preached to the congregation about the need for tolerance.
His followers listened to him preach the gospel.
The priest preached a regular sermon that Sunday.
Their mother has always preached the value of a good education.
Practice what you preach—don't smoke if you tell your children not to smoke.
The mayor continues to preach about the need for patience.
I don't like being preached at about how I should live my life.
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THE MESSAGE DOES NOT AS TO BE FROM GOD
Quote (david @ Oct. 25 2012,10:19) A preacher is someone who declares a message (from God). How do you think they are different?
Hi David,It can be summed up this a-way:
“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” are responsible for the written word.
The true preachers of God are responsible for disseminating it.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:19) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 24 2012,21:14) [/B]20. For no prophecy recorded in Scripture was ever thought up by the prophet himself. It was the Holy Spirit within these godly men who gave them true messages from God. (2-Peter 1:20 Living Bible)
The man of God, can give the true meaning of the prophesies with the guidance of the holy spirit.
May the Lord God, bless us day and night.
LMJTRUE
Terraricca,My dear friend,
20. For no prophecy recorded in Scripture was ever thought up by the prophet himself. It was the Holy Spirit within these godly men who gave them true messages from God.
(2-Peter 1:20 Living Bible)
Prophet= Preacher sent by God.
1After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3. saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
(Revelation 7:1-3 NKJV)How to seal the servants of God, to their foreheads and what is the seal of the living God?
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:34) it is not the preacher that his important IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN THAT GOES IN THE MIND AND HEART OF THOSE WHO HEAR IT ,IT IS CALLED “THE LIVING WORD “IT DOES SOMETHING TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE RIGHT GROUND( THE HEARER) WERE THE SEED(THE MESSAGE) FALLS ON, SO THAT IT IS NOT THE PREACHER OR THE TEACHER MESSAGE BUT GODS MESSAGE THAT DOES THE WORK ,
THE PREACHERS IS ONLY A PART OF THE WORK THAT GOD WANT HIM TO DO ,TO SHOW LOVE FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS GOD AND FATHER ,SO ALSO IT IS FOR THE TEACHERS
GOD SPIRIT DOES THE REAL WORK.
Dear Terraricca,By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God.
The words of God, has given not directly to the listeners but through the preacher sent by God.
As per the written testimony: How they can be heard without the preacher? Meant, the preacher is the one to be used by God to tell His living words.
After the people had listened with the living words of God, faith comes among the listeners.
The Holy Scriptures is very much silent to the claims of the other so called christian believers that “we do not need the preachers from God, just read the Bible,.. Presto and we had got the living words of God, and live with it based wit our own individual interpretations..
That method is too dangerous and it could bring all of us to the verge of condemnation. Why? imagine, everyone of from us have each own interpretations to the words of God, and the worst is, we are not in conformity to what we have believing for. The other shall says: This is the right one for me and the other will said: No! this the right ways.
Where is the unity? God, is not God of confusions.
Terraricca,
My dear friend.
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13. till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; (Eph. 4:11-13 NKJV)
We need to come for the unity of our faith,.. unity in the knowledge of the Son of God,…” and God, knows that we need to be govern by His appointed people. To be the elders of the church of Christ,.. as the over all administrator.
God, placing different positions and functions inside the church. Here is the salt.
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30. Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31. But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way. (1 Cor. 12:28-30 NKJV)
Terraricca, It is true that the truth of God, is too painful to the oppossers but, if we are willing and ready to surrender our own will to the will of God, the painstaking shall be automatically healed.
God bless you.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:34) it is not the preacher that his important IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN THAT GOES IN THE MIND AND HEART OF THOSE WHO HEAR IT ,IT IS CALLED “THE LIVING WORD “IT DOES SOMETHING TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE RIGHT GROUND( THE HEARER) WERE THE SEED(THE MESSAGE) FALLS ON, SO THAT IT IS NOT THE PREACHER OR THE TEACHER MESSAGE BUT GODS MESSAGE THAT DOES THE WORK ,
THE PREACHERS IS ONLY A PART OF THE WORK THAT GOD WANT HIM TO DO ,TO SHOW LOVE FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS GOD AND FATHER ,SO ALSO IT IS FOR THE TEACHERS
GOD SPIRIT DOES THE REAL WORK.
Dear Terraricca,By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God.
The words of God, has given not directly to the listeners but through the preacher sent by God.
As per the written testimony: How they can be heard without the preacher? Meant, the preacher is the one to be used by God to tell His living words.
After the people had listened with the living words of God, faith comes among the listeners.
The Holy Scriptures is very much silent to the claims of the other so called christian believers that “we do not need the preachers from God, just read the Bible,.. Presto and we had got the living words of God, and live with it based wit our own individual interpretations..
That method is too dangerous and it could bring all of us to the verge of condemnation. Why? imagine, everyone of from us have each own interpretations to the words of God, and the worst is, we are not in conformity to what we have believing for. The other shall says: This is the right one for me and the other will said: No! this the right ways.
Where is the unity? God, is not God of confusions.
lmjread this ;
1CO 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.
2CO 4:5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
Phil 1:17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
Phil 1:18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.before saying things to fast make some inquiries first
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,10:30) Terraricca, My dear friend.
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13. till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; (Eph. 4:11-13 NKJV)
We need to come for the unity of our faith,.. unity in the knowledge of the Son of God,…” and God, knows that we need to be govern by His appointed people. To be the elders of the church of Christ,.. as the over all administrator.
God, placing different positions and functions inside the church. Here is the salt.
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30. Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31. But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way. (1 Cor. 12:28-30 NKJV)
Terraricca, It is true that the truth of God, is too painful to the oppossers but, if we are willing and ready to surrender our own will to the will of God, the painstaking shall be automatically healed.
God bless you.
lmjAnd now I will show you the most excellent way.
1Co 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1Co 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
1Co 13:10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
1Co 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
1Co 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.THIS SCRIPTURES ARE SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES
LMJ
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13. till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; (Eph. 4:11-13 NKJV)
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Eph 4:7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.
Eph 4:8 This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men.”
Eph 4:9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions ?
Eph 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Eph 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Eph 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
Eph 4:15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Eph 4:16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.IT SEEMS THAT IT WAS CHRIST THAT APPOINTED THE APOSTLES ,BUT AS PAUL SAYS HE HAS GIVEN TO ALL TRUE BELIEVERS ACCORDING TO THEIR NEED
WE HAVE TO GO AND REACH FOR MATURITY IN OUR FAITH
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 25 2012,09:53) Hi David, Topic: “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD”, The true preachers of God
I would say these are two different things, what say you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,I called you brother in Christ, even though we are not with us. Just for the courtesy of our discussion in Christ words, I am presuming even for a moment that you are my brother in Christ. .. and to avoid the mis-understanding, from now on I will address you as Mr. Ed J.
“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” …. meant for; all the messengers of God, either celestial being (spiritual being) and human being (human kind).
God, can send any one from them anywhere.
Spiritual being based with the Bible, send by God, for a very specific task and in a short period of time, then the messenger from heavenly place shall go back to where he is come from.
God communicated to the selected persons directly as what He had wish during the times of the Patriarch.
Our Creator, choose the persons according to His wishes and make them as His prophets during the time of the Prophets.
Since God, had appointed His own prophets, He begin to tell them to write His will through visions and dreams and instructed them to tell or read it before the nation of God (chosen people).
The main purposes of the messengers of God, celestial or human being is, to bring the news or the messages or words from God, to the concern people He wanted to be informed.
That pattern of God, in telling His messages to His people from the times of the prophet downward into our times has been implemented and has been preserved, honored and observed by God Himself.
Book of Roman 10:14-15, 17 and Isaiah 8:20 NKJV.
God bless you.
Quote (david @ Oct. 25 2012,10:19) A preacher is someone who declares a message (from God). How do you think they are different?
Dear David,“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” …. meant for; all the messengers of God, either celestial being (spiritual being) and human being (human kind).
God, can send any one from them anywhere.
Spiritual being based with the Bible, send by God, for a very specific task and in a short period of time, then the messenger from heavenly place shall go back to where he is come from.
God communicated to the selected persons directly as what He had wish during the times of the Patriarch.
Our Creator, choose the persons according to His wishes and make them as His prophets during the time of the Prophets.
Since God, had appointed His own prophets, He begin to tell them to write His will through visions and dreams and instructed them to tell or read it before the nation of God (chosen people).
The main purposes of the messengers of God, celestial or human being is, to bring the news or the messages or words from God, to the concern people He wanted to be informed.
That pattern of God, in telling His messages to His people from the times of the prophet downward into our times has been implemented and has been preserved, honored and observed by God Himself.
Book of Roman 10:14-15, 17 and Isaiah 8:20 NKJV.
God bless you.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,15:46) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:34) it is not the preacher that his important IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN THAT GOES IN THE MIND AND HEART OF THOSE WHO HEAR IT ,IT IS CALLED “THE LIVING WORD “IT DOES SOMETHING TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE RIGHT GROUND( THE HEARER) WERE THE SEED(THE MESSAGE) FALLS ON, SO THAT IT IS NOT THE PREACHER OR THE TEACHER MESSAGE BUT GODS MESSAGE THAT DOES THE WORK ,
THE PREACHERS IS ONLY A PART OF THE WORK THAT GOD WANT HIM TO DO ,TO SHOW LOVE FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS GOD AND FATHER ,SO ALSO IT IS FOR THE TEACHERS
GOD SPIRIT DOES THE REAL WORK.
Dear Terraricca,By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God.
The words of God, has given not directly to the listeners but through the preacher sent by God.
As per the written testimony: How they can be heard without the preacher? Meant, the preacher is the one to be used by God to tell His living words.
After the people had listened with the living words of God, faith comes among the listeners.
The Holy Scriptures is very much silent to the claims of the other so called christian believers that “we do not need the preachers from God, just read the Bible,.. Presto and we had got the living words of God, and live with it based wit our own individual interpretations..
That method is too dangerous and it could bring all of us to the verge of condemnation. Why? imagine, everyone of from us have each own interpretations to the words of God, and the worst is, we are not in conformity to what we have believing for. The other shall says: This is the right one for me and the other will said: No! this the right ways.
Where is the unity? God, is not God of confusions.
lmjread this ;
1CO 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.
2CO 4:5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
Phil 1:17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
Phil 1:18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.before saying things to fast make some inquiries first
Dear Terraricca,You did not place your point or conclusion.
So, what is your point or conclusion to the verse you have post?
You still with your stand that by obtaining the messages of God, we really do not need the true preachers from God?
I could not find the verses that could be used to support your stand, where is it?
Peace.
Dear Terraricca, my friend.
God communicated to the selected persons directly as what He had wish during the times of the Patriarch.
Our Creator, choose the persons according to His wishes and make them as His prophets during the time of the Prophets.
Since God, had appointed His own prophets, He begin to tell them to write His will through visions and dreams and instructed them to tell or read it before the nation of God (chosen people).
The main purposes of the messengers of God, celestial or human being is, to bring the news or the messages or words from God, to the concern people He wanted to be informed.
That pattern of God, in telling His messages to His people from the times of the prophet downward into our times has been implemented and has been preserved, honored and observed by God Himself.
Book of Roman 10:14-15, 17 and Isaiah 8:20 NKJV.
God bless you.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,11:10) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,15:46) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:34) it is not the preacher that his important IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN THAT GOES IN THE MIND AND HEART OF THOSE WHO HEAR IT ,IT IS CALLED “THE LIVING WORD “IT DOES SOMETHING TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE RIGHT GROUND( THE HEARER) WERE THE SEED(THE MESSAGE) FALLS ON, SO THAT IT IS NOT THE PREACHER OR THE TEACHER MESSAGE BUT GODS MESSAGE THAT DOES THE WORK ,
THE PREACHERS IS ONLY A PART OF THE WORK THAT GOD WANT HIM TO DO ,TO SHOW LOVE FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS GOD AND FATHER ,SO ALSO IT IS FOR THE TEACHERS
GOD SPIRIT DOES THE REAL WORK.
Dear Terraricca,By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God.
The words of God, has given not directly to the listeners but through the preacher sent by God.
As per the written testimony: How they can be heard without the preacher? Meant, the preacher is the one to be used by God to tell His living words.
After the people had listened with the living words of God, faith comes among the listeners.
The Holy Scriptures is very much silent to the claims of the other so called christian believers that “we do not need the preachers from God, just read the Bible,.. Presto and we had got the living words of God, and live with it based wit our own individual interpretations..
That method is too dangerous and it could bring all of us to the verge of condemnation. Why? imagine, everyone of from us have each own interpretations to the words of God, and the worst is, we are not in conformity to what we have believing for. The other shall says: This is the right one for me and the other will said: No! this the right ways.
Where is the unity? God, is not God of confusions.
lmjread this ;
1CO 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.
2CO 4:5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
Phil 1:17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
Phil 1:18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.before saying things to fast make some inquiries first
Dear Terraricca,You did not place your point or conclusion.
So, what is your point or conclusion to the verse you have post?
You still with your stand that by obtaining the messages of God, we really do not need the true preachers from God?
I could not find the verses that could be used to support your stand, where is it?
Peace.
LMJQuote By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God. THIS IS WHAT YOU ACCUSE ME OF ;
and so I quoted you those scriptures do you understand them
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,11:11) Dear Terraricca, my friend. God communicated to the selected persons directly as what He had wish during the times of the Patriarch.
Our Creator, choose the persons according to His wishes and make them as His prophets during the time of the Prophets.
Since God, had appointed His own prophets, He begin to tell them to write His will through visions and dreams and instructed them to tell or read it before the nation of God (chosen people).
The main purposes of the messengers of God, celestial or human being is, to bring the news or the messages or words from God, to the concern people He wanted to be informed.
That pattern of God, in telling His messages to His people from the times of the prophet downward into our times has been implemented and has been preserved, honored and observed by God Himself.
Book of Roman 10:14-15, 17 and Isaiah 8:20 NKJV.
God bless you.
LmjRo 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
Ro 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”
Ro 10:19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
“I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.”
Ro 10:20 And Isaiah boldly says,
“I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”
Ro 10:21 But concerning Israel he says,
“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.”IT IS THE MESSAGE ,AND WITHIN THEIR HIS THE LIVING WORDS ,IF YOUR HEART IS NOT SET TO HEAR IT YOU WILL HEAR IT BUT IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR YOU,JUST AS IN JESUS TIME AND PREACHINGS
Dear Terraricca,
The messengers of God, assigned to in the Christian Era, has the written prophesied tru Prophet Isaiah before their time of birth and their generation.
The written prophesies for them has been used by the destined preachers as their divine identification (D.I.D) specially made by God, for the time of Christianity.
The religious people during the 1st century of the Christianity is very much different compare to the people nowadays.
The preachers of God, in the 1st century Christian generation, were having no difficulty in presenting themselves before the people. They just mentioning the written prophesies of the Prophets, the listeners who were asking who are they, where they come from? after the messengers of God, presenting their D.I.D. no more questions.
But nowadays, the messengers of God, were having many difficulties. Even though the preachers are presenting the D.I.D. (divine identification made by God) ..people still in doubting mood; because of their own religious affiliations, commitments and ego.
Is there preachers nowadays with the D.I.D.? Yes.
Here is the D.I.D. Book of Isaiah 43:5-7, 10 J. Moffat.
5. Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the far east, And gather you from the far west; 6. I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth.
Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth 7. Everyone who is called by My name, Whom I have created for My glory; I have formed him, yes, I have made him.”
10. “You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. .
Who is claiming these prophesies?
Here is the link to find out who is claiming the above mentioned prophesies? http://incmedia.org/incms/
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,16:12) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,11:10) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,15:46) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 25 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:34) it is not the preacher that his important IT IS THE MESSAGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN THAT GOES IN THE MIND AND HEART OF THOSE WHO HEAR IT ,IT IS CALLED “THE LIVING WORD “IT DOES SOMETHING TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE RIGHT GROUND( THE HEARER) WERE THE SEED(THE MESSAGE) FALLS ON, SO THAT IT IS NOT THE PREACHER OR THE TEACHER MESSAGE BUT GODS MESSAGE THAT DOES THE WORK ,
THE PREACHERS IS ONLY A PART OF THE WORK THAT GOD WANT HIM TO DO ,TO SHOW LOVE FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS GOD AND FATHER ,SO ALSO IT IS FOR THE TEACHERS
GOD SPIRIT DOES THE REAL WORK.
Dear Terraricca,By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God.
The words of God, has given not directly to the listeners but through the preacher sent by God.
As per the written testimony: How they can be heard without the preacher? Meant, the preacher is the one to be used by God to tell His living words.
After the people had listened with the living words of God, faith comes among the listeners.
The Holy Scriptures is very much silent to the claims of the other so called christian believers that “we do not need the preachers from God, just read the Bible,.. Presto and we had got the living words of God, and live with it based wit our own individual interpretations..
That method is too dangerous and it could bring all of us to the verge of condemnation. Why? imagine, everyone of from us have each own interpretations to the words of God, and the worst is, we are not in conformity to what we have believing for. The other shall says: This is the right one for me and the other will said: No! this the right ways.
Where is the unity? God, is not God of confusions.
lmjread this ;
1CO 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.
2CO 4:5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
Phil 1:17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
Phil 1:18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.before saying things to fast make some inquiries first
Dear Terraricca,You did not place your point or conclusion.
So, what is your point or conclusion to the verse you have post?
You still with your stand that by obtaining the messages of God, we really do not need the true preachers from God?
I could not find the verses that could be used to support your stand, where is it?
Peace.
LMJQuote By posting that the Preacher is not important,.. You are at war with God, opposing the words of God, is making war with God. THIS IS WHAT YOU ACCUSE ME OF ;
and so I quoted you those scriptures do you understand them
Dear Terraricca,I did not.
There are no verses from the Bible that it says” THE PREACHERS SENT BY GOD ARE NOT SO IMPORTANT”
Where the words “it is not the preacher that his important” came from?
The Bible is shouting very loudly that the Preachers from God, is very much essential in propagating the gospel of Christ.
It is common to us everyone that the words of God is very much important for the salvation of our souls but it is not common that there is another important in regards with listening to the words of God. The preachers sent by God, or the messenger of God, in human kind.
I am very sorry if I have offended, I do not mean it.
Peace bee with us.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,15:58) LMJ And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13. till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; (Eph. 4:11-13 NKJV)
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Eph 4:7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.
Eph 4:8 This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men.”
Eph 4:9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions ?
Eph 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Eph 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Eph 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
Eph 4:15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Eph 4:16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.IT SEEMS THAT IT WAS CHRIST THAT APPOINTED THE APOSTLES ,BUT AS PAUL SAYS HE HAS GIVEN TO ALL TRUE BELIEVERS ACCORDING TO THEIR NEED
WE HAVE TO GO AND REACH FOR MATURITY IN OUR FAITH
Dear Terraricca,You still not seeing the very importance of the messenger of God. You still holding your own reasoning and not the righteousness of God.
Only the messenger of God, with the D.I.D. can tell the words of God to the people and not you or me; except the one who have teach the words of God with us is the true messengers of God.
Here is the salt: John 3:34 NKJV.
34For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
You need light Terraricca? You need a preacher sent by God with D.I.D (Isaiah 8:20)
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