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October 24, 2012 at 3:45 am#351965

limjunus

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2012,03:42)

limj

do you see on your quotes when you are sign in on your top right side EDIT- QUOTE or do you see only QUOTE

if you see only QUOTE then you have to request through a PM to t8 ;who his the owner of the site ,PM means personal Message

to do that just click on t8 ” name and you will see in the window that now open “send a personal message ” then click on it and follow instrution and make your request to obtain EDITING RIGHTS ”

he will respond within a few days ,or if accepted you will see the EDIT ikon next to the quote ikon and so just click on it to do your corrections ,

I hope this would help you

Dear Terraicca,

Copy and clear.

Thanks a lot

October 24, 2012 at 4:20 am#351966

limjunus

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,02:32)

If people refuse to put themselves under the yoke of your religious organization,
you think that you can deny them entrance into God's kingdom? There is no evidence
whatsoever of them doing any iniquity for you to make such grandiose accusations with.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Dear Ed J,

Point of clarification:I am not the one telling that “they could not enter to the kingdom of God” even though the other men can do miracles and mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus. He himself hath announced it. and I did not accusing them of any wrong doing, the Holy Scriptures is the one said that all the entire people in this world has been condemned. Here is the testimony of the Sacred Scriptures: Book of Romans 3:19 NLT.

“Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.”

21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Christ Jesus, is declaring that they did not knew them and not me.

Please, it is not our business to accuse anybody here in Heaven Net. Let us do our utmost best to cease in posting the context that could be deemed “as a plain accusation to anyone”.

Peace be with us.

October 24, 2012 at 4:30 am#351967

limjunus

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Dear Terraricca,

You are out of the main topic.

Our issue is “the true preachers sent by God”.

I will now focus on this topic.

David,

Thanks a lot by focusing with main topic.

God bless you.

Sorry, went off topic in that last post. But I think I explained why. I am really jot even sure what we are supposed to be discussing in this thread: the fact that preaching is good? Or that the messengers of god should preach? I think we all know that. Has anyone disagreed with this?

Dear David,

I am in the second of the motion.

October 24, 2012 at 4:48 am#351968

limjunus

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Quote (david @ Oct. 24 2012,10:59)

I certainly know that most groups have conflicting doctrines, and thus, all cannot represent truth. I also know that extremely few groups are making any real attempt to preach to everyone.

There are you guys, which I've never heard of, up until a few days ago. There are Mormons, and JW's, and a couple other groups. There are many small groups that say they preach, such as through this forum for example. Yet, as for them, your point about conflicting doctrines stands. A thousand tiny groups that are preaching very different things are not united, and by definition, cannot all be speaking the truth.

So, my question then must become: what makes your group different from any other group claiming the same things?

Now, I agree with you on the importance of preaching. So, my question becomes:

AS MESSENGERS OF GOD, you would not want to alter the message of the bible as it originally appeared, with Gods name, being an integral part of the Bible message. The sanctification if his name is something you pray for. (Mat 6:9). Yet, I'm not completely certain you actually know that God has a personal name, that his enemies have tried to hide.
(Ps 83:18; KjV)

I am just trying to determine what you and your religion are all about.
I understand hat you like preaching, as certain other groups also do.

David.

My dear David,

How did you know that the church where I am belong to is, claiming the same things with the other churches do (different religious groups) the same???

I have made this thread “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” to prove that there is a big different with the church that I am presenting and compare her to the other churches scattered around the world. …. and I am humbly requesting you to have your attention be in focus with the issue.

I am doing my very best to share the very importance of the matters with you people out there.

May the Lord God, bless us.

October 24, 2012 at 4:55 am#351969

limjunus

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These churches nowadays could not be deemed as one body or organization. Because the true church of Christ is under by one administration and having a uniform or unity in the doctrines.

Do not tell me the the head of the Roman Catholic church has the power to rule the Seventh Day Adventist church and the Baptist church and the other churches not affiliated with Catholic church. do you?

Hi lim,

I am perhaps one of the only people on here who in the past made the exact same arguments you are making. “A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.” And so, I completely understand and have argued the same point myself. Most people in here think differently, that there are true Christians in various opposing religions, or there are individuals who don't belong to any organization. (Yet, we know they don't agree with each other either; even the 3 moderators on here disagree over most everything; so, individuals don't represent truth either). It seems to make sense that there would be one group, that is unitedly preaching, to all the nations, before the end comes. (Mat 24:14). We are one the same page on that one.

Dear David,

October 24, 2012 at 5:00 am#351970

limjunus

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To the owner of “Heaven Net”

I am so thankful for allowing me here with your forum to share my spiritual views.

May the Lord God, bless you all..

October 24, 2012 at 5:05 am#351971

Ed J

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Hi, limjunus.

David made the excellent point that those 'claiming' to be the true messengers of YHVH,
should at least know the name of him they are 'suppose' to be representing. …which I agree.

Heb 6:18 say that there are “TWO” immutable things about YHVH.
If your group is indeed true messengers of YHVH, as you are claiming
them to be, then the answer should be simple enough? …so what is it?

So I ask again, what are these “TWO” immutable things about YHVH?

Please quit trying to duck the hard questions!

“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for
God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled
for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:” (Heb 6:18)

1. He cannot Lie.
2. ? (please tell us what the other is)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 24, 2012 at 5:15 am#351972

Ed J

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God bless
Ed J

Dear Ed J,

“Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.”

21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Christ Jesus, is declaring that they did not knew them and not me.

Please, it is not our business to accuse anybody here in Heaven Net. Let us do our utmost best to cease in posting the context that could be deemed “as a plain accusation to anyone”.

Peace be with us.

Hi limjunus,

Are you suggesting that Matt.7:21-22 is in reference somehow to
those John was referring to in Mark 9:38? …if so, what evidence do you have? (1Thess.5:21)
Jesus clearly said in Mark 9:39 to forbid them not from not following them, yet you appear to be doing the opposite here. …are you not?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 24, 2012 at 5:36 am#351973

david

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It seems to make sense that there would be one group, that is unitedly preaching, to all the nations, before the end comes. (Mat 24:14). We are one the same page on that one.–david

I can understand that point ,but if we think about it ,it does not make sense either,look what scriptures says ;

Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

in this scripture you can see that the leaders of God people does not understand and so can not accept the teachings ;

yet it is out of that nation that Christ the son of God has taken the most important part for his kingdom, the 12 apostles,

he pick them out ,as individuals not as a group,

this group was united like no man could be (Paul being the twelveth)truth out of their mouth was holy ,but not so with many others ,

and separation occured early in the congregations ,and unholy behavior was more common in some than others,

Rev 22:9 But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

look what the angel of the Lord says to John HE HIS A SERVANT WITH HIM AND HIS BROTHERS ;;A'AND ALL WHO KEEP THE WORDS OF THIS BOOK ;;

I do not see a group in there DO YOU

–Terr

((Underline and bold added))

The first few verses you quoted don't really help what you said.

Here is what I know:

The earliest Christians did not worship merely as individuals but were organized into congregations and were united under overseers and a central body of elders that looked to Jesus as Head. (Acts 14:21-23; 15:1-31; Eph 1:22; 1 Tim 3:1-13)

Yes, there was an apostasy, with weeds among wheat, and wolves, and all that.

If the true congregation of God were composed of persons scattered throughout all the church systems of Christendom, where would be the unity in thought and action? Where would be the unity that governed the early church and that is so emphatically described in the letter to the Ephesians, chapter 4: “One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons, who is over all and through all and in all”? (Verses 4-6)

It's quite definitely possible to be completely, blindingly, ignorantly wrong and not be associated with a denomination as well.
There are a lot of people that aren't a part of any denomination and are completely wrong.
The very fact that each person not belonging to a denomination has their own unique beliefs indicates that the majority of them have to be wrong. They are following men as well–themselves.

If Christ's body is divided, then it will fall.
“Every kingdom divided against itself comes to desolation, and a house [divided] against itself falls.”–Jesus

Saying that they have something in common because they all believe in God???
Even the demons believe (and shudder) in God.

Most religious organizations have produced bad fruitage. IT IS NOT THE FACT THAT GROUPS ARE ORGANIZED THAT IS BAD. But many have promoted forms of worship that are based on false teachings and are largely ritualistic instead of providing genuine spiritual guidance; they have been misused to control the lives of people for selfish objectives; they have been overly concerned with money collections and ornate houses of worship instead of spiritual values; their members are often hypocritical.

HERE IS ARE SOME SCRIPTURES YOU PERHAPS HAVEN'T CONSIDERED WITH REGARD TO THIS:

Heb. 10:24, 25: “Let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near.” (Compare Rom 1:1,2)
(To carry out this Scriptural command, there must be Christian meetings that we can attend on a consistent basis. Such an arrangement encourages us to express love toward others, not only concern about self. To where would a person direct interested ones so they could obey this command if there were no organization with regular meetings where they could gather?)

1 Cor. 1:10: “Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
(Such unity would never be achieved if the individuals did not meet together, benefit from the same spiritual feeding program, and respect the agency through which such instruction was provided. See also John 17:20, 21.)
(Such unity does not exist among the varied churches of Christendom.)

1 Pet. 2:17: “Have love for the whole association of brothers.”
(Does that include only those who may meet together for worship in a particular private home? Not at all; it is an international brotherhood, as shown by Galatians 2:8, 9 and 1 Corinthians 16:19.)

1 Pet. 2:9, 17: “But you are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. . . . Have love for the whole association of brothers.” (An association of people whose efforts are directed to accomplish a particular work is an organization.)

ACTS 15:14: “Syḿe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.”

Matt. 24:14; 28:19,20: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them . . . teaching them.”
(For all nations to be given the opportunity to hear that good news, the preaching must be carried out in an orderly way, with suitable oversight. How would this be accomplished without organization? When Jesus trained his early disciples for this work, He did not simply tell each one to go wherever he desired and to share his faith in whatever way he chose. He trained them, gave them instructions and sent them out in an organized manner. See Luke 8:1; 9:1-6; 10:1-16.)

1 Cor. 14:33, 40: “God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace. . . . Let all things take place decently and by arrangement.” (The apostle Paul is here discussing orderly procedure at congregation meetings. Applying this inspired counsel requires respect for organization.)

Are those who are faithful servants of God simply individuals who are scattered in the various churches of Christendom?

2 Cor. 6:15-18: “What portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? . . . ‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’; ‘and I will take you in.’ ‘And I shall be a father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.”
(Is a person really a faithful servant of God if he continues to share in worship with those who show by their way of life that they really are unbelievers?)

John 10:16: “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those a
lso I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.”
(Since Jesus would bring such ones into “one flock,” is it not obvious that they could not be scattered in Christendom’s religions?)

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I do not see a group in there DO YOU

–Ter,

Here is what I see: A global preaching work foretold for the last days. If this preaching work is carried out by the COC, then at least it is the same message being heard everywhere (not sure how global their work is though). But if it is just individuals, who all teach or preach different things….I mean, for years, I pointed out that the 2 moderators of the time Nick and T8 couldn't even agree on some fundamental things, like whether or not God tortures people in fire for eternity.

david

October 24, 2012 at 5:57 am#351976

david

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How we could determine who is the true preachers among them?

This thread is open to all contributors.

–Lim, 2nd post.

I'm still not 100% certain what this thread is about, but to me, it feels like it is about “who are the true preachers,” the true “messengers of God”? And it began by pointing out that we must call on the name of God to be saved, and there must be people preaching in order for you to hear that you should call on God's name. Which brings us back to the idea of the preachers themselves.

Let's look at preaching.

MATTHEW 28:19-20
“Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”” (A command by the one who in verse 18 is referred to as having all authority in heaven and on earth. It is a command to be obeyed. This command itself is one of the things that would be taught to new disciples.)

So, all Christians would “go” and make more disciples.

MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

So, this kingdom preaching work would be global. It will be accomplished to God's satisfaction before the end comes.

ACTS 10:42
“Also, he ORDERED US TO PREACH to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the One decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.”

So, it's not really an option, but more of a command, or order.

WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL?

1 CORINTHIANS 11:1
“Become imitators of me, even as I am of Christ.”

1 CORINTHIANS 9:23
“But I do all things for the sake of the good news, that I may become a sharer of it with [others].”

1 CORINTHIANS 9:16
“If, now, I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, WOE IS ME IF I DID NOT DECLARE THE GOOD NEWS!”

ACTS 20:26-27
“Hence I call YOU to witness this very day that I am clean from the blood of all men, for I have not held back from telling YOU all the counsel of God.” (Compare 1 Tim 4:16)

A person, if knowing that God has warned mankind, does not also try to deliver this message, is then blood guilty. Paul, because he preached, was clean from the blood of all men.

Paul told us to “become imitators of me, even as I am of Christ.” Well, WHAT DID CHRIST DO WHILE ON EARTH?

JOHN 18:37
“For THIS I HAVE BEEN BORN, and for this I have come into the world, that I should BEAR WITNESS TO THE TRUTH.”
(What truth did Jesus bear witness about?)

LUKE 4:43
“But he said to them: “Also to other cities I must DECLARE THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, because FOR THIS I WAS SENT FORTH.””

LUKE 8:1
“Shortly afterwards he went journeying from city to city and from village to village, PREACHING AND DECLARING THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. And the twelve were with him,” (Compare Mt 9:35)

It's clear to me, and I think all on here, that preaching (sharing the good news of God's kingdom) with others is important, or even mandatory for followers of Christ.

1 CORINTHIANS 9:16
“If, now, I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, WOE IS ME IF I DID NOT DECLARE THE GOOD NEWS!”

October 24, 2012 at 5:58 am#351977

limjunus

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,16:05)

Hi, limjunus.

David made the excellent point that those 'claiming' to be the true messengers of YHVH,
should at least know the name of him they are 'suppose' to be repenting. …which I agree.

So I ask again, what are these “TWO” immutable things about YHVH?

Please quit trying to duck the hard questions!

“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for
God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled
for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:” (Heb 6:18)

1. He cannot Lie.
2. ? (please tell us what the other is)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Dear Ed J,

You and David had launched the very nice questions and by your own description, you have associated it with the main issue, “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD”. believing that if the man you have addressing is not capable to answer rightfully and then you would lay down your own conclusion that he is not having the real messenger of God. I will prove to you now that you are in the midst of misconception.

I am not ducking and the questions are not so hard as you have thinking of?

David, I was told you in my previous post that I do not want to tackle your issue regarding the name of the Lord God. It is out topic. If you really want to discuss your issue, you should to open the thread of your own and I will do my best to participate with you about it.

Ed J, Here is the answer of the great teacher of all the teachers of God,to your question.

But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.” Mark 10:27 NKJV.

The verse you are holding and stand for “that it is impossible to the Almighty God, to lie” … does not meant, that the Almighty God, has the limitation.

You should have the consideration to the messages of the Holy Scriptures, like the passages written in the “Book of Mark 10:27”

…. and do your best to understand that not everyone has the rightful and the true knowledge about God. .. as what the scriptures testimony; to you has been given to understand the mystery of the kingdom of God, but to the outsiders, everything has been done in parables. (Mark 4:11 NLT)

The Almighty God, even though it was vividly written “that there is nothing impossible for Him, but with and by his own decree, He said, “it is impossible for me to lie” .. just to sealed his promises.

I am not the one answering you Ed J, … Christ Jesus the one have answered your question.

So, please could have your attention the main topic, “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD”?

Peace be with us.

I am not ducking, that is your only own thinking of and not mine.

:;):

October 24, 2012 at 6:12 am#351978

david

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My dear David,

How did you know that the church where I am belong to is, claiming the same things with the other churches do (different religious groups) the same???

Hi Limjunis,
That in fact, is very much what I would like to know and have answers to. However, you are really very focused on wanting to discuss preaching, and do not seem to want to discuss other things. This makes it hard to see you as different, when you aren't willing to explain why you are different.

October 24, 2012 at 6:21 am#351979

david

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We have learned from being the observers in the place and time of the Patriarch and Prophets, through our visionary minds, utilizing it as our modern time machine, that our Creator, the Almighty God, is communicating directly to the selected concern persons, through His prophets and the written books of the covenants.
I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments?

–Limjunis

That depends. What do you mean by “communicating directly to the selected concern persons, through His prophets.”?

Are you saying that God is using people (his prophets) to preach about his kingdom?

October 24, 2012 at 6:27 am#351980

limjunus

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,16:15)

Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 24 2012,15:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,02:32)

God bless
Ed J

Dear Ed J,

“Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.”

21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Christ Jesus, is declaring that they did not knew them and not me.

Please, it is not our business to accuse anybody here in Heaven Net. Let us do our utmost best to cease in posting the context that could be deemed “as a plain accusation to anyone”.

Peace be with us.

Hi limjunus,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Dear Ed J,

You are missing the point again.

John, reported to Jesus, that he had forbid (stop) the “other man” in doing miracles in the name of Christ Jesus.

Please, give your attention to the words “other man”. It mean: not with them,.. not belong to them.

and Christ Jesus told to John, “forbid not (let him do what is his doing), if they did not against us, they are ours”.

And Christ Jesus, clarified it with his “declarations” Matt.7:21-22 NKJV.

Study the reasoning of the “other men” doing miracles and mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus. It is the same with the reported event by John, “doing mighty works in the name of Jesus.

In Fact Christ Jesus, declared them “you who practice lawlessness!' and said to them “DEPART FROM ME; I NEVER KNEW YOU.

It is very painful, to heard that voice from our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. ' I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME; YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS”

peace.

October 24, 2012 at 6:47 am#351981

Ed J

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Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 24 2012,16:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,16:05)

Hi, limjunus.

David made the excellent point that those 'claiming' to be the true messengers of YHVH,
should at least know the name of him they are 'suppose' to be repenting. …which I agree.

So I ask again, what are these “TWO” immutable things about YHVH?

Please quit trying to duck the hard questions!

“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for
God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled
for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:” (Heb 6:18)

1. He cannot Lie.
2. ? (please tell us what the other is)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Dear Ed J,

I am not ducking and the questions are not so hard as you have thinking of?

Ed J, Here is the answer of the great teacher of all the teachers of God,to your question.

But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.” Mark 10:27 NKJV.

The verse you are holding and stand for “that it is impossible to the Almighty God, to lie” … does not meant, that the Almighty God, has the limitation.

You should have the consideration to the messages of the Holy Scriptures, like the passages written in the “Book of Mark 10:27”

I am not the one answering you Ed J, … Christ Jesus the one have answered your question.

So, please could have your attention the main topic, “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD”?

Peace be with us.

I am not ducking, that is your only own thinking of and not mine.

:;):

Hi limjunus,

I like your answer!
I, however, suggest that
a more specific answer would be. …he cannot deny himself.

“If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.” (2Tm.2:13)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 24, 2012 at 7:02 am#351982

terraricca

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david

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–Ter,

david

i know those scriptures but i believe you do not understand them in what they realy teach us ; let start from the beginning ; the word of God belong 's to whom who his it that owns it men or God to me it is God
and so he does with his word what he sees fit ,Mt 24:13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

1Ti 4:13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching
Ac 8:25 When they had testified and proclaimed the word of the Lord, Peter and John returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel in many Samaritan villages.
Ac 8:40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

Ac 16:6 Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia.

I DO NOT DENY THAT MANY OF CHRIST DISCIPLES WERE CHOSEN AND WHENT ON PREACHING OPENLY ,WHILE OTHERS DID NOT BUT PEACHED AND TEACH LOCALLY ,

BUT WHAT STRICK ME HIS THAT THEIR CONCERN WAS TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL NOT TO BUILD CHURCHES TO INVEST IN REAL STATE ,AND OTHER THINGS ,THIS WAS WHAT THE WORLD WAS DOING AND LIKE PETER SAID THIS WORLD WILL BE DESTROYED BY FIRE SO DO NOT CONFORM TO IT ,

NOW WHO IS DOING THE WORK OF CONVERSION A PERSON ;1)IF IT IS A FALSE RELIGION THEN IT WOULD BE THEIR LEADERS ,BUT IF IT IS THE TRUTH CHURCH OF GOD THEN WHAT 2) WELL IS IT THE TEACHER THAT HIS THE LIVING WORD OR THE PREACHER OR IS IT THE WORDS IT SELF THAT ARE THE LIVING WORDS ,THAT GIVE LIVE TO THOSE WHO LISTEN AND ALSO REACT TO THE MESSAGE TO DO AND APPLY IN THEIR HEARTS AND ACTION ALL WHAT GOD ASK OF THEM ,

AT THIS POINT THEY ARE TRUE CHRISTIANS BUT WEN THEY ARE NOW IN THE HAND OF ANY RELIGION THEY ARE MANIPULATED TO SEE THINGS THE WAY THAT CHURCH SEES IT ,THE SCRIPTURES BEING MANIPULATED ACCORDINGLY ,AND SO NOW ARE PROZELITES OF THAT ORGANIZATION OR GROUP,ARE THEY NOW PRODUCING THE FRUIT FOR GOD OR FOR THAT ORGANIZATION OR GROUP,

The spreading of the scriptures have been done many times sins Paul time ;and especially sins the invention of the printing machine ,and now radio,television ,and last but not the least Internet ,

i believe that all christians religion any have contribute to the spreading of the gospel AND GOD HAS PAY THEM WELL IN RETURN,I MEAN IN CASH,

WE ALL KNOW THAT A TRUE CHRISTIAN MUST BE TRUE IN ALL THINGS AND HIS MIND ,HEART,AND SOUL ,IF YOU ARE NOT THEN YOU ARE A DIVITED BELIEVER AND SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT THEIR IS NO ROOM FOR THOSE ,

i DO NOT WANT TO GO IN TO THE DETAILS OF WHAT ARE MOST OF THE REASONS FOR SOMEONE GO OR COME TO THOSE GROUPS OR ORGANIZATION ,

ONE THING I KNOW ONLY 8 PEOPLE WERE SAVE AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD OVER ALL THAT LIVED AT THAT TIME ,

i DO NOT THINK MANY KNOW WHAT IT MEAN TO BELIEVE IN GOD WORD AND IN HIS SON SACRIFICE OF REDEMPTION ,

OUR KING IS NO LONGER A MAN BUT A SPIRITUAL BEING VERY POWERFUL HE CAN READ THE MIND,THE HEART AND HIS FATHER HIS OUR GOD AND HIS AS WELL ,I HAVE SEEN IN SCRIPTURES THOSE WHO GOD LOVED AND USED EVEN THEY WERE NOT PERFECT THEY HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE OF THEIR WRONG DOING ,

NO MAN CAN SEE THE OTHER MAN S HEART BUT HE CAN LISTEN AND SEE THE WALK OF MEN ,

NOW YOU SAY THAT EVEN ON THIS SITE SOME DO NOT SHARE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING LIKE “NICK ” NO LONGER A MODERATOR “AND T8 WELL YOU RIGHT ,BUT ON THE OTHER HAND T8 AND MIKE AND ME ARE VERY CLOSE TO UNDERSTAND IN A SAME WAY ,WHY IS THAT

WE ALWAYS WILL HAVE LITTLE DIFFERENCE BUT NOT ON DOCTRINES ,WE ALL USE SCRIPTURES TO STAND ON AND FOR IT ;SHOULD WE NOW CREATE A GROUP AND START TO PULL IN PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM A NEW NAME TO STAND UNDER

WORLD ORGANIZATION ARE RUDLESS IN THEIR ACTIONS HOW BIGGER HOW MORE DIFFICULT IT BECOMES ,

TO ME IT APEART TO BE SOCIAL CLUBS ALL THOSE ORGANIZATION AND GROUP, NOTHING WRONG WITH A SOCIAL CLUB WITH PROPER BEHAVIOR ,BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN TRUE CHRISTIANS ,

WE CAN NOT RUN AWAY FROM MEN CORRUPTION AND PERVERSION ,BUT WE CAN CHANGE OUR SELF TO BECOME MORE AND MORE CONFORM TO THE NEW MAN CREATED ACCORDING TO GOD THROUGH CHRIST ,AND THIS IS THE INTERN FIGHT WE MUST WIN AND ACHIVE .

ONE MORE THING WE ALL ARE A ENTITY BUT BY CREATING A ORGANIZATION WE CREAT A NEW ENTITY ,TO CHANGE OUR ENTITY TO BE CONFORM TO CHRIST COULD MEAN TENTION BETWEEN OTHER MEMBERS ,NOT COUNTING THE POLICIES AND THE POLITICS THAT GOES ON ,

CHRIST TOLD HIS DISCIPLES TO BE AWARE OF THAT ;MK 10:42 Calling them to Himself, Jesus *said to them, “You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them; and their great men exercise authority over them.
MK 10:43 “But it is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant;
MK 10:44 and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be slave of all.
MK 10:45 “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

MANY SCRIPTURES ARE SHOWING THAT MEN DID GOOD BUT NOT FOR THE RIGHT MOTIVES AND SO WERE REJECTED BY GOD ,

October 24, 2012 at 7:14 am#351983

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