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Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,13:02) Quote Dear Terraricca, You are out of the main topic.
Our issue is “the true preachers sent by God”.
I will now focus on this topic.
David,Thanks a lot by focusing with main topic.
God bless you.
October 23, 2012 at 10:09 am#351636Ed JParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:15) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:20) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,00:53) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:59) Hi limjunus, I believe David's post was to you.
You do know the COC's stance, on
no mechanical instruments, do you not?God bless
Ed J
Ed J,What is the COC stand for?
Hi limjunus,As JW stands for the “Jehovah Witnesses” organization
COC stands for the “Church of Christ” denomination.You do know the COC's stance, on
no mechanical instruments of music?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,My dear brother,
Could you please elaborate to me what is the COC claims?
Peace.
“Let them praise his name (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) in the dance:
let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.” (Psalms 149:3-4)“The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” (Psalms 51:17)
יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)October 23, 2012 at 10:11 am#351635Ed JParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Don't forget this one.October 23, 2012 at 10:14 am#351634limjunusParticipantQuote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,13:06) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,19:46) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,16:15) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,02:08) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
limjunus?
Ed j,Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.
Hi limjunus,Is there more than one group? Romans 16:16 suggests there is. …what say you?
“The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,My dear brother in Christ.
The words churches of Christ with the Book of Romans 16:16 doesn't mean many churches as of today with their own different doctrines; but not in unity instead opposing each other.
The body of Christ is only one, the same with the head of the church is only one and it is unity with one spirit (doctrines).
The words “churches of Christ, is representing the whole church with many members under the divisions (extension) as different localities in many places, such towns, nations (gentiles) extended to Asia, but under the rules, administrative functions and the governance of the apostles in Jerusalem.
Here is the very strong testimony of the Holy Scriptures, Book of Romans 12:4-5 NIV.
For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.
We have many parts in one body, but the parts don’t all have the same function. 5 In the same way, though there are many of us, we are one body in Christ, and individually we belong to each other. CEB.
I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ.
Quote “The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16) I like the translation “congregations” rather than churches.
In the bible, when we see the word translated “church,” it generally is referring to a group of people. But, over time, the meaning sort of changed I think, where it seems to mean a specific group, or a building.
Back then, when these words were said, it's not like there were many different forms of Christianity, with each one being a church. Back then, there were many congregations, each being from the same group, or religion, or, as used today, church.
My dear David,These churches nowadays could not be deemed as one body or organization. Because the true church of Christ is under by one administration and having a uniform or unity in the doctrines.
Do not tell me the the head of the Roman Catholic church has the power to rule the Seventh Day Adventist church and the Baptist church and the other churches not affiliated with Catholic church. do you?
Peace.
October 23, 2012 at 10:16 am#351929limjunusParticipantQuote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,13:08) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,20:51) Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,17:34) I'm trying to figure out what you actually believe. (You would answer “the bible,” but so would most) Is a person saved the moment they are baptized? I've seen contradictory statements about what you believe about this.
Also, a Capella singing. If its true, why specifically do some feel that instruments shouldn't be used in worship?
Dear David,To whom did you addressed your post?
To Ed J, Terraricca or to me?
To you.
My dear David,Can you please give more emphasizes with your questions?
If you can do it specifically, please do it.
Peace.
October 23, 2012 at 10:25 am#351930limjunusParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,20:22) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:17) I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments? to be continue….”
Hi limjunus,When's the movie coming out?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,You made laugh (LOL)
October 23, 2012 at 10:32 am#351931Ed JParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:25) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,20:22) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:17) I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments? to be continue….”
Hi limjunus,When's the movie coming out?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,You made laugh (LOL)
October 23, 2012 at 10:33 am#351932limjunusParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,20:51) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:10) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:42) Question 2. I have never heard of “the church of God,” as a group, who are today, preaching to people. I don't think anyone on here has. If these are the messengers of God, how is the average person going to hear their message? (Most people don't hang out on message boards like this one).
David,2. I don't think anyone on here has?
b.) Yes, there is group of Christ true believers has the messenger of God. Go to this link: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y371491
Hi, I have.I have a question for you, limjunus:
perhaps this will help us determine what you ask.The Scriptures say that there are “TWO” immutable things about YHVH.
“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for
God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled
for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:” (Heb 6:18)1. He cannot Lie.
2. ? (please tell us what the other is)
…this will help us determine if 'Your Group' fits with other true messengers; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,Please, will you focus your mind to the contexts I had posts.
If you have Bible proofs regarding how to determine the true preachers sent by God, not the same of mine, bring it out and I am very happy to read it.
Peace.
October 23, 2012 at 10:37 am#351933Ed JParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:33) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,20:51) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:10) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:42) Question 2. I have never heard of “the church of God,” as a group, who are today, preaching to people. I don't think anyone on here has. If these are the messengers of God, how is the average person going to hear their message? (Most people don't hang out on message boards like this one).
David,2. I don't think anyone on here has?
b.) Yes, there is group of Christ true believers has the messenger of God. Go to this link: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y371491
Hi, I have.I have a question for you, limjunus:
perhaps this will help us determine what you ask.The Scriptures say that there are “TWO” immutable things about YHVH.
“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for
God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled
for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:” (Heb 6:18)1. He cannot Lie.
2. ? (please tell us what the other is)
…this will help us determine if 'Your Group' fits with other true messengers; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,Please, will you focus your mind to the contexts I had posts.
If you have Bible proofs regarding how to determine the true preachers sent by God, not the same of mine, bring it out and I am very happy to read it.
Peace.
Don't know?October 23, 2012 at 10:51 am#351934limjunusParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,21:11) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Don't forget this one.
Dear Ed J,Could you please, post your clear understanding and conclusion with the subjected verse.
Because I could not get what you really want? …with this question of yours:
” in case it has escaped you, is: Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?”
I am having in difficulty to understand the questions.
What is the claim of COC,? please be specific.
Then I can post the rightful answer.
.October 23, 2012 at 11:44 am#351935Ed JParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:51) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,21:11) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Don't forget this one.
Dear Ed J,Could you please, post your clear understanding and conclusion with the subjected verse.
Because I could not get what you really want? …with this question of yours:
” in case it has escaped you, is: Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?”
I am having in difficulty to understand the questions.
What is the claim of COC,? please be specific.
Then I can post the rightful answer.
.
Hi limjunus,The claim that YOU appear to be making.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOctober 23, 2012 at 11:45 am#351936Ed JParticipantAre you not claiming the COC to be exclusive.
October 23, 2012 at 12:04 pm#351937limjunusParticipantTo all,
Something wrong with my access to the Heaven Net. If the problem prolongs… you can email me with my email address: [email protected]
God bless you.
October 23, 2012 at 12:06 pm#351938limjunusParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,21:32) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:25) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,20:22) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:17) I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments? to be continue….”
Hi limjunus,When's the movie coming out?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,You made laugh (LOL)
Dear Ed J,What I mean is, “you have made me laugh. (LOL).
October 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm#351939limjunusParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,No “match”.
Because, even the other men can make miracles, casting out demons and can do the mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus, it wont validated their works as a pass to enter to the kingdom of God.
Proofs from the Holy Scriptures:
21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 24. “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine,(Christ doctrines) and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25. and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
35.For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” Matthew 7:21-5, Mark 3:35 NKJV.
Christ Jesus will recognize the people believing and obeying his words (God's will) as his brothers, sisters and mother (his household/ church)
Peace.
October 23, 2012 at 1:17 pm#351940Ed JParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,23:27) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,No “match”.
Because, even the other men can make miracles, casting out demons and can do the mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus, it wont validated their works as a pass to enter to the kingdom of God.
Proofs from the Holy Scriptures:
21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 24. “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine,(Christ doctrines) and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25. and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
35.For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” Matthew 7:21-5, Mark 3:35 NKJV.
Christ Jesus will recognize the people believing and obeying his words (God's will) as his brothers, sisters and mother (his household/ church)
Peace.
Hi limjunus,You say no match, but you offer no evidence that would suggest that either the people John
was referring to nor yet anyone outside the COC group are not following Christs doctrines?
So saying 'no match' and it actually being no match is nothing more than your opinion, no?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOctober 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm#351941terrariccaParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,14:17) Terraricca and to all interested people, Continuation of “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … [/U]Part-2.
Here is another proof that the Lord God is pond of writing His will, including the song to be sung by His people.
1And the LORD said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke. (Exo. 34:1 nkjv)
14Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write this for a memorial in the book and recount it in the hearing of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.”(Exo. 17:14 nkjv)3You shall write on them all the words of this law, when you have crossed over, that you may enter the land which the LORD your God is giving you, 'a land flowing with milk and honey,' just as the LORD God of your fathers promised you. (Deut. 27:3 nkjv)
19″Now therefore, write down this song for yourselves, and teach it to the children of Israel; put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for Me against the children of Israel.( Deut. 31:19 nkjv)
27Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” (Exo. 37:27 nkjv)
We have learned from being the observers in the place and time of the Patriarch and Prophets, through our visionary minds, utilizing it as our modern time machine, that our Creator, the Almighty God, is communicating directly to the selected concern persons, through His prophets and the written books of the covenants.
Let us go after the written prophesies..
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv)
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16. according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19.And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv)
Assuming that were still in the times and place of the Prophets by our imaginations and through our visionary minds and the Christian time is not yet really arrive. Surely, we could not name exactly or we could not able to know who is the Prophet likened to Moises to be?I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments?
to be continue….”
LIMJQuote Assuming that were still in the times and place of the Prophets by our imaginations and through our visionary minds and the Christian time is not yet really arrive. Surely, we could not name exactly or we could not able to know who is the Prophet likened to Moises to be? I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments?
you are right ;only details are given ,
October 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm#351942terrariccaParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,14:07) Terraricca and to all interested people, continuation of “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … part-2..
We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it does not happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God.
2The king went up to the house of the LORD with all the men of Judah, and with him all the inhabitants of Jerusalemùthe priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great. And he read in their hearing all the words of the Book of the Covenant which had been found in the house of the LORD. (2-King 23:2 nkjv.)
Proven to us that there is the written book and had been reading inside the house of the Lord.
Here is the other information of how and why the Creator turn His servant to be His enemy?
15Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” 16Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the LORD has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17And the LORD has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. (1 Samuel 28:15-18 nkjv)
13Yet the LORD testified against Israel and against Judah, by all of His prophets, every seer, saying, “Turn from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by My servants the prophets.”
2And the LORD sent against him raiding bands of Chaldeans, bands of Syrians, bands of Moabites, and bands of the people of Ammon; He sent them against Judah to destroy it, according to the word of the LORD which He had spoken by His servants the prophets. (2-King 17:23, 24:2 nkjv)
For not obeying the commandments of God, we would be His enemies.
to be continue…
limjQuote For not obeying the commandments of God, we would be His enemies. this is also true ,
October 23, 2012 at 1:30 pm#351943limjunusParticipant“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … Part-3
We still in the time of the Prophets (B.C.) and we are now opening the book of Prophet Isaiah reading the following Prophesied.
1″The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn, 3.To console those who mourn in Zion, To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.” (Isaiah 61:1-3
3.The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God. (Isaiah 40:3 NKJV)
6. Indeed He says, 'It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'” (Isaiah 49:6 NKJV)
Now, assuming that were born and grow up in the times of Prophet Isaiah and we have the questions to each of us about and in relations to the above prophesies written in the book of prophet Isaiah. Surely, nobody from among us can be pointing out and can give the names to whom are these people to be. Right?
If we are not born and grow-up in the times of Christ Jesus. We were the matured men in the era of the Prophet Isaiah, we could not tell who shall be the people to be.
So, how we could know the prophesied of the Prophet Isaiah concerning to, except we should be in the times of Christ Jesus (Christian time).
We will go to the time of Christ Jesus, so that we could find out whose people the prophesied has been fulfilled?
follow to the next post …”
October 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm#351944terrariccaParticipantQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,14:01) Terraricca and to all interested people, [/B]“The Messengers of God” continuation of part-2
Now, the essence of our observation through visionary in our minds on the Patriarch time is, we have learned that the Creator do the communication directly to the person concern and giving the instructions or commandments what to do for the salvation of them.
Let us go to the time of the Prophet Abraham and Moises. How our Creator, communicate with the concern people?
1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be the father of a multitude of nations. 5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for the father of a multitude of nations have I made thee. 6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land of thy sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. (Gen. 17:1-8 asv)
There is no doubt, the Creator, did the direct communications to the concern person and gave His Sacred covenants accompany by promises.
1Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.” 4So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. 7And the LORD said: “I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters, for I know their sorrows. 8So I have come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and large land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites. (Exo. 3:1-8 nkjv)
God, remembered His promises to Abraham; He called Moises and sent to Egypt to free the people of Israel from the slavery and let the people of God, and be served Him.
3So Moses and Aaron came in to Pharaoh and said to him, “Thus says the LORD God of the Hebrews: 'How long will you refuse to humble yourself before Me? Let My people go, that they may serve Me.
Then Pharaoh's servants said to him, “How long shall this man be a snare to us? Let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God. Do you not yet know that Egypt is destroyed?” 8So Moses and Aaron were brought again to Pharaoh, and he said to them, “Go, serve the LORD your God. Who are the ones that are going?” (Exo. 10:3,7-8 nkjv.)From the time of Moises and Aaron, God, communicates His people through His appointed Prophets; the Creator, gave His commandments to the Prophets, to speak to the people in behalf of God; covenants, commandments; prophesies have been jot down by the Prophets; except the “ten commandments”, God made the ten commandments by His hands into two pieces of the stones.
Let us go and observe the prophesied written by the Prophets of God, how the Prophets got the words of God, and what is the instructions of our Creator regarding with His foretold messages?
6Then He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. (Number 6:12 nkjv)
20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:20-21 nkjv)
We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it doesn’t happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God.
to be continue…
limjQuote We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it doesn’t happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God. Dt 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
put to dead that prophet ;in todays words it means do not follow or listen to this man,
Christ has said that it is our personal responsibility to make sure of what we know come from God or not ;
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches.
Rev 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near.
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”those scriptures are very clear to me .what about you
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