THE MESSENGERS OF GOD

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limj

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that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God.

Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.

one question :WHAT TRUTH IS THERE BESIDE THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

Terraricca,

Obviously and we could not be denied, the so called many christian people, groups, denominations has the same stand with regards to the Holy Scriptures. They admittedly it as the truth of God.

But, it is also obviously and it is a fact that they could not be united in given the true meaning of some of the context written therein.

The other said, we need to be part or be the member of the church of Christ to obtain the forgiveness of our sins. Some christian groups said, No need,.. just accept that Jesus Christ is your personal savior and Lord, no need to be the member of any church then we will be saved. and another christian denomination said, No! if you will not observe the Sabbath day and be the Seventh Day Adventist, you shall not be the true church of Christ. I will not mention the other beliefs, may be I could not finish my post for tonight.

The true preachers sent by God, has the holy instrument of God, to know the true meaning of the words of God. The Holy Spirit is their guidance counselor. The Holy Spirit sent by God to be with them shall be the one to teach them what to do and what to says.

If the preachers did not sent by God, do you think they have the holy spirit?

limj

you do not answer my question,and you are still running around in you sponseship to that so called teacher of your ,without saying who he or who are they .

so you going to loose your integrity and reputation on this

October 21, 2012 at 11:05 pm#351833

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lmj

hand you never aswered my question : WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY

Terraricca,

Please can you be specific with your questions?

In my understanding you have two questions.

One is, “WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH?” ……… and…

My answer is, “He is preaching the rightful and just meaning of the words (gospel) of God.

Two is, “BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY “

My answer is, “The “real” truth of God, that the sole true preachers sent by God, can preach rightfully. (Book of Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)

limj

you are playing ,and your sponsorship to the “Godly preachers “still does not say who they are ,

so is this a truck question for you to answer

October 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm#351834

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limj

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How did you received the messages from the apostles, by just only reading the holy scriptures or someone had preached it to you? Is your preacher passed the test given by the holy scriptures that he must sent by God, with the “testimony of the prophecy?

Studying the Bible in 50 or more years and believing that the Bible is the words of God, by and through reading is not the right way and not in accordance with the will of God.

Believing rightfully (faith) is comes from hearing the words of God and not by reading alone.

I hearing the word as well I HAVE THE AUDIO VERSION OF THE niv AND THE kjv

HOW WOULD YOU THINK IN THE APOSTLES TIME THEY COULD HAVE HEARD THE MESSAGE no TV,no RADIO,NO news magazzine ,no printings,

wake up the only way was to voice communication .

NOW WHY DO WE HAVE TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES i HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE ,YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND YOUR SO CALLED PREACHERS DO NOT EXIST YOU MADE THIS THEORY UP AS YOU GO .

October 21, 2012 at 11:18 pm#351835

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LMJ

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Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?

they have been for 1900 years at the least and produced more fruits than you and your so called preachers will ever produce,

I ATE SECRETS AND MYSTERIES ,BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE WEAPONS THAT THE DEVIL AND HIS SERVANTS USES TO BLIND THE PEOPLE .

October 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm#351836

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With the exception of the true church of Christ.

Please, see the holy testimony of the scriptures. Ref: Acts 4:34-35 NKJV.

Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold
35 and laid them down at the apostles’ feet. And distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Can you oppose the above truth, Terraricca?

lIMJ

yes I can ;[/quote]
Terraricca,

OMG! Are you okay?

Admitting that you can oppose the words of God, written in the Holy Scriptures in the Book of Acts 4:34-35 NKJV. is like crushing the truth of God.

May the Lord God, lightening your herat.

LMJ

DID YOU SEE MY ANSWER OR JUST GIVE YOUR OPINION ,

I HAVE EXPLAIN IT TO YOU SO READ IT IF NOT SO BE IT ,

YOU START TO ACT LIKE A FALSE DOCTOR OF THE LAW ,

MUCH TALK NO ACTION ,AND SHORT IN UNDERSTANDING

October 22, 2012 at 2:15 am#351837

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terraricca,Oct. wrote:

lmj

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preached by the preachers sent by God.

the scriptures today are the preacher, all the contributors are asigned apostles ,directed by the holy spirit ,the spirit of truth,

show me one man today with those qualifications name him if you know ONE

hand you never aswered my question : WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY

Terraricca,

Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?

The holy scriptures is the “blue print” to be used by the preachers sent by God, in our time and not to be the preachers.

As what the holy scriptures saying: “before they can call they must believe, but how they could believe without hearing,.. how they can be heard without the preachers,.. and how they can preach except they be sent,?… faith comes from hearing the words of Christ…” Book of Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV.

The true preachers must be based their teaching from the holy scriptures, because the holy scriptures is the works of the sent by God.

The holy scriptures doesn't mean and it doesn't says that we just only by reading it then we can obtained the truth.

The holy scriptures is clearly saying that there are selected people can understand the knowledge or the mystery of the kingdom of God. Ref: Matthew 24:14 RSV.

For those people “outside” the church, called outsiders, everything were in parables.

You must be one among the insiders, then you will know the mystery of the kingdom of God.

I am hoping that the above post information can help you a lots.

so you do not know any church your self ,you just kind of preach what you believe should be or do you have convinced your mind that you are that preacher and that church

Terraricca,

May I ask you a very important question, did you really read my posts in connection with the issue?

If you really have read my posts you will not says that “I do not know any church and you shall not landed in a conclusion that I am preaching to you what I am believing to be and also you will not branding me as the preacher and the church.”

Will you please give your full attention to the essential were dealing about (issues) and focus your mind and your soul to the “words of God” that I have taken out from the Holy Scriptures and not to my personal qualities.

I am just sincerely and thoughtful in sharing what I had and I am not doing it for my own material gains and personal satisfaction but for the sake and for the welfare of the other souls.

As you have know, there are plenty of false preachers roaming around us and they doing their very best to cheat not just few, but as many as they can.

Please, read my posts and make a comments relatively and with the concern thereof.

May the Lord God, bless you.

October 22, 2012 at 2:40 am#351838

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limj

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Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

the entire NT his their message of all they have witnessed with Christ

Terraricca,

The problem with you is, you just hold with the verse you had understood by your own self and ignoring the other verses with very much importance with the verses you had post.

Quote: [/B]” I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

Jesus Christ pray also to the other people that would his believers to be.

The passages is talking to us about the believers to be of Christ Jesus. So, what the other verses need to be considered in connection with the passages of John 17:20?

For your refreshment: Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 NKJV.

For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” 14How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Before the other people can call the name of the Lord, they should believe first,… and before they can believe on, they must heard the messages,… and how they can hear the messages if there is no preachers,… and how the preachers can preach if they were not sent by God,? because the faith comes from hearing the words of God.

You got the point and the very essential elements of the “genuine” faith relatively with the above mentioned truth?

In the name of Christ Jesus, … may you heart be opened.

Christ words is knocking at your door (heart).

It is not my own words.

October 22, 2012 at 2:51 am#351839

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Hi limjunus,

Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Is your answer “Yes” then?

Ed j,

I am not suggesting it, I am believing, the Holy Scriptures is the source of the information that one of the characteristics of the true church is, the name “Church of Christ.

Ref: Book of Romans 16:16 NKJVand Book of Acts 20:28 GLV.

October 22, 2012 at 2:54 am#351840

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Hi limjunus,

Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

limjunus?

Ed j,

Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.

October 22, 2012 at 2:57 am#351841

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Hi limjunus,

Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Is your answer “Yes” then?

Ed j,

Yes. with the exception to the other false churches [/U]using the same name.

October 22, 2012 at 2:57 am#351842

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limj

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Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

the entire NT his their message of all they have witnessed with Christ

Terraricca,

The problem with you is, you just hold with the verse you had understood by your own self and ignoring the other verses with very much importance with the verses you had post.

Quote: [/B]” I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

Jesus Christ pray also to the other people that would his believers to be.

The passages is talking to us about the believers to be of Christ Jesus. So, what the other verses need to be considered in connection with the passages of John 17:20?

For your refreshment: Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 NKJV.

17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You got the point and the very essential elements of the “genuine” faith relatively with the above mentioned truth?

In the name of Christ Jesus, … may you heart be opened.

Christ words is knocking at your door (heart).

It is not my own words.

lmj

Ro 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

the scriptures are the best we have TO HEAR THE WORD OF CHRIST OR TO READ IT ( WE ARE FURTUNITE TO HAVE CHEAP BOOKS ,AND INFO LIKE NO OTHER AGE,)

October 22, 2012 at 3:02 am#351843

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Hi limjunus,

Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Is your answer “Yes” then?

Why is answering questions so difficult?

Ed j,

It isn't difficult for me to answer, I am dealing with another people also and to respond with their inquiries is consuming a lot of my time. and … beside of it, I am very careful with the context of my answers.

I hope you could understand my side and you shall not be landed with unwise prescription about me.

God bless.

October 22, 2012 at 3:03 am#351844

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limj

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Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

the entire NT his their message of all they have witnessed with Christ

Terraricca,

The problem with you is, you just hold with the verse you had understood by your own self and ignoring the other verses with very much importance with the verses you had post.

Quote: [/B]” I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

Jesus Christ pray also to the other people that would his believers to be.

The passages is talking to us about the believers to be of Christ Jesus. So, what the other verses need to be considered in connection with the passages of John 17:20?

For your refreshment: Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 NKJV.

17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You got the point and the very essential elements of the “genuine” faith relatively with the above mentioned truth?

In the name of Christ Jesus, … may you heart be opened.

Christ words is knocking at your door (heart).

It is not my own words.

limj

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so you do not know any church your self ,you just kind of preach what you believe should be or do you have convinced your mind that you are that preacher and that church

is that what I have said to you or is it what you remember of all what I said ???or you did conclude that is what I suppose to have said

you are a MIND SWEEPER do you understand what i mean by that

October 22, 2012 at 3:06 am#351845

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Find the true preachers sent by God, nowadays with his divine credential, the pattern to determine which is the true preachers, specially made by God.

–limjunis

If they are true preachers sent by God, why would I have to find them? Won't they find me? (Mat 28:18,20; mat 24:14)

David,

Because there were so many false preachers roaming around the world, even within your place.

Therefore you should find the true preachers sent by God, among so many called preachers nowadays, so that the gospel you would be going to hear is the right words of God.

Hi.

So, to be clear, you are saying that a person should find the true preachers, rather than the true preachers sent by God finding the people?

I was strongly under the impression that the true preachers sent by God (“go, therefore, and make disciples…”, mt 28:19,20) would be the ones finding the people, through their preaching work. (Mat 24:14)

It bothers me that you say the person should find them.
And, how are the people in lands without Internet access supposed to find them?

October 22, 2012 at 3:11 am#351846

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“Jesus Christ and his apostles have warned us long time ago. “There shall be false preachers and false Christ coming up in this world, deceiving people as many as they can. One of their mission is keeping the people of the world for not knowing the one and only true God. (2-Cor. 10:4-5 NLT)”

Do you think hiding the fact that the God of the bible has a name, will help people to become closer to God, or do you think it will keep the people of the world from knowing God?

David,

For not knowing the one and only true God, Hiding the essential name of God, with relation to the salvation of our souls is one among so many ways in keeping the people from not knowing Him.

The issue here in this topic is the “messengers of God”. The importance of the true preachers sent by God.

We must know first how to determine the false preachers and the true preachers.

Obviously, the false preachers were hiding the truth about God, including the very essential name of God, with the very important connection to the salvation of our souls. …. and obviously also, that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God.

Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.

I really don't like going off topic, but it really doesn't feel like I am too far off topic. You say: “we must know FIRST how to determine the false teachers…”

You also say the false teachers were hiding the name of God.

What I know is that there are several translations that do not hide the fact that god has a personal name. By quoting from translations that hide this fact, doesn't that sort of make it seem like you are ok with or an accomplice to hiding his name?

“I have made your name known, and will make it known.”–Jesus.

October 22, 2012 at 3:15 am#351847

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limj

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Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

the entire NT his their message of all they have witnessed with Christ

Terraricca,

The problem with you is, you just hold with the verse you had understood by your own self and ignoring the other verses with very much importance with the verses you had post.

Quote: [/B]” I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

Jesus Christ pray also to the other people that would his believers to be.

The passages is talking to us about the believers to be of Christ Jesus. So, what the other verses need to be considered in connection with the passages of John 17:20?

For your refreshment: Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 NKJV.

17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You got the point and the very essential elements of the “genuine” faith relatively with the above mentioned truth?

In the name of Christ Jesus, … may you heart be opened.

Christ words is knocking at your door (heart).

It is not my own words.

lmj

Ro 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

the scriptures are the best we have TO HEAR THE WORD OF CHRIST OR TO READ IT ( WE ARE FURTUNITE TO HAVE CHEAP BOOKS ,AND INFO LIKE NO OTHER AGE,)

Terraricca,

the scriptures are the best we have TO HEAR THE WORD OF CHRIST OR TO READ IT[/B]

Oppppsssss!

Do not add to the words of God, it is not a good practices.

Ref: Deuteronomy 4:2 (ESV)

You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.

Remember always and do not try to ignore it.

Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

We must heard the words of Christ through and from the preachers sent by God, alone.

Keep it in your heart, because it is the words of Christ, so that Christ spirit comes in to you heart. You could not seen it but you can feel it anyway.

October 22, 2012 at 3:18 am#351848

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Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,07:29)

Do you think hiding the fact that the God of the bible has a name, will help people to become closer to God, or do you think it will keep the people of the world from knowing God?

David,

For not knowing the one and only true God, Hiding the essential name of God, with relation to the salvation of our souls is one among so many ways in keeping the people from not knowing Him.

The issue here in this topic is the “messengers of God”. The importance of the true preachers sent by God.

We must know first how to determine the false preachers and the true preachers.

Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.

Yes, we should stick to the issue. Your first post said:

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Romans 10:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The step by step procedure before we can be saved.

The very essential procedures in making us the true believers of Christ.

I am discussing the first step in this step by step process. Of course, a name represents the one who it belongs to, and often means that. But still, as you said, something false teachers do, is hide gods name. I very much doubt that when the bible writer quoted this scripture from the Hebrew, they removed gods name. This was done later.

October 22, 2012 at 3:25 am#351849

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Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,03:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32)

Hi limjunus,

Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed j,

read back with my post no. 527. The answer is within.

The posts are not numbered. That number represented how many times you had posted at that moment.

It would be quicker if you just answered him. He will literally ask the question 100 times, so that this thread becomes taken over.

October 22, 2012 at 3:45 am#351850