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     dL 
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    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. – 1 Corinthians 2:14

    The trinity may seem like foolishness to you, but that is only because you are trying to comprehend spiritual things with your natural understanding…debating endless verses will not help you to receive this revelation (which you should already have if you’re born again)..

    My prayer is that Jesus will reveal Himself to you

    #781848
     dL 
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    I’ve answered this many times…Jesus as the Son of God, and Jesus as God the Son, have no conflict within the doctrine of the Trinity – the only disparity is within the finite mind of man..

    A person who isn’t spiritual doesn’t accept the things of God’s Spirit, for they are nonsense to him. He can’t understand them because they are spiritually evaluated. – 1 Corinthians 2:14

    we can never reach right conclusions on Bible doctrine without the revelation of the Holy Spirit – human intellect and theological reasoning must be laid aside..look at Paul, a Pharisee of Pharisees – very intelligent and knowledgeable of the Scriptures..yet all his head knowledge only led him astray, and in direct conflict with the very personification of Scripture Himself…!!

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    You said:

    The trinity may seem like foolishness to you, but that is only because you are trying to comprehend spiritual things with your natural understanding

    It seems hard for you to comprehend, but it is not about spiritual and physical understanding as much as it is about whether it is written or not.

    Your quote is in scripture and therefore I believe it, but it is not applied to the Trinity therefore I do not believe you are using this correctly. Further, it amazes me that you do not even question a doctrine that is not mentioned once in scripture. And so desperate were some to have scripture include the Trinity that they added in known corruptions to try and deceive people or to give God a hand with his Word because he forgot to mention it.

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    Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

    Be honest David, you do not believe Jesus when he said this.

    Deep down you know you reject these words of Jesus.

    This is an opportunity to know more about him. Let his words challenge you instead of shooting the messenger. And if this is a typical reaction against truth, is it any wonder that the prophets were persecuted and killed. This is the way it is. But why be on the side of the persecutors?

    #781851
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    David, you said:

    My prayer is that Jesus will reveal Himself to you

    If you mean that the son of God, who God made both Lord and Christ will reveal himself to me, then amen, I want to know him more.

    If you mean, God the son, the incarnate God, the second member of the Trinity, and the God that died, then I am already aware of this Babylonian doctrine and have rightly rejected it.

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    HI

    It seems to what i can understand that you believe that Jesus his God almighty this mean he is his own father right ???,would this not make Christ a total liar ??? when he says that he “I am going to my father and your father ” and Jn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    i have seen many movies about the bible and none of them was accurate to the scriptures ,for the very reason that those that make them are not intending to preach the truth of God ,anyone that believe they do are deceived by them.

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    #800243
     dL 
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    Funny – no mention of Trinity…???
    as I recall, she was central figure in your gospel movie..

    (..Just like the way you selectively misrepresent Scripture – omitting verses that disagree with your own ideas).

    #800248
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    You accuse others yet cannot produce ONE SCRIPTURE that teaches that the God of Israel is a committee.

    #800257
     dL 
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    I’ve shared many..

    your selected teaching corresponds with your selective memory.

    #800259
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    Then show us these many scriptures that teach about a committee god.

     

    Hear O Israel

    God is one.

    #800265
     dL 
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    I’ve addressed all these Scriptures in the past..
    Which you conveniently chose to ignore at the time.

    but feel free to look over it again..
    I just don’t have time for your hyperbolical semantics.

    #800266
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    Can you not even find one scripture that tells us GOD IS NOT ONE, but THREE?

    Then give up your human crusade.

    #800268
     dL 
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    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” – 1 John 5:7

    #800271
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    Is this the verse added from a note made in the margin of a bible?

    be as gentle as doves and as cunning as serpents

    #800279
     kerwin 
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    DavidL

    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” – “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” – 1 John 5:7

    Isn’t that the verse that even many among the Trinitarians is questioned as to whether it is actually written by John being as it is not found in any manuscript prior to the 1500’s or so.

    It doesn’t bother me that it was most likely inserted by heretics because one Lord, one Spirit, and one God are in heaven and one body is spread out between heaven, earth, and Sheol.

    The sum is that you want to believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are united in being on being while I want to believe they are united in being part of the unity of the Spirit. Scripture confirms what I want to hear but not what you want to hear.

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    DavidL,

    I do not ignore all the Scriptures though I may not get them all since my time is limited. Others can address other ones but if they see what I see they may not feel like repeating my work.

    Which is Scriptural, the teaching of the Unity of the Spirit or the teaching of the Trinity persons that make up the one true God?

    Which is derived by human “reasoning”, the tenet of the Unity of the Spirit or the tenet of the Trinity persons that make up the one true God?

    #800281
     kerwin 
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    David,

    A person who isn’t spiritual doesn’t accept the things of God’s Spirit, for they are nonsense to him. He can’t understand them because they are spiritually evaluated. – 1 Corinthians 2:14

    Please! You do not understand the things of the Spirit because you do not show the fruit. If you did then you would feel like a lost lamb until you were on the track to learn how to stop sinning. You would not to make Jesus more than he was and you would believe what he said as his words would be food to you and faith he is the way to God would be your drink.

    Someone once asked me if I believed Jesus was God and before their question I did not seek to find the answer. When I read that the Son did not know all things then I was convinced Jesus is not God as I have solid faith God knows all things. It took me longer to figure out who Jesus was not because it is not plain in Scripture but rather because I was tangled so well in false teachings.

    You have to learn to believe what God says while watching out for the snares of the Devil.

    #800286
     dL 
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    You moan because I don’t give you enough Scriptures to trample into the mud of your unbelief –
    So again I give you an easy one..
    But now you act like the KJV is not considered Scripture anymore..?
    Why..?
    Well… because in this instance it doesn’t seem to suit your own doctrinal preferences..

    So…
    I give you Scripture..
    And again you give me arguments…!?

    #800293
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Davidl,

    You step on the stones of versions that suit your dogmas to reach your place of disbelief?

    Hear O Israel God is one.

     

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