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Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 23 2012,17:48) Terra, Q:When does the great falling away happen?
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devocould you quote the scripture were it says that
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,11:37) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 23 2012,17:48) Terra, Q:When does the great falling away happen?
Cheers.
devocould you quote the scripture were it says that
Sure Terra,2nd Thessalonians 2:3 >Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
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devo
2Th 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.1)the fall away (rebellion ) to what
TO GOD'S WORD OF TRUTH ,right ???Yesthat man to my understanding is CONSTANTINE 1 , why
A)the fall away from Gods truth was in full expantion ,like one believes this another that,even the Jews were in confusion, just like today ,
B)Constantine took all the christian denomination diferences views and buit his own with it and also changed the non christian gods by bring them in to his religion by giving them a name as a saint so the people would still beable to worship their gods but being part of his empire religion 'ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH' he placed himself as the top ruler of all gods in his empire is it false gods or the God of the christians ;he was sitting as the PONTIFIX MAXIMUS '
he so ruled over all things in his empire gods and men .2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.B)what is it mean “In Gods temple ,proclaiming himself to be God ” understand that Constantine made himself the judge of scriptures and made himself the HEAD OF THE CHURCH “OF GOD” and so ruled on what is or is not true to believe .this alone make him acting as a god above all other gods .
Now with all he done the truth of God was no longer available the light add gone dark ,
2Th 2:2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.
so these scriptures are refering to the DAY OF THE LORD ,that this day can not be before the man OF LAWLESSNES HAS APPEARED,but Paul does not say that it will be after he comes or what time he would stay before Christ return ,JUST THAT THAT DAY COULD NOT COME BEFORE THAT MAN APPEARS.
Terra.
1. CONSTANTINE WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
2. CONSTANTINE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD.
3. AND CONSTANTINE WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE COMING.
4. CONSTANTINE NEVER SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND CALLED HIMSELF GOD.(2 thess.2:4).
5. THE SON OF PERDITION WILL ONLY HAVE POWER FOR 3/HALF YRS.(constantine ruled longer than that).You can consider all those facts or just brush it under the carpet.Its your choice.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,06:27) Terra. 1. CONSTANTINE WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
2. CONSTANTINE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD.
3. AND CONSTANTINE WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE COMING.
4. CONSTANTINE NEVER SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND CALLED HIMSELF GOD.(2 thess.2:4).
5. THE SON OF PERDITION WILL ONLY HAVE POWER FOR 3/HALF YRS.(constantine ruled longer than that).You can consider all those facts or just brush it under the carpet.Its your choice.
wakeup.
Terra,Everything Wakeup said above are like long nails in that theory of yours.
I'm not being rude brother, but let us reason together.Why do you ignore common sense, logic & spiritual truth on this?
I mean, HOW can you as a Christian so easily ignore such damning evidence?
I mean come on!!
For heavens sake man, Constantine NEVER sat in the TEMPLE of God!!(2 Thessalonians 2:4)
There was NO temple LEFT!!
It was destroyed 70Ad Pierre!!
That ALONE destroys this Constantine business!!Okay…I said my bit on that…
Anyway, Concerning this scripture you used as an example:
2 Thessalonians 2:1 >Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 >That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 >Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Look at who Paul is addressing.
The church of the Thessalonians.(yes yes it's for us too, but we are listening in on his conversation to the THESSALONIANS never forget, a time where rumours & wolves were aplenty trying to destroy this new Christian religion)
So what is Paul telling THEM? (yes yes us too, but we're listening in on THEIR conversation remember)..Paul was telling THEM, “Not to worry, that the Day of The Lord is NOT at hand”!!
Other words…it's a long way off!!(now read between the lines as to what Paul is telling them)
“Hey guys, dont stress, don't get all worked up thinking that the Day of The Lord is at hand!! Dont listen to those rumours out there, It's not at hand brothers, we never said it was either, now did we!!
Look, that 2nd coming WON'T come until a great falling away happens first, and THEN that man of sin gets REVEALED.
So until that man comes brothers, Christ isn't going to return soon (at hand) okay people!
Don't be scared, it's not coming soon.Now Pierre, think about it okay, don't just brush this aside…
The falling away happens FIRST…
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.
But scripture says that “that man” only gets REVEALED……AFTER……the falling away!!
But You put him at opposite ends of the prophecy!!Terra, Everybody knew Constantine, ALL the churches would have known Constantine was working with a group of their representatives to finalise various debated interpretations & come out with a “universal” agreement amongst the churches.
So this is not AFTER the falling away now is it!!So how could Constantine (“that man of sin” according to you) be REVEALED after the falling away when…
1- It hadnt yet occured…the falling away.
2 – Millions already knew Constantine (already REVEALED), Nations knew him (his human NATURE)…You can't very well REVEAL someone everybody already knew now, can you!! (People KNEW the nature of their leaders Pierre…kings did what they pleased, NOT like modern democracies etc where leaders have to be sneaky and two faced)
Also, Everybody (Christians) would have known Constantine was overseeing the finalisation of a “universal” doctrine (Nicene council)…I mean, every church had REPRESENTATIVES (doctrinally speaking) attending for goodness sake!!…BEFORE any falling away!!& 3 – Christ WON'T return UNTIL this wicked man comes first…
And what does Paul go on to tell those Thessalonians?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 >And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Which wicked?
2 Thessalonians 2:3 >Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (2nd coming) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin (false prophet) be REVEALED (AFTER the falling away), the son of perdition;
And HOW does this wicked man die again?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 >…. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
His mouth?
Revelation 19:15 >And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations…
So He will consume that wicked man with His word which is sharper than any sword, piercing even to the soul…
And WHAT does Paul say about the TIMING of that wicked mans death?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 >….and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
So, like Wakeup mentioned, Constantine is DEAD already…this other man however DIES at the 2nd COMING….he only DIES BECAUSE of that 2nd coming!!
What, did Christs 2nd coming happen between 306 – 307 AD?
I don't think so Pierre.
Pierre, Constantine fell sick, that is HOW he died.
NOT at the 2nd coming!!Thank you.
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 25 2012,21:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,06:27) Terra. 1. CONSTANTINE WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
2. CONSTANTINE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD.
3. AND CONSTANTINE WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE COMING.
4. CONSTANTINE NEVER SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND CALLED HIMSELF GOD.(2 thess.2:4).
5. THE SON OF PERDITION WILL ONLY HAVE POWER FOR 3/HALF YRS.(constantine ruled longer than that).You can consider all those facts or just brush it under the carpet.Its your choice.
wakeup.
Terra,Everything Wakeup said above are like long nails in that theory of yours.
I'm not being rude brother, but let us reason together.Why do you ignore common sense, logic & spiritual truth on this?
I mean, HOW can you as a Christian so easily ignore such damning evidence?
I mean come on!!
For heavens sake man, Constantine NEVER sat in the TEMPLE of God!!(2 Thessalonians 2:4)
There was NO temple LEFT!!
It was destroyed 70Ad Pierre!!
That ALONE destroys this Constantine business!!Okay…I said my bit on that…
Anyway, Concerning this scripture you used as an example:
2 Thessalonians 2:1 >Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 >That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 >Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Look at who Paul is addressing.
The church of the Thessalonians.(yes yes it's for us too, but we are listening in on his conversation to the THESSALONIANS never forget, a time where rumours & wolves were aplenty trying to destroy this new Christian religion)
So what is Paul telling THEM? (yes yes us too, but we're listening in on THEIR conversation remember)..Paul was telling THEM, “Not to worry, that the Day of The Lord is NOT at hand”!!
Other words…it's a long way off!!(now read between the lines as to what Paul is telling them)
“Hey guys, dont stress, don't get all worked up thinking that the Day of The Lord is at hand!! Dont listen to those rumours out there, It's not at hand brothers, we never said it was either, now did we!!
Look, that 2nd coming WON'T come until a great falling away happens first, and THEN that man of sin gets REVEALED.
So until that man comes brothers, Christ isn't going to return soon (at hand) okay people!
Don't be scared, it's not coming soon.Now Pierre, think about it okay, don't just brush this aside…
The falling away happens FIRST…
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.
But scripture says that “that man” only gets REVEALED……AFTER……the falling away!!
But You put him at opposite ends of the prophecy!!Terra, Everybody knew Constantine, ALL the churches would have known Constantine was working with a group of their representatives to finalise various debated interpretations & come out with a “universal” agreement amongst the churches.
So this is not AFTER the falling away now is it!!So how could Constantine (“that man of sin” according to you) be REVEALED after the falling away when…
1- It hadnt yet occured…the falling away.
2 – Millions already knew Constantine (already REVEALED), Nations knew him (his human NATURE)…You can't very well REVEAL someone everybody already knew now, can you!! (People KNEW the nature of their leaders Pierre…kings did what they pleased, NOT like modern democracies etc where leaders have to be sneaky and two faced)
Also, Everybody (Christians) would have known Constantine was overseeing the finalisation of a “universal” doctrine (Nicene council)…I mean, every church had REPRESENTATIVES (doctrinally speaking) attending for goodness sake!!…BEFORE any falling away!!& 3 – Christ WON'T return UNTIL this wicked man comes first…
And what does Paul go on to tell those Thessalonians?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 >And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Which wicked?
2 Thessalonians 2:3 >Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (2nd coming) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin (false prophet) be REVEALED (AFTER the falling away), the son of perdition;
And HOW does this wicked man die again?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 >…. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
His mouth?
Revelation 19:15 >And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations…
So He will consume that wicked man with His word which is sharper than any sword, piercing even to the soul…
And WHAT does Paul say about the TIMING of that wicked mans death?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 >….and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
So, like Wakeup mentioned, Constantine is DEAD already…this other man however DIES at the 2nd COMING….he only DIES BECAUSE of that 2nd coming!!
What, did Christs 2nd coming happen between 306 – 307 AD?
I don't think so Pierre.
Pierre, Constantine fell sick, that is HOW he died.
NOT at the 2nd coming!!Thank you.
devolike I say ,please let him put an scripture in front of every one of his 1,2,3,4,5'
then and only then we will see if he has the truth ,
devo
Quote Now Pierre, think about it okay, don't just brush this aside…
The falling away happens FIRST…
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.
But scripture says that “that man” only gets REVEALED……AFTER……the falling away!!
But You put him at opposite ends of the prophecy!!do you see how you are decieving me
were did I ever said this
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.I did not say that ;I said that Constantine could only do what he did BECAUSE THE FALLAWAY AD ALREADY BE THERE FOR MORE THAN 2 CENTURIES ,CONSTANTINE JUST MAKE IT COMPLETE
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,01:27) Terra. 1. CONSTANTINE WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
2. CONSTANTINE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD.
3. AND CONSTANTINE WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE COMING.
4. CONSTANTINE NEVER SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND CALLED HIMSELF GOD.(2 thess.2:4).
5. THE SON OF PERDITION WILL ONLY HAVE POWER FOR 3/HALF YRS.(constantine ruled longer than that).You can consider all those facts or just brush it under the carpet.Its your choice.
wakeup.
SET A SCRIPTURE TO EACH OF YOUR COMMENTS THEN WE SEEQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,08:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,01:27) Terra. 1. CONSTANTINE WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
2. CONSTANTINE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD.
3. AND CONSTANTINE WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE COMING.
4. CONSTANTINE NEVER SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND CALLED HIMSELF GOD.(2 thess.2:4).
5. THE SON OF PERDITION WILL ONLY HAVE POWER FOR 3/HALF YRS.(constantine ruled longer than that).You can consider all those facts or just brush it under the carpet.Its your choice.
wakeup.
SET A SCRIPTURE TO EACH OF YOUR COMMENTS THEN WE SEE
Terra.QUOTING TERRA:
I said that Constantine could only do what he did BECAUSE THE FALLAWAY AD ALREADY BE THERE FOR MORE THAN 2 CENTURIES ,CONSTANTINE JUST MAKE IT COMPLETE. UNQUOTE:Questions for Terra:
1. The falling away was 2 centuries before Constantine you said. Well where did that happen,for the church was only in its infancy.
In other words; THE CHURCH WAS JUST *BEGINNING.*2. 1TIM.4:1. NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY;
THAT IN —*LATTER TIMES* —SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS,AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.NOTICE; *LATTER TIMES* NOT *BEGINNING.*
You said 200yrs before constantine.
how come?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,08:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,08:09) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,01:27) Terra. 1. CONSTANTINE WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
2. CONSTANTINE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD.
3. AND CONSTANTINE WILL NOT BE HERE AT THE COMING.
4. CONSTANTINE NEVER SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND CALLED HIMSELF GOD.(2 thess.2:4).
5. THE SON OF PERDITION WILL ONLY HAVE POWER FOR 3/HALF YRS.(constantine ruled longer than that).You can consider all those facts or just brush it under the carpet.Its your choice.
wakeup.
SET A SCRIPTURE TO EACH OF YOUR COMMENTS THEN WE SEE
Terra.QUOTING TERRA:
I said that Constantine could only do what he did BECAUSE THE FALLAWAY AD ALREADY BE THERE FOR MORE THAN 2 CENTURIES ,CONSTANTINE JUST MAKE IT COMPLETE. UNQUOTE:Questions for Terra:
1. The falling away was 2 centuries before Constantine you said. Well where did that happen,for the church was only in its infancy.
In other words; THE CHURCH WAS JUST *BEGINNING.*2. 1TIM.4:1. NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY;
THAT IN —*LATTER TIMES* —SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS,AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.NOTICE; *LATTER TIMES* NOT *BEGINNING.*
You said 200yrs before constantine.
how come?wakeup.
Thank you Wakeup,I was going to say exactly the same thing!!
How can the falling away happen back then when Christianity hadn't even spread to all the worlds nations yet!!
Pierre is so wrong on this he can't accept it because it would mean ADMITTING he was wrong!
God forbid, he might have to apologise for calling us FALSE…when in fact it is HIM who had it all WRONG all along.
How many times has Pierre said to us, “where does it say that” or “that's not in the bible, you're making it up”….and then we show him…and then something amazing happens…he all of a sudden instantly understands the scripture he never knew existed and has the gall to explain it to us…coz amazingly…we're WRONG on them also!!
Yet he didn't even know they existed!!That is a sure sign of a bad thing.
Quote Questions for Terra:
1. The falling away was 2 centuries before Constantine you said. Well where did that happen,for the church was only in its infancy.
In other words; THE CHURCH WAS JUST *BEGINNING.*the fall away started already at Pauls time ,even John talked about it (antichrists) and John was close to 100 years old ,add to that another two centuries ,and look at history of what it was like at the time of Constantine about 315 AD, were was the truth
then ;Quote 2. 1TIM.4:1. NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY;
THAT IN —*LATTER TIMES* —SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS,AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.NOTICE; *LATTER TIMES* NOT *BEGINNING.*
his this not what did happen
with Constantine ;was this not at LATTER TIMES
more or less 2 centuries after John Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,08:07) devo Quote Now Pierre, think about it okay, don't just brush this aside…
The falling away happens FIRST…
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.
But scripture says that “that man” only gets REVEALED……AFTER……the falling away!!
But You put him at opposite ends of the prophecy!!do you see how you are decieving me
were did I ever said this
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.I did not say that ;I said that Constantine could only do what he did BECAUSE THE FALLAWAY AD ALREADY BE THERE FOR MORE THAN 2 CENTURIES ,CONSTANTINE JUST MAKE IT COMPLETE
Terra,I apologise, I must have read that bit wrong.
But that doesn't take away from your big mistake.
Your interpretation would cause the falling away to begin at 100 ad!!
A mere 30 years after 70ad!!
Can't you see how ridiculous that is?Christianity hadn't spread to all nations back then, it was still GROWING…
How can one fall away from something one doesn't even have yet??
No, you are flat out wrong, wrong, wrong.You need to grow a pair and admit this folly is unworkable.
Who deceived you on this making you look so silly?
Come out of her Pierre…Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,11:46) Quote Questions for Terra:
1. The falling away was 2 centuries before Constantine you said. Well where did that happen,for the church was only in its infancy.
In other words; THE CHURCH WAS JUST *BEGINNING.*the fall away started already at Pauls time ,even John talked about it (antichrists) and John was close to 100 years old ,add to that another two centuries ,and look at history of what it was like at the time of Constantine about 315 AD, were was the truth
then ;Quote 2. 1TIM.4:1. NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY;
THAT IN —*LATTER TIMES* —SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS,AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.NOTICE; *LATTER TIMES* NOT *BEGINNING.*
his this not what did happen
with Constantine ;was this not at LATTER TIMES
more or less 2 centuries after John
No no no.Terra, the antichrist spirit is to do with RESISTING the truth.
Think about it!!
Satan sends his resistance fighters right after Christ is crucified, CONTINUES waging his war against Christ's seed, just as rev ch12 tells us.
Truth is always a casualty of war!!How can that be the falling away when those resisting never had the truth to fall away from?
Because Christianity was still SPREADING and had NOT yet reached every nation even in Constantine's time.
This is just silly.
And as rev 12 shows us, Satan is just BEGINNING his war against believers.Look, the falling away isn't just about falling away from the truth, it also means falling away from BELIEVING in God all together!!
Now THAT has been happening & becoming more common.
Just look at today's youth…most are atheist now…thank liberal minded traitors to all things Godly for that…the loony left indoctrinating children at schools to their hypocritical madness.
Not surprising God used those “people”, after all, He does call liberal minded people VILE.Anyway,
No matter what you say on this subject, your hole just gets deeper and deeper.Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,08:07) devo Quote Now Pierre, think about it okay, don't just brush this aside…
The falling away happens FIRST…
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.
But scripture says that “that man” only gets REVEALED……AFTER……the falling away!!
But You put him at opposite ends of the prophecy!!do you see how you are decieving me
were did I ever said this
But according to you, Constantine BEGAN the falling away by setting up his religious tenets.I did not say that ;I said that Constantine could only do what he did BECAUSE THE FALLAWAY AD ALREADY BE THERE FOR MORE THAN 2 CENTURIES ,CONSTANTINE JUST MAKE IT COMPLETE
Terra,I apologise, I must have read that bit wrong.
But that doesn't take away from your big mistake.
Your interpretation would cause the falling away to begin at 100 ad!!
A mere 30 years after 70ad!!
Can't you see how ridiculous that is?Christianity hadn't spread to all nations back then, it was still GROWING…
How can one fall away from something one doesn't even have yet??
No, you are flat out wrong, wrong, wrong.You need to grow a pair and admit this folly is unworkable.
Who deceived you on this making you look so silly?
Come out of her Pierre…
devoQuote But that doesn't take away from your big mistake.
Your interpretation would cause the falling away to begin at 100 ad!!
A mere 30 years after 70ad!!
Can't you see how ridiculous that is?that is not what I say ;the fall away signs were already there wen the apostels were still alive ;
1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)
1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.2Pe 1:12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have.
2Pe 1:13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,
2Pe 1:14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.
2Pe 1:15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
2Pe 1:16 We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.1Jn 2:4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world.
1Jn 2:17 The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.Warning Against Antichrists
1Jn 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.those who started to lead away from the truth just were setting the ground works for the things to come ,Jesus told that the light will go out to dimm to see
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,07:15) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,11:46) Quote Questions for Terra:
1. The falling away was 2 centuries before Constantine you said. Well where did that happen,for the church was only in its infancy.
In other words; THE CHURCH WAS JUST *BEGINNING.*the fall away started already at Pauls time ,even John talked about it (antichrists) and John was close to 100 years old ,add to that another two centuries ,and look at history of what it was like at the time of Constantine about 315 AD, were was the truth
then ;Quote 2. 1TIM.4:1. NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY;
THAT IN —*LATTER TIMES* —SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS,AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.NOTICE; *LATTER TIMES* NOT *BEGINNING.*
his this not what did happen
with Constantine ;was this not at LATTER TIMES
more or less 2 centuries after John
No no no.Terra, the antichrist spirit is to do with RESISTING the truth.
Think about it!!
Satan sends his resistance fighters right after Christ is crucified, CONTINUES waging his war against Christ's seed, just as rev ch12 tells us.
Truth is always a casualty of war!!How can that be the falling away when those resisting never had the truth to fall away from?
Because Christianity was still SPREADING and had NOT yet reached every nation even in Constantine's time.
This is just silly.
And as rev 12 shows us, Satan is just BEGINNING his war against believers.Look, the falling away isn't just about falling away from the truth, it also means falling away from BELIEVING in God all together!!
Now THAT has been happening & becoming more common.
Just look at today's youth…most are atheist now…thank liberal minded traitors to all things Godly for that…the loony left indoctrinating children at schools to their hypocritical madness.
Not surprising God used those “people”, after all, He does call liberal minded people VILE.Anyway,
No matter what you say on this subject, your hole just gets deeper and deeper.
devoMt 13:24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
Mt 13:25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
Mt 13:26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
Mt 13:27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
Mt 13:28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
Mt 13:29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
Mt 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”REV 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “ Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.”
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Quote Look, the falling away isn't just about falling away from the truth, it also means falling away from BELIEVING in God all together!! Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”did the Jews not believe in one God the God of Abraham and Jacobs
so understand what Jesus says in those scriptures devo
Quote Anyway,
No matter what you say on this subject, your hole just gets deeper and deeper.so you think you can see me down the hole and so you are standing on top right
I have shown you scriptures while you have only given me opinionated comments .
and that is why you have put me in the pit
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2012,11:46) Quote Questions for Terra:
1. The falling away was 2 centuries before Constantine you said. Well where did that happen,for the church was only in its infancy.
In other words; THE CHURCH WAS JUST *BEGINNING.*the fall away started already at Pauls time ,even John talked about it (antichrists) and John was close to 100 years old ,add to that another two centuries ,and look at history of what it was like at the time of Constantine about 315 AD, were was the truth
then ;Quote 2. 1TIM.4:1. NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY;
THAT IN —*LATTER TIMES* —SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS,AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.NOTICE; *LATTER TIMES* NOT *BEGINNING.*
his this not what did happen
with Constantine ;was this not at LATTER TIMES
more or less 2 centuries after John
Terra.LATTER TIMES OF THE PREACHING THERE WILL BE A FALLING AWAY. NOT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PREACHING.understand.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANTICHRISTS AND *THE* ANTICHIST.(he does not exist in scripture).
wakeup.
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