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Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,04:57) Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Hi Ed You are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
Shalom,
Annie
Hi Annie,The seventh empire was the Ottoman Empire, the Eighth
Empire (which we are in now) is Muhammadin Isalm.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Ed,Yes the 7th empire was the Ottoman empire.
Revelation 17:11 states: “As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.”
Whether it will be called the same thing I don't know. What I do know is, since the Ottoman empire was made up of Arab countries then this tells us that the eighth will be Arab also. Since the dominant religion is Islam in Arab countries then we also know that the empire that will rule in the end time will be Arab/Muslim. Since Muslims don't believe in Yeshua as the Messiah, they will gladly follow the beast.
Who do you think the harlot is?
Shalom
AnnieQuote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,07:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,04:57) Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Hi Ed You are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
Shalom,
Annie
Hi Annie,The seventh empire was the Ottoman Empire, the Eighth
Empire (which we are in now) is Muhammadin Isalm.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Ed,Yes the 7th empire was the Ottoman empire.
Revelation 17:11 states: “As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.”
Whether it will be called the same thing I don't know. What I do know is, since the Ottoman empire was made up of Arab countries then this tells us that the eighth will be Arab also. Since the dominant religion is Islam in Arab countries then we also know that the empire that will rule in the end time will be Arab/Muslim. Since Muslims don't believe in Yeshua as the Messiah, they will gladly follow the beast.
Who do you think the harlot is?
Shalom
Annie
Hi Annie,Mystery Babylon the great is world religions.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,07:30) Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,07:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,04:57) Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Hi Ed You are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
Shalom,
Annie
Hi Annie,The seventh empire was the Ottoman Empire, the Eighth
Empire (which we are in now) is Muhammadin Isalm.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Ed,Yes the 7th empire was the Ottoman empire.
Revelation 17:11 states: “As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.”
Whether it will be called the same thing I don't know. What I do know is, since the Ottoman empire was made up of Arab countries then this tells us that the eighth will be Arab also. Since the dominant religion is Islam in Arab countries then we also know that the empire that will rule in the end time will be Arab/Muslim. Since Muslims don't believe in Yeshua as the Messiah, they will gladly follow the beast.
Who do you think the harlot is?
Shalom
Annie
Hi Annie,Mystery Babylon the great is world religions.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdI've heard that very same thing before, as well as the United States because of what Revelation says about it being a wealthy city. I think because of that people think the US is in prophecy, because NY is called the financial capital of the world.
I do not believe that the US is in prophecy so I don't think it is NY scripture is talking about. I know because scripture portrays her as a woman people think it is religions.
However, merchants don't get rich selling their wares to religions. The scripture calls Babylon a city and we know that Babylon is religious, political AND territorial. That makes me think it is actually a territory in the Middle East.
The scripture says the woman rides the beast, leading it, as when you ride a horse, you lead it where you want it to go. Islam is the religion of the beast obviously, so why would all the world's religions be riding it and leading it?
Think about this scripture:
Rev.17:1,2
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk”I know that could mean false idolatrous religions, but I don't believe Judaism or Christianity are false religions so much as they just don't have everything right. Since we know that Islam, Christianity and Judaism make up most of the world, I don't see religions as being the Harlot.
However, “seated on many waters” and “the wine of whose fornication the dwellers of the earth have become drunk” may give us a clue. When talking about people, scripture usually refers to seas, not waters. Obviously “wine” is not really wine. Now, if you look at Saudi Arabia, it is the only one that is surrounded by 8 waters, it is the richest country in the world as it has most of the world's oil (wine) 25%, (we know that everything today is about oil so it is easy to see the dwellers of the earth have become drunk on her wine), it is an Islamic country, when it talks about the “kings of the world” have committed fornication, we know that Saudi Arabia, with all its riches pays the political world off to keep their silence. The Clintons, Jimmy Carter, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell are a few. Saudi Arabia are the ones who have been funding the terrorists, and all of the terrorists from 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia plays both sides of the fence. Notice how it sits back at this time and is quiet while the rest of the Middle East is in an uproar? No one seems to mention Saudi Arabia through all of this, why?
Its almost as if the beast is allowing Saudi Arabia to lead it for a time, but her time will be short, as they will destroy her when her use is up.
What do you think?
Shalom,
AnnieHi Annie,
Just exactly how are the colors “purple” and “scarlet” merchandise? (Revelation 18:12)
“The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls,
and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet,” (Rev 18:12)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,10:58) Hi Annie, Just exactly how are the colors “purple” and “scarlet” merchandise? (Revelation 18:12)
“The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls,
and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet,” (Rev 18:12)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Exactly Ed.The world trade and luxuries and pleasures, and adulteries,and lies,and cheating,and they give their own souls for it,and slave for it ,and worship.
They all dwell in that city; and that city is the spiritual woman in purple and red,and pearls and gold.
Babylon the great the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.This woman is sitting on the 7heads; starting with egypt,to today.We dwell in the spiritual city Zion,where there is God fearing, love, and righteousness peace.Gods city.
Come out of babylon, and come to Zion,where there is peace. Dont get yoked with babylon.
Be ye seperate.If you dwell in babylon you will be destroyed,for babylon will be destroyed.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,15:02) Hi Wakeup, I dwell in the new Jerusalem.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.New jerusalem has not come down yet.
REv.21:1–4.The earth must be cleansed first.
Then the tabernacle of GOD will be on earth.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2012,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,15:02) Hi Wakeup, I dwell in the new Jerusalem.
God bless
Ed J
Edj.The earth must be cleansed first.
Then the tabernacle of GOD will be on earth.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The rudiments are being burned up even as we speak.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.organnie,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Hi Annie,Quote When talking about people, scripture usually refers to seas, not waters. Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.Quote Obviously “wine” is not really wine. Correct, wine is a metaphor.
Quote Now, if you look at Saudi Arabia, it is the only one that is surrounded by 8 waters Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.The whore is not surrounded by the waters Annie, she sits on them.
Quote we know that everything today is about oil so it is easy to see the dwellers of the earth have become drunk on her wine, it (Saudi Arabia) is the richest country in the world as it has most of the world's oil Rev 6:6
……….and see thou hurt not the oil and the wineOil & wine are two different things.
Cheers.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,15:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2012,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,15:02) Hi Wakeup, I dwell in the new Jerusalem.
God bless
Ed J
Edj.The earth must be cleansed first.
Then the tabernacle of GOD will be on earth.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The rudiments are being burned up even as we speak.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Open the eyes.
Is the world getting better,or is it getting worse.Yes/no.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Parts of it are getting better, and parts of it are getting worse.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,22:02) Hi Wakeup, Parts of it are getting better, and parts of it are getting worse.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.10% better and 90% worse.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,14:30) Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,07:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,04:57) Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Hi Ed You are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
Shalom,
Annie
Hi Annie,The seventh empire was the Ottoman Empire, the Eighth
Empire (which we are in now) is Muhammadin Isalm.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Ed,Yes the 7th empire was the Ottoman empire.
Revelation 17:11 states: “As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.”
Whether it will be called the same thing I don't know. What I do know is, since the Ottoman empire was made up of Arab countries then this tells us that the eighth will be Arab also. Since the dominant religion is Islam in Arab countries then we also know that the empire that will rule in the end time will be Arab/Muslim. Since Muslims don't believe in Yeshua as the Messiah, they will gladly follow the beast.
Who do you think the harlot is?
Shalom
Annie
Hi Annie,Mystery Babylon the great is world religions.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edNO ,the harlot is not religion ,
most of what you claim ,to scriptures is false,but this is to my understanding,
of cause in your eyes I must be wrong ,
Islam is the beast that comes out the earth two horn,because it is the image of the sixth head of the beast with seven heads ,
and one more thing for you and Annie;how could the 8th power be Islam when the 8th power is an extention of the seven and the seven are destroyed before the 1000 years of Christ Sabbath
and why is it that the scarlet beast comes out of the abbiss
you both have a men made view of scriptures ,but this again IS IN MY VIEW right
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,00:56) ed (1)NO ,the harlot is not religion ,
(2)Islam is the beast that comes out the earth two horn,because it is the image of the sixth head of the beast with seven heads ,
(3)and one more thing for you and Annie;how could the 8th power be Islam when the 8th power is an extention of the seven and the seven are destroyed before the 1000 years of Christ Sabbath
(4)and why is it that the scarlet beast comes out of the abbiss
(5)you both have a men made view of scriptures ,but this again IS IN MY VIEW right
Hi Wakeup,1) Please show us why you believe this.
2) The sixth head was the Roman Empire – no connection.
3) The eighth(Muhammadin islam) has not been destroyed yet – soon.
4) You mean out of the 'pit'?
5) Are you admitting your view is man made?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,01:16) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,00:56) ed (1)NO ,the harlot is not religion ,
(2)Islam is the beast that comes out the earth two horn,because it is the image of the sixth head of the beast with seven heads ,
(3)and one more thing for you and Annie;how could the 8th power be Islam when the 8th power is an extention of the seven and the seven are destroyed before the 1000 years of Christ Sabbath
(4)and why is it that the scarlet beast comes out of the abbiss
(5)you both have a men made view of scriptures ,but this again IS IN MY VIEW right
Hi Wakeup,1) Please show us why you believe this.
2) The sixth head was the Roman Empire – no connection.
3) The eighth(Muhammadin islam) has not been destroyed yet – soon.
4) You mean out of the 'pit'?
5) Are you admitting your view is man made?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Are you suffering from dyslexia?
Those are not my views but yours.
I was explaining your views .You are a good spinner.
Those are totally opposite to my viewswakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2012,06:53) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,01:16) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,00:56) ed (1)NO ,the harlot is not religion ,
(2)Islam is the beast that comes out the earth two horn,because it is the image of the sixth head of the beast with seven heads ,
(3)and one more thing for you and Annie;how could the 8th power be Islam when the 8th power is an extention of the seven and the seven are destroyed before the 1000 years of Christ Sabbath
(4)and why is it that the scarlet beast comes out of the abbiss
(5)you both have a men made view of scriptures ,but this again IS IN MY VIEW right
Hi Wakeup,1) Please show us why you believe this.
2) The sixth head was the Roman Empire – no connection.
3) The eighth(Muhammadin islam) has not been destroyed yet – soon.
4) You mean out of the 'pit'?
5) Are you admitting your view is man made?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Are you suffering from dyslexia?
Those are not my views but yours.
I was explaining your views .You are a good spinner.
Those are totally opposite to my viewswakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Why do you claim your words are my views?
If you would pay attention to what I say,
then you would understand my view.1) You said (in your quote) the harlot is not religion – NOT ME!
2) You said (in your quote) the two horned beast is connected to the sixth head, NOT ME!
3) —
4) Rev.17:8 says 'PIT'. not abyss.
5) —God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,08:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2012,06:53) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,01:16) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,00:56) ed (1)NO ,the harlot is not religion ,
(2)Islam is the beast that comes out the earth two horn,because it is the image of the sixth head of the beast with seven heads ,
(3)and one more thing for you and Annie;how could the 8th power be Islam when the 8th power is an extention of the seven and the seven are destroyed before the 1000 years of Christ Sabbath
(4)and why is it that the scarlet beast comes out of the abbiss
(5)you both have a men made view of scriptures ,but this again IS IN MY VIEW right
Hi Wakeup,1) Please show us why you believe this.
2) The sixth head was the Roman Empire – no connection.
3) The eighth(Muhammadin islam) has not been destroyed yet – soon.
4) You mean out of the 'pit'?
5) Are you admitting your view is man made?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Are you suffering from dyslexia?
Those are not my views but yours.
I was explaining your views .You are a good spinner.
Those are totally opposite to my viewswakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Why do you claim your words are my views?
If you would pay attention to what I say,
then you would understand my view.1) You said (in your quote) the harlot is not religion – NOT ME!
2) You said (in your quote) the two horned beast is connected to the sixth head, NOT ME!
3) —
4) Rev.17:8 says 'PIT'. not abyss.
5) —God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.Thats not what I said..but what you said.
show me.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup: Oh sorry, that's what Pierre said. (It is in the first quote)
Mystery Babylon the great is Religion
“And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen,
and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage
of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath
of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her,
and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works:
in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.” (Rev 18:2-8)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,12:22) Hi Wakeup: Oh sorry, that's what Pierre said. (It is in the first quote) Mystery Babylon the great is Religion
“And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen,
and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage
of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath
of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her,
and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works:
in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.” (Rev 18:2-8)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Babylon the great,is a spiritual woman and is a great city,where all the people of the world past and present dwelleth.They all love this city
This woman is the worlds trade and luxuries and pleasures, and cheatings,and oppressing the poor, and
greed,and love for fame, and love for the material,and money,and power,and false gods.In a way,it is a religion;because this is what the people are worshipping,in their hearts.
They are willing to torture them selves,and make them selves slaves for those luxuries,and money.They even kill for money, and cuase others harm for money and fame.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2012,20:53) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2012,12:22) Hi Wakeup: Oh sorry, that's what Pierre said. (It is in the first quote) Mystery Babylon the great is Religion
“And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen,
and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage
of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath
of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her,
and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works:
in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.” (Rev 18:2-8)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Babylon the great,is a spiritual woman and is a great city,where all the people of the world past and present dwelleth.They all love this city
This woman is the worlds trade and luxuries and pleasures, and cheatings,and oppressing the poor, and
greed,and love for fame, and love for the material,and money,and power,and false gods.In a way,it is a religion;because this is what the people are worshipping,in their hearts.
They are willing to torture them selves,and make them selves slaves for those luxuries,and money.They even kill for money, and cuase others harm for money and fame.wakeup.
wupactually ,it is everything that stands against God,so it is Satan himself sitting on his empires
he is the guilty of ALL THE BLOOD OF THE RIGHTEOUS ON EARTH
Rev 17:6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
Rev 18:24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
and of all who have been killed on the earth.”(including Abel)
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