The little horn.

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    Wakeup
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    Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    ONE OF THEM WAS NAMED, SELEUCUS 1. SO OUT OF HIM WILL COME THE LITTLE HORN.
    NOT OUT OF HIS KINGDOM; BUT OUT OF HIM. HE WILL WAX EXCEEDING GTREAT;TOWARDS THE SOUTH,EAST,AND TOWARDS THE PLEASANT LAND.
    THIS MEANS THAT HE IS COMING FROM THE NORTH.
    THIS WILL BE IN THE LAST DAYS. WE SHOULD SEEK HIS BLOODLINE IF POSSIBLE; NOT HIS KINGDOMS.
    PART OF SELEUCUS’S KINGDOM INCLUDES ISRAEL. HE IS OF GREEK DECENT; BUT MUST HAVE MIXED DURING THE YEARS.
    IS IT ONLY POSSIBLE TO FIND HIS BLOODLINE? WHICH IS HARD I THINK.
    SCRIPTURE CALLS HIM THE WICKED PRINCE OF ISRAEL.
    COULD KING HEROD BE ONE OF HIS BLOODLINE? COULD NERO BE ONE OF ALSO HIS BLOODLINE?
    COULD JUDAS ISCARIOT ALSO BE ONE OF HIS BLOODLINE? A BIG QUESTION.

    wakeup.

    #785522
    Devolution
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    Hi Wakeup,

    Here is something interesting .. this is the briefest summed – up one I’ve found so far .. of course we have to disregard their doctrinal errors, the historical side is interesting though .. by some one called Chuck Missler ..

    Antiochus Epiphanes

    The Seleucid ruler that figures so prominently in Biblical studies is, of course, Antiochus IV, who also adopted the label Epiphanes or Coming One. Committed to crushing Judaism, he outlawed the keeping of the Torah, persecuted the Jews, and confirmed his place in history by having a sow sacrificed on the sacred altar in the Temple in Jerusalem and placing an idol to Zeus inside the Holy of Holies itself. This desecration is known specifically as The Abomination of Desolation.

    The consequent outrage led to the famed Maccabbean revolt which success fully threw off the yoke of the Greek rulers and ushered in the Hasmonean period of Israel’s history. On the third anniversary of the Temple’s desecration, on the 25th of Kislev, 165 b.c., the Temple was rededicated. This rededication is celebrated to this very day as Hanukkah.4

    This historical event took on additional prophetic significance two centuries later when four disciples received a private briefing by Jesus Himself on the Second Coming, in which Jesus alluded to a future reoccurrence of a similar desecration as the key to all end-time prophecy.5 This repetition of the Abomination of Desolation is the central milestone in the middle of the climactic seven-year period comprising the Seventieth Week of Daniel Chapter 9.6

    However, as so often occurs in Biblical prophecy, many times the immediate, local application of a passage clearly transcends the context to yield a glimpse of a larger, more climactic application.7 While the passage in Daniel 11–up to verse 35–has clearly been historically fulfilled, verses 36-45 seem to strangely overlap both the career of Antiochus Epiphanes of the past and also the final world ruler, portrayed as the Willful King.8

    After the horrible reign of Antiochus IV, the Seleucid line continued under the same title, with Antiochus V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, and XIII. The Seleucid dynasty came to an end in 63 b.c. when Pompey declared that Syria would become a Roman province. However, the descendants of the Seleucids continued in importance and became intertwined with the Herodians and the royal houses of Rome.9

    The Prince That Shall Come

    The Coming World Leader–commonly known as the Antichrist – has 33 titles in the Old Testament and 13 in the New Testament. One of these, The Prince That Shall Come, comes from Daniel 9:26-27 in which the people of the Prince that shall come would destroy the city and the sanctuary. The fulfillment occurred in history when the Roman legions under Titus Vespasian destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D.10

    This reflexive reference to the Romans in Daniel 9:26 is one of several reasons why most Bible scholars view the future Prince that shall come as a Roman, or European.

    A Continuous Genealogy?

    A genealogical link between the original Antiochus Epiphanes and Titus Vespasian would not be surprising, and yet it is very provocative. But there may be more.

    In the fifth century the royal line of the Franks intermarried with the Merovingian dynasty, which ultimately links with the family trees of the Habsburgs, the House of Lorraine, Plantard, Luxembourg, Pontzat, Montesquieu, Sinclair, Stuarts, and most of the royal families of Europe. Among contemporary luminaries are Otto von Habsburg of Austria and his son, Karl, and King Juan Carlos I of Spain and his son, Felipe.

    [It is from this type of background that some consider King Juan Carlos of Spain or his son Felipe as possible candidates. The lineage of the son includes 2 German emperors, 8 kings of Denmark, 5 kings of Sweden, 7 Czars of Russia, 1 king and 1 queen of Norway, 1 queen of England and 5 kings of Greece.]

    The Magdalene Blasphemy

    There are a number of occultic groups that hold to the outrageous suggestion that the Merovingian line is directly linked to offspring from Jesus and Mary Magdalene.11 While obviously a blasphemous lie, it is interesting that there are people who take this seriously. Could this Satanic delusion have an end-time purpose?

    A Candidate on the Horizon?

    History is littered with speculations as to the identity of this final Coming World Leader. While there still remains a 378-year void in the span between Vespasian (69 a.d.) and the reign of Merovee (beginning in 447 a.d.), there may be dusty documents lying in some library that might validate the implied linkage. Let’s watch and see.

    The more one studies the numerous references to this Man of Destiny in the Scriptures, and the more one examines the many details of the scenario that surrounds his career, the more it appears that the world is plunging into the period in which he will become the man of the hour. Many of the most knowledgeable commentators believe he may be alive today.

    God bless.

    #785531
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Hi Devo.

    That was very interesting to read,; it shows how they have spread through out the earth.
    Dank je wel.

    About Color: 1.before you start a sentence; Do this.
    1. [ state coror= ??? ] then close with this. [/ color. then, same bracket ]

    wakeup.

    #785591
    Devolution
    Participant

    Thanks Wakeup,

    This new format is a little confusing, but i’m getting there.

    Hey Wakeup, I have been pondering on this for a while now :

    Daniel 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

    What if there is an added angle on this statement we haven’t considered yet? (maybe you have?)

    What if the “bear rule over ALL the earth” is the false prophet fulfilling it through the last beast and the mark?

    It would fit with the Seleucid bloodline.

    I understand that the brass kingdom gave way to the iron kingdom, fair enough, but Rome was really just an extension of the Greek system and all other European nations / dominions since .. Rome inherited Greek philosophies, army tactics, gods, political systems, etc etc ..

    Wouldn’t that imply that the brass continued on in various aspects through the iron itself?

    Meaning they did not vanish with its kingdom’s end, but gradually morphed and transferred it’s “spirit / essence/ systems etc” into that other metal (iron)?

    The claws of the beast are brass .. why brass? why are only two metals present within this beast?

    I might be barking up the wrong tree, but it comes to mind every time I read it!

    Ideas?

    #785605
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Hi Devo.

    Yes,we are under the roman empire, but the body structure is Greek;(leopard).
    We are under a democratic system; are we not?

    Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    His feet, as the feet of a bear:
    Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, DEVOUR much flesh.
    The feet will devour much flesh.

    His mouth as the mouth of a lion:
    Daniel 7:4 [ color=red]The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: (proud).[/color] I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked,(humbled), and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
    Rev,13:2. This beast is also proud ,speaking great words against the most high, will also be humbled; at the coming.
    The high and proud will be brought low to the ground, and the humble will be lifted up.

    wakeup.

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