The Literal Son of God

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35)

Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hebrews 9:22

King James Version (KJV)

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

If that were true then this can't be tru:

Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Luke 1:76-77

King James Version (KJV)

76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence?

[Ed J]

baptism symbolizes death

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence?

Hi BD,

You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)!
Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve….

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Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may
abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up
(resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might
be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed
from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live
with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no
more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth
unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,08:03)

baptism symbolizes death Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence? Hi BD, You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)! Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve…. Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

Baptism does not symbolize bloodshed, does it?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,09:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,08:03) baptism symbolizes death Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence? Hi BD, You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)! Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve…. Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Baptism does not symbolize bloodshed, does it?

Hi BD,

“Jesus”(74) blood was shed while dying on the “cross”(74) (1Cor 1:17)

The “Gospel:(74) is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ;
something your 'false prophet' has taught all muslims to reject.

יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,10:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,09:00) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,08:03) baptism symbolizes death Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence? Hi BD, You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)! Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve…. Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Baptism does not symbolize bloodshed, does it? Hi BD, “Jesus”(74) blood was shed while dying on the “cross”(74) (1Cor 1:17) The “Gospel:(74) is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; something your 'false prophet' has taught all muslims to reject. יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to
make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,10:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,09:00) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,08:03) baptism symbolizes death Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence? Hi BD, You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)! Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve…. Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Baptism does not symbolize bloodshed, does it? Hi BD, “Jesus”(74) blood was shed while dying on the “cross”(74) (1Cor 1:17) The “Gospel:(74) is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; something your 'false prophet' has taught all muslims to reject. יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

Did Jeus preach the Gospel you mentioned or did he preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God?

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Where is BLOODSHED in this Gospel Jesus was sent to preach?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,10:17)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,10:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,09:00) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,08:03) baptism symbolizes death Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence? Hi BD, You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)! Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve…. Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Baptism does not symbolize bloodshed, does it? Hi BD, “Jesus”(74) blood was shed while dying on the “cross”(74) (1Cor 1:17) The “Gospel:(74) is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; something your 'false prophet' has taught all muslims to reject. יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Leviticus 17:11-14

King James Version (KJV)

11For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

12Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

13And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

14For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,14:04)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,10:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,09:00) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,08:03) baptism symbolizes death Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV) 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. If that were true then this can't be tru: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Which is true? Why didn't John preach shedding of blood for repentence? Hi BD, You prove over and over just how little you understand of “The Word of God”(The Bible)! Please read this Scripture very carefully, so you may learn about the God you claim to serve…. Rom.6:1-11 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (resurrected) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin (John 8:36). Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Baptism does not symbolize bloodshed, does it? Hi BD, “Jesus”(74) blood was shed while dying on the “cross”(74) (1Cor 1:17) The “Gospel:(74) is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; something your 'false prophet' has taught all muslims to reject. יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Did Jeus preach the Gospel you mentioned or did he preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God? Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Where is BLOODSHED in this Gospel Jesus was sent to preach?

Hi BD, why yes he did!

“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)

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You mean like this verse…

Mark 8:31 And[Jesus] began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected
of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

And how about a second…

Matt 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders
and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

And here is a third…

1 Cor 15:12-14 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,
how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

How about a fourth…

Rev 1:17-18 Fear not; I am the first and the last: and was dead; and,
behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

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עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35)

Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hi Ed:

That is the Word of God. I am praying that the Holy Spirit will help BD to see this so that he can be saved.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 31 2012,15:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed: That is the Word of God.  I am praying that the Holy Spirit will help BD to see this so that he can be saved. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty even if what you thought was 100% accurate 1 John 2:2 doesn't give just Christians salvation it says “he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,”

How do you explain that? I will nake this point over and over because it is the main point that you miss. Salvation comes from God Alone through whatever means He chooses

Psalm 13:5
But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.

Psalm 144:10
It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword.

Isaiah 49:8
Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee,[/B] and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Now Marty we only have a disagreement about the method of salvation now the Bible says this about John the Baptust the Prophet of the Highest.

Luke 1:76-77

King James Version (KJV)

76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Now I ask you or Ed or anyone else to please explain how these verses cannot be correct?

What you are telling me is that John the Baptist told people to stop sinning in order to be saved but you don't believe that although John the Baptist wasn't the only one who said simply STOP sinning and you will be saved

Ezekiel 33:12
Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

This is the way of God it has always been the way of God

You are trapped in a way that you have been taught not in a way that is consistent with Godliness do you not even understand how God feels about innocent blood being shed?

Deuteronomy 19:10
That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.

You are accusing God of something HE HIMSELF said not to do.

1 Samuel 19:5

King James Version (KJV)

5For he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause?

2 Kings 24:4
And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon.

Marty please read these words carefully and seriously plus add to that the fact that Jesus clearly said HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KILLED he said NOT MY WILL so at best Jesus didn't die for you even if he did get crucified it was not for you or your sins because he said it wasn't his will to do so so even if he was killed by crucifixion it was for God and not man and therefor Jesus said:

Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Shouldn't he have said bless them for this is your will? So this shows Jesus is saying he doesn't believe that even this is the will of God for why would Jesus ask for forgiveness of those doing the Will of God?

So he asked for forgiveness for those who did not believe in him and shed his blood (according to the scriptures)

[Ed J]

Hi Marty,

2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us [Christians] to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour
of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many,
which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

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Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,10:56)

Hi Marty, 2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us [Christians] to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

Hi Ed:

Yes, but I am still praying for a miracle.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ April 09 2012,14:05)

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,10:56) Hi Marty, 2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us [Christians] to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) Hi Ed: Yes, but I am still praying for a miracle. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty, GOD bless you my brother!

1 Peter 3:15-20 But sanctify the LORD God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer
to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it
is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,

being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached
unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once  the longsuffering of God waited
in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 31 2012,15:57) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed: That is the Word of God.  I am praying that the Holy Spirit will help BD to see this so that he can be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty even if what you thought was 100% accurate 1 John 2:2 doesn't give just Christians salvation it says “he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,” How do you explain that? I will nake this point over and over because it is the main point that you miss. Salvation comes from God Alone through whatever means He chooses Psalm 13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation. Psalm 144:10 It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword. Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee,[/B] and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; Now Marty we only have a disagreement about the method of salvation now the Bible says this about John the Baptust the Prophet of the Highest. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Now I ask you or Ed or anyone else to please explain how these verses cannot be correct? What you are telling me is that John the Baptist told people to stop sinning in order to be saved but you don't believe that although John the Baptist wasn't the only one who said simply STOP sinning and you will be saved Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. This is the way of God it has always been the way of God You are trapped in a way that you have been taught not in a way that is consistent with Godliness do you not even understand how God feels about innocent blood being shed? Deuteronomy 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. You are accusing God of something HE HIMSELF said not to do. 1 Samuel 19:5 King James Version (KJV) 5For he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause? 2 Kings 24:4 And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon. Marty please read these words carefully and seriously plus add to that the fact that Jesus clearly said HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KILLED he said NOT MY WILL so at best Jesus didn't die for you even if he did get crucified it was not for you or your sins because he said it wasn't his will to do so so even if he was killed by crucifixion it was for God and not man and therefor Jesus said: Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Shouldn't he have said bless them for this is your will? So this shows Jesus is saying he doesn't believe that even this is the will of God for why would Jesus ask for forgiveness of those doing the Will of God? So he asked for forgiveness for those who did not believe in him and shed his blood (according to the scriptures)

Hi BD:

My wife who is a born again Christian was sick the other day, and I have been trying to get her to exercise her faith in God's Word which states that when we are sick we should call the elders of the church to pray for our healing.  This Word of God is found in the 5th chapter of the epistle of James.  But although I have told my wife about this on several occasions and although she studies the bible on a daily basis, she does not ask me to pray for her when she is sick.

God showed me in a dream that I was calling my wife to see a rabbit with turkey feathers for ears.  Obviously, that rabbit wasn't hearing anything that God was trying to say to her.

It is kind of the same with you.  I have already explained to you that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all who were in a covenant relationship with God prior to the advent of Christ on earth and for all who come to God through him since his ministry on earth until his coming for the body of Christ in the event called the rapture. The body of Christ includes all who have served God in the OT and all who have come to God through Christ in the NT.

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Mat 13:14   And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:   Mat 13:15   For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [\COLOR]

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1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

God loves you and has given us His Son through whom anyone who chooses to do so can be reconciled to Him.  I is your choice.

L
ove in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2012,02:41) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 31 2012,15:57) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed: That is the Word of God.  I am praying that the Holy Spirit will help BD to see this so that he can be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty even if what you thought was 100% accurate 1 John 2:2 doesn't give just Christians salvation it says “he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,” How do you explain that? I will nake this point over and over because it is the main point that you miss. Salvation comes from God Alone through whatever means He chooses Psalm 13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation. Psalm 144:10 It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword. Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee,[/B] and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; Now Marty we only have a disagreement about the method of salvation now the Bible says this about John the Baptust the Prophet of the Highest. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Now I ask you or Ed or anyone else to please explain how these verses cannot be correct? What you are telling me is that John the Baptist told people to stop sinning in order to be saved but you don't believe that although John the Baptist wasn't the only one who said simply STOP sinning and you will be saved Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. This is the way of God it has always been the way of God You are trapped in a way that you have been taught not in a way that is consistent with Godliness do you not even understand how God feels about innocent blood being shed? Deuteronomy 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. You are accusing God of something HE HIMSELF said not to do. 1 Samuel 19:5 King James Version (KJV) 5For he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause? 2 Kings 24:4 And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon. Marty please read these words carefully and seriously plus add to that the fact that Jesus clearly said HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KILLED he said NOT MY WILL so at best Jesus didn't die for you even if he did get crucified it was not for you or your sins because he said it wasn't his will to do so so even if he was killed by crucifixion it was for God and not man and therefor Jesus said: Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Shouldn't he have said bless them for this is your will? So this shows Jesus is saying he doesn't believe that even this is the will of God for why would Jesus ask for forgiveness of those doing the Will of God? So he asked for forgiveness for those who did not believe in him and shed his blood (according to the scriptures) Hi BD: My wife who is a born again Christian was sick the other day, and I have been trying to get her to exercise her faith in God's Word which states that when we are sick we should call the elders of the church to pray for our healing.  This Word of God is found in the 5th chapter of the epistle of James.  But although I have told my wife about this on several occasions and although she studies the bible on a daily basis, she does not ask me to pray for her when she is sick. God showed me in a dream that I was calling my wife to see a rabbit with turkey feathers for ears.  Obviously, that rabbit wasn't hearing anything that God was trying to say to her. It is kind of the same with you.  I have already explained to you that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all who were in a covenant relationship with God prior to the advent of Christ on earth and for all who come to God through him since his ministry on earth until his coming for the body of Christ in the event called the rapture.  The body of Christ includes all who have served God in the OT and all who have come to God through Christ in the NT. Quote Mat 13:14   And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:   Mat 13:15   For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [\COLOR] Quote 1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this l ife is in his Son. God loves you and has given us His Son through whom anyone who chooses to do so can be reconciled to Him.  I is your choice. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty

Peace and Blessings to you and your wife.

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1 Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Jesus says:

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Marty you believe the elders need to lay hands on the sick

Jesus says:

Matthew 9:22
But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

You tend to take the position that someone is not saved if they don't believe how you believe but there are all sorts of levels of belief. Both you and your wife are both Christians but you felt your view was more advanced then hers but I as you.

What's wrong with being sick? Perhaps that was a test for those around her. Perhaps she simply needed Mercy and compassion. Don't you realize whatever laying on of the hands would do ultimately to your Lord you must return. Do not be like the unbelievers.

Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #96)

God Bless you and your wife

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Quote (942767 @ April 09 2012,14:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2012,02:41) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 31 2012,15:57) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed: That is the Word of God.  I am praying that the Holy Spirit will help BD to see this so that he can be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty even if what you thought was 100% accurate 1 John 2:2 doesn't give just Christians salvation it says “he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,” How do you explain that? I will nake this point over and over because it is the main point that you miss. Salvation comes from God Alone through whatever means He chooses Psalm 13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation. Psalm 144:10 It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword. Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee,[/B] and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; Now Marty we only have a disagreement about the method of salvation now the Bible says this about John the Baptust the Prophet of the Highest. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Now I ask you or Ed or anyone else to please explain how these verses cannot be correct? What you are telling me is that John the Baptist told people to stop sinning in order to be saved but you don't believe that although John the Baptist wasn't the only one who said simply STOP sinning and you will be saved Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. This is the way of God it has always been the way of God You are trapped in a way that you have been taught not in a way that is consistent with Godliness do you not even understand how God feels about innocent blood being shed? Deuteronomy 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. You are accusing God of something HE HIMSELF said not to do. 1 Samuel 19:5 King James Version (KJV) 5For he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause? 2 Kings 24:4 And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon. Marty please read these words carefully and seriously plus add to that the fact that Jesus clearly said HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KILLED he said NOT MY WILL so at best Jesus didn't die for you even if he did get crucified it was not for you or your sins because he said it wasn't his will to do so so even if he was killed by crucifixion it was for God and not man and therefor Jesus said: Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Shouldn't he have said bless them for this is your will? So this shows Jesus is saying he doesn't believe that even this is the will of God for why would Jesus ask for forgiveness of those doing the Will of God? So he asked for forgiveness for those who did not believe in him and shed his blood (according to the scriptures) Hi BD: My wife who is a born again Christian was sick the other day, and I have been trying to get her to exercise her faith in God's Word which states that when we are sick we should call the elders of the church to pray for our healing.  This Word of God is found in the 5th chapter of the epistle of James.  But although I have told my wife about this on several occasions and although she studies the bible on a daily basis, she does not ask me to pray for her when she is sick. God showed me in a dream that I was calling my wife to see a rabbit with turkey feathers for ears.  Obviously, that rabbit wasn't hearing anything that God was trying to say to her. It is kind of the same with you.  I have already explained to you that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all who were in a covenant relationship with God prior to the advent of Christ on earth and for all who come to God through him since his ministry on earth until his coming for the body of Christ in the event called the rapture.  The body of Christ includes all who have served God in the OT and all who have come to God through Christ in the NT. Quote Mat 13:14   And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:   Mat 13:15   For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [\COLOR] Quote 1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the w itness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. God loves you and has given us His Son through whom anyone who chooses to do so can be reconciled to Him.  I is your choice. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty Peace and Blessings to you and your wife. Quote 1 Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Jesus says: John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Marty you believe the elders need to lay hands on the sick Jesus says: Matthew 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour. You tend to take the position that someone is not saved if they don't believe how you believe but there are all sorts of levels of belief. Both you and your wife are both Christians but you felt your view was more advanced then hers but I as you. What's wrong with being sick? Perhaps that was a test for those around her. Perhaps she simply needed Mercy and compassion. Don't you realize whatever laying on of the hands would do ultimately to your Lord you must return. Do not be like the unbelievers. Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #96) God Bless you and your wife

Hi BD:

My opinion does not matter.  It is what God says in His Word that I believe and so I do what the Word of God states.

And apparently, God was agreeing with me about my wife since He spoke to me in this dream showing me a rabbit with turkey feathers for ears.

You also are not hearing what God is saying to you.

God loves you.  Are you listening?

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John the Baptist whom you quoted said this:

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Jhn 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The Koran is not the Word of God.  I know this because it teaches that God did not have a literal Son, and it teaches that Jesus was not crucified, and that he was not raised from the dead.  God will not say one thing in the bible and then condradict it somewhere else.

I will be praying that God will do all within His power to get you to see the truth.

Luk 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.  

Luk 24:2   And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre

Luk 24:4   And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:  

Luk 24:5   And as they were afraid, and bowed down [their] faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?  

Luk 24:6   He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,  

Luk 24:7   Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.  

Luk 24:8   And they remembered his words

Luk 24:9   And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.  

Luk 24:10   It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [the mother] of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles.  

Luk 24:11   And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.  

Luk 24:12   Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.  

Luk 24:13 ¶ And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] threescore furlongs.  

Luk 24:14   And they talked together of all these things which had happened.  

Luk 24:15   And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.  

Luk 24:16   But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.  

Luk 24:17   And he said unto them, What manner of communications [are] these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?  

Luk 24:18   And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?  

Luk 24:19   And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:  

Luk 24:20   And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.  

Luk 24:21   But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.  

Luk 24:22   Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;  

Luk 24:23   And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.  

Luk 24:24   And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.  

Luk 24:25   Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:  

Luk 24:26   Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?  

Luk 24:27   And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.  

Luk 24:28 ¶ And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.  

Luk 24:29   But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.  

Luk 24:30   And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them.  

Luk 24:31   And
their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.  

Luk 24:32   And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?  

Luk 24:33   And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,  

Luk 24:34   Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.  

Luk 24:35   And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.  

Luk 24:36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.  

Luk 24:37   But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.  

Luk 24:38   And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?  

Luk 24:39   Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.  

Luk 24:40   And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet.  

Luk 24:41   And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?  

Luk 24:42   And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.  

Luk 24:43   And he took [it], and did eat before them.  

Luk 24:44 ¶ And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.  

Luk 24:45   Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,  

Luk 24:46   And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:  

Luk 24:47   And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.  

Luk 24:48   And ye are witnesses of these things.  

Luk 24:49   And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.  

Luk 24:50 ¶ And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.  

Luk 24:51   And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.  

Luk 24:52   And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:  

Luk 24:53   And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.  

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #96)

Hi BD,

A non-existing god is capable of no punishment.
Only mislead muislims can inflict pain in the
name of this non-existing abomination!

יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 09 2012,15:07) Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #96) Hi BD, A non-existing god is capable of no punishment. Only mislead muislims can inflict pain in the name of this non-existing abomination! יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

“Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:” (Matt 10:28)

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 09 2012,15:07) Quote (942767 @ April 09 2012,14:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2012,02:41) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 31 2012,15:57) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,12:35) Hi Marty, “Without shedding of blood is no remission [of sins].” (Heb 9:22) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed: That is the Word of God.  I am praying that the Holy Spirit will help BD to see this so that he can be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty even if what you thought was 100% accurate 1 John 2:2 doesn't give just Christians salvation it says “he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,” How do you explain that? I will nake this point over and over because it is the main point that you miss. Salvation comes from God Alone through whatever means He chooses Psalm 13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation. Psalm 144:10 It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword. Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee,[/B] and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; Now Marty we only have a disagreement about the method of salvation now the Bible says this about John the Baptust the Prophet of the Highest. Luke 1:76-77 King James Version (KJV) 76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Now I ask you or Ed or anyone else to please explain how these verses cannot be correct? What you are telling me is that John the Baptist told people to stop sinning in order to be saved but you don't believe that although John the Baptist wasn't the only one who said simply STOP sinning and you will be saved Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. This is the way of God it has always been the way of God You are trapped in a way that you have been taught not in a way that is consistent with Godliness do you not even understand how God feels about innocent blood being shed? Deuteronomy 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. You are accusing God of something HE HIMSELF said not to do. 1 Samuel 19:5 King James Version (KJV) 5For he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause? 2 Kings 24:4 And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon. Marty please read these words carefully and seriously plus add to that the fact that Jesus clearly said HE DID NOT WANT TO BE KILLED he said NOT MY WILL so at best Jesus didn't die for you even if he did get crucified it was not for you or your sins because he said it wasn't his will to do so so even if he was killed by crucifixion it was for God and not man and therefor Jesus said: Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Shouldn't he have said bless them for this is your will? So this shows Jesus is saying he doesn't believe that even this is the will of God for why would Jesus ask for forgiveness of those doing the Will of God? So he asked for forgiveness for those who did not believe in him and shed his blood (according to the scriptures) Hi BD: My wife who is a born again Christian was sick the other day, and I have been trying to get her to exercise her faith in God's Word which states that when we are sick we should call the elders of the church to pray for our healing.  This Word of God is found in the 5th chapter of the epistle of James.  But although I have told my wife about this on several occasions and although she studies the bible on a daily basis, she does not ask me to pray for her when she is sick. God showed me in a dream that I was calling my wife to see a rabbit with turkey feathers for ears.  Obviously, that rabbit wasn't hearing anything that God was trying to say to her. It is kind of the same with you.  I have already explained to you that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all who were in a covenant relationship with God prior to the advent of Christ on earth and for all who come to God through him since his ministry on earth until his coming for the body of Christ in the event called the rapture.  The body of Christ includes all who have served God in the OT and all who have come to God through Christ in the NT. Quote Mat 13:14   And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:   Mat 13:15   For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [\COLOR] Quote 1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. God loves you and has given us His Son through whom anyone who chooses to do so can be reconciled to Him.  I is your choice. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty Peace and Blessings to you and your wife. Quote 1 Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Jesus says: John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Marty you believe the elders need to lay hands on the sick Jesus says: Matthew 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour. You tend to take the position that someone is not saved if they don't believe how you believe but there are all sorts of levels of belief. Both you and your wife are both Christians but you felt your view was more advanced then hers but I as you. What's wrong with being sick? Perhaps that was a test for those around her. Perhaps she simply needed Mercy and compassion. Don't you realize whatever laying on of the hands would do ultimately to your Lord you must return. Do not be like the unbelievers. Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #96) God Bless you and your wife Hi BD: My opinion does not matter.  It is what God says in His Word that I believe and so I do what the Word of God states. And apparently, God was agreeing with me about my wife since He spoke to me in this dream showing me a rabbit with turkey feathers for ears. You also are not hearing what God is saying to you. God loves you.  Are you listening? Quote For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John the Baptist whom you quoted said this: Quote Jhn 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. The Koran is not the Word of God.  I know this because it teaches that God did not have a literal Son, and it teaches that Jesus was not crucified, and that he was not raised from the dead.  God will not say one thing in the bible and then condradict it somewhere else. I will be praying that God will do all within His power to get you to see the truth. Luk 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.   Luk 24:2   And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre Luk 24:4   And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:   Luk 24:5   And as they were afraid, and bowed down [their] faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?   Luk 24:6   He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,   Luk 24:7   Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.   Luk 24:8   And they remembered his words Luk 24:9   And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.   Luk 24:10   It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [the mother] of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles.   Luk 24:11   And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.   Luk 24:12   Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.   Luk 24:13 ¶ And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] threescore furlongs.   Luk 24:14   And they talked together of all these things which had happened.   Luk 24:15   And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.   Luk 24:16   But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.   Luk 24:17   And he said unto them, What manner of communications [are] these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?   Luk 24:18   And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?   Luk 24:19   And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:   Luk 24:20   And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.   Luk 24:21   But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.   Luk 24:22   Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;   Luk 24:23   And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.   Luk 24:24   And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.   Luk 24:25   Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:   Luk 24:26   Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?   Luk 24:27   And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.   Luk 24:28 ¶ And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.   Luk 24:29   But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day i s far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.   Luk 24:30   And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them.   Luk 24:31   And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.   Luk 24:32   And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?   Luk 24:33   And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,   Luk 24:34   Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.   Luk 24:35   And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.   Luk 24:36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.   Luk 24:37   But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.   Luk 24:38   And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?   Luk 24:39   Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.   Luk 24:40   And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet.   Luk 24:41   And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?   Luk 24:42   And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.   Luk 24:43   And he took [it], and did eat before them.   Luk 24:44 ¶ And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.   Luk 24:45   Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,   Luk 24:46   And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:   Luk 24:47   And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.   Luk 24:48   And ye are witnesses of these things.   Luk 24:49   And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.   Luk 24:50 ¶ And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.   Luk 24:51   And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.   Luk 24:52   And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:   Luk 24:53   And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.   Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

You interpreted your dream it doesn't have to mean what you think but that's fine either way. Why didn't you think more honestly about your interpretation such as “Rabbits don't have turkey feathers for ears so maybe I am seeing something the wrong way”

Just as when John says behold the Lamb of God who “TAKES AWAY” the sins of the world. You assume that means to be killed? How do you take away something if you are not alive it's like I told you about the scapegoat that TAKES AWAY the sin it is ALIVE

Leviticus 16:10
But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Notice this goat that makes bloodless atonement with God which you seem to think is not possible it's just like the rabbit with turkey feathers for ears you read that statement and think something is wrong with it but it's the way you are seeing it.

When I tell you about the scapegoat why wouldn't you at least be honest enough to say ” well, yes that is a scripture that talks about Atonement without bloodshed” Instead you have to ignore the scripture to get around it.

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My opinion does not matter. It is what God says in His Word that I believe and so I do what the Word of God states.

If that were true why is it when I show you scripture after scripture that shows atonement and remission of sins without sacrifice why don't you just admit that these scriptures you either don't agree with or you don't see why they are there and guess what they far outweigh scriptures that say God needed a sacrifice I actually don't believe there is a verse that God says “I need a Sacrifice” in fact God says

Psalm 50:7-15

King James Version (KJV)

7Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.

8I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.

9I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.

10For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.

12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.

13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:

15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

This is the truth and you should be grateful to God but instead you think by someone elses blood you somehow paid God off as if God needed blood money.

God certainly 100% did not “need” any sacrifice. God can havemercy to whomever he pleases without Qualification do you not even understand what GRACE is? Is grace earned if you pay for something or something is paid for you? Doesn't God have the capacity to Forgive your debt? You say NO someone has to PAY although Godsays I would prefer you just say THANKS for EVERYTHING I will be the best Person I can be for now on.

Please pay attention

Jeremiah 7:21-23

New King James Version (NKJV)

21 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat meat. 22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’

The Question is are you listening Marty cause you can bathe in the blood of Jesus but if you have no love or obedience to God you have no salvation.

One more thing: Can you describe the procees by which God would have a LITERAL son? What exactly did he do to make that happen?

also how can Ephraim be His firstborn if Jesus is his Only “Son” in-fact how could Ephraim be His firstborn and Israel also be His firstborn. If you start to understand the use of the language you will learn much more.

God Bless you

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Hi BD:

If the Word of God will not convince you, there is nothing more that I can say to you. I am praying that God will reveal the truth to you.

I love you and desire the best that God has to offer for you and your family.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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