The Literal Son of God

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I think the romans have had a pile of fun an fortune with the jewish faith an inheritance, fancy destroying Jesus an being able to to convince the people that he made himself a sacrifice for sin…an to go on to say… he was even God.

sooner or later you might stop an consider the politics of the day an realise the same tricks are played over an over again, because Mans charachter is never going to change.

will the pope ever stand from being Gods voice,
will the government ever stop stealing to much of your wages…no

will men ever find gold coins in a fish's mouth.

No.. the fact is as long as we have need to be heckeled to prove roman christianity is true the worse the earth will become living it out!

Hi Charity:

Are you being heckled? I have stated what I know to be the truth. God loves you and so do I, but you have the freedom to choose what you believe and also to state your opinion.

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 12, 2012 at 3:00 am#284333

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Hi Gene, an its a pleasure to hear from you again also, its vey very sad that the truth will have to sound so nasty to regain the nasty loss of power. the only resaon why Romans would have anything to do with the jewish God.. is for gain an spoil, wealth an slavery, todays believers are not responsible for the actions of the past brute beast, an greed, but they are responsible to hear an judge a decent trial for Jesus…As I said, who votes for Jesus to finish what he was going to say?

smile. No Idea how KJ is, I haven't heard a word out of him for some time now! hoping all is well with him an tim.

enjoy checking in here for a dose of kiwi humor!!lol t8 vrs stu! smile..

March 12, 2012 at 3:11 am#284334

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sooner or later you might stop an consider the politics of the day an realise the same tricks are played over an over again, because Mans charachter is never going to change.

will the pope ever stand from being Gods voice,
will the government ever stop stealing to much of your wages…no

will men ever find gold coins in a fish's mouth.

No.. the fact is as long as we have need to be heckeled to prove roman christianity is true the worse the earth will become living it out!

Hi Charity:

Are you being heckled? I have stated what I know to be the truth. God loves you and so do I, but you have the freedom to choose what you believe and also to state your opinion.

Love in Christ,
Marty

hey Marty, Thank you very much, good to hear from you!

I know the sincerity of church folks… Im afraid the Brain of mankind has not been able to question the romans ruling the jewish god for an eternity…

Thank you for putting up with my opinions, I will an do listen. so you go right ahead an say it how it is…smile

March 12, 2012 at 3:59 am#284345

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So my dear friends that I think I have here would you agree that The tester-ment of John is very Roman,
..as the very verse express's the heart of choose…
an the “word was God”!!
the whole book is Roman.
the confusion sets in when you agree to have the jewish God pardon the priest whom who mocked an spat on God, that they themselvels Could't even tell any difference between a spiritual being who they were torturing; Jesus,
an to top it off we are to know truth by Johns symbol clanging words…

apart from when He died an all went Dark, the Romans became terrified an said ..
he must have been the son of God??
so they gave early christians a big hug an said we are so sorry!!
an then they chased them into the hills, an killed many off!! well all except John,
seen his grave nestled safely in the remains of the Ephesus church……died at at ripe old age I consider
roman friendly man!
where he settled an may of written his famous gospal AS THE FIRST POPE…
he may just as well be the one that betrayed Jesus not Judas
…FOR sure as; they killed Peter, he is hardly the first pope, an wouldn't be bought! the romans guard his grave like its a treasured prize an the victory over Judea an israel returnng; joining as one like they they were told to Do..to buck up an take their inheritance an land back,
they were instructed that they should they should do in christ…yet INSTEAD…KILLING THE COMMANDER…

March 12, 2012 at 4:01 am#284347

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Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Still Marty it is about repentance for the remission of sins now what is different from before when John and the other prophets preached repentance from the remission of sins?

What other message is there?

Hi BD:

You ingnored this scripture:

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Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

The sacrifice that God has provided for our sins would be what is missing;

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

Isn't it repentance that leads to the remission and forgiveness of sins?

Hi BD:

Yes, it “leads” to forgiveness of sins.

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Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Love in Christ,
Marty

God Bless you!

Thanks BD, I hope I have helped you to understand how much God loves you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

I never doubted God loves me all I have been saying the whole time is that God is beyond Christianity, Judaism and Islam as religions because the complete and only religion a man can have is SUBMISSION to God, whether Jew, Christian or Muslim but most don't understand this although Islam does say this same thing in the Quran

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)

You cannot take one groups covenant and believe it supercedes other covenants because these covenants are AGREEMENTS with those people.

Noah didn't have the Covenant of circumcision and with the gentiles Paul says they don't have the covenant of circumcision but for certain the covenant of circumcision was given to Abraham and his progeny as an EVERLASTING covenant.

There are many Covenants in the Bible and One covenant does not condemn those of another covenant

It's from FAITH to FAITH

by the way what gave you the idea that I didn't or don't understand how much God loves me?

March 18, 2012 at 12:15 am#285669

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Hi BD:

Without the sacrifice that God has provided so that our sins can be forgiven, one cannot be saved because the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I have already discussed all this with you and so the only thing that I know to do is to pray that God will reveal this to you by some means.

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 18, 2012 at 1:12 am#285698

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Hi BD:

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

When you say that you seem to want me to believe that Abraham accepted Jesus as his personal Saviour although Jesus had not been born. Abraham was MOST dertainly SAVED, would you agree?

March 18, 2012 at 2:36 am#285731

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Hi BD,

Confusion! Seems you are confining YHVH to linear time.
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the leopard beast],
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.” (Rev 13:8-9)

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

March 18, 2012 at 3:09 am#285745

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Hi BD:

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

When you say that you seem to want me to believe that Abraham accepted Jesus as his personal Saviour although Jesus had not been born. Abraham was MOST dertainly SAVED, would you agree?

Hi BD:

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Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

I have already showed you that the sacrifice that God has provided for our sins in the person of Jesus Christ
washes away the sin of all who have believed and obeyed God from the beginning of creation to the ministry of Jesus and all who come to God through him from the time of his ministry to his coming for all that are a part of the body of Christ.

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 18, 2012 at 3:20 am#285748

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Hi BD:

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

When you say that you seem to want me to believe that Abraham accepted Jesus as his personal Saviour although Jesus had not been born. Abraham was MOST dertainly SAVED, would you agree?

Hi BD:

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Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Love in Christ,
Marty

So it is those believing and obeying God that are saved, right?

You seem to be saying that from the beginning believing and obeying God was the route to salvation and then God sent Jesus and confined that route down specifically through Jesus although many had believed in God before Jesus in other words you are saying God increased His qualifications although Jesus said the qualifications were not increased.

March 18, 2012 at 3:28 am#285751

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Hi BD:

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

When you say that you seem to want me to believe that Abraham accepted Jesus as his personal Saviour although Jesus had not been born. Abraham was MOST dertainly SAVED, would you agree?

Hi BD:

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Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Love in Christ,
Marty

So it is those believing and obeying God that are saved, right?

Why am I so certain that if one of your close relatives should die (God forbid too soon) that even if they did not follow your views exactly you would somehow try to reason that they are not going to hell because they did say they believed in God.

I see it all the time and you will be no different you will suddenly learn compassion and find many scriptures or reasons to allow yourself to believe that someone close to you will not be going to hell but why wait for a tragedy to happen before you stop judging the situation and realize if Jesus says do not judge then stop trying to be better than Jesus who says he judges NO MAN.

When those around you die and they will you will wish for nothing more than their good will but you betrayed them while they were alive with your insufficient compassion and mercy. the truth is you are not God and Jesus is not God but GOD and GOD alone gives mercy and compassion to whom HE pleases and believe me you will take this position whether it is today after a loved one dies or when you are before God yourself.

March 18, 2012 at 4:05 am#285760

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….Man should learn to admit his mistakes before someone comes along to exaggerate the story, an then of corse the story has to be under-minded back into proportion for the truth!

March 18, 2012 at 8:49 pm#285944

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Hi BD:

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1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

When you say that you seem to want me to believe that Abraham accepted Jesus as his personal Saviour although Jesus had not been born. Abraham was MOST dertainly SAVED, would you agree?

Hi BD:

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Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Love in Christ,
Marty

So it is those believing and obeying God that are saved, right?

Hi BD:

This is what Jesus said relative to judging:

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Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm#285947

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And Jesus said the following:

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Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I never said anything to you about your going to hell. You don't have to go there if you do not want to go according to these scriptures.

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Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this [matter].

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 19, 2012 at 3:44 am#286008

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And Jesus said the following:

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Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I never said anything to you about your going to hell. You don't have to go there if you do not want to go according to these scriptures.

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Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this [matter].

Love in Christ,
Marty

Your whole assumption is that I reject Jesus which I have no idea why you would think that as EVERY MUSLIM MUST BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS CHRIST and I have repeated that over and over you cannot even be a Muslim if you don't believe it so how is it you can somehow ignore what I have said over and over.

If I say Jesus is not Christ I would be saying I am not a Muslim not to mention Muslims also do not assume that Jews who do not Believe that Jesus is Christ will go to Hell because as Jesus said:

Luke 16:29

King James Version (KJV)

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them

I believe you mean well but you lack the knowledge of Covenants and that would help you a lot in your understanding.

God did not make one covenant but you believe that the covenant of Christ is the only Covenant and that is incorrect here let me show you:

Are you circumcised(literally) That was an EVERLASTING COVENANT to this very day people that are under that covenant get circumcised but if you are not circumcised perhaps you make light of it.

March 19, 2012 at 4:20 am#286016

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“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)

March 19, 2012 at 4:38 am#286018

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“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)

I understand your confusion but this is tantamount to saying “He is antichrist” That denieth God and His Christ”

Otherwise you would have a problem with this verse:

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And this would be utter confusion:

1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Unless you accept the truth of it and that is the term Son of God is not literal it is a term of Righteousness just like when Jesus said:

Mark 3:16-17

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16And Simon he surnamed Peter;

17And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:

Do you believe that Peter is an actual rock or that the brothers here are actual sons of thunder?

I am teaching you the truth and every Muslim knows that Jesus is Christ but of course God does not have actual children and it is said that those who are led by the spirit are his children so you are simply being literal when there is no need for it, If Jesus was theliteral son of God he would not have said “On this day I have begotten thee” that would not be possible if it was literal, right?

March 19, 2012 at 7:03 pm#286068

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I understand your confusion

Hi BD,

quran(71) = Babylon(71)
Babylon means 'confusion'

Do you understand your confusion? of course not 'Delusion'(99) is your master!
This is the word of (יהוה) YHVH unto Zerubbabel(coming out of confusion), saying,
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the “LORD of Hosts.” (Zech 4:6)

Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.

“GOD: One Spirit”

  (26)”יהוה” = “God”(26)……………………………..(Rom. 1:20)
  (77)”Christ” = “And Father”(77)…………………..(Coloss.2:9)
(46)”Body” = “of all”(46)……………………………(Matt.10:29)
  (109)”Witness” = “in you all”(109)…………………….(Acts 17:29)

1 John 3:8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.

“One Spirit: GOD”=151

LORD of Hosts=151 (The AKJV Bible)
Jesus Christ=151 (The New Testament)
Holy Spirit=151 (Old and New Testament)
The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

March 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm#286079

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I understand your confusion

Hi BD,

quran(71) = Babylon(71)
Babylon means 'confusion'

“GOD: One Spirit”

1 John 3:8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.

“One Spirit: GOD”=151

LORD of Hosts=151 (The AKJV Bible)
Jesus Christ=151 (The New Testament)
Holy Spirit=151 (Old and New Testament)
The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

Last Adam = 71
Moses = 71

Quran = 71

acceptance = 71

Why do you keep bringing the numbers up when you know I can just go to this link http://www.gematrix.org/?word=71

Put any number in and get a wide selection of words and then just pick the ones I like or don't like just like you do. Oops! I gave the magic trick away. Yes guys http://www.gematrix.org/

It is a fun little trick but using it to conjure religious meaning is a bit unethical

For instance I tell someone I am chosen by God and say Bodhitharta = 106

Prophecy = 106

Divine plan =106

identity = 106

The Kingdom = 106

blessings = 106

So in the Prophecy (106) of the divine plan(106) the identity(106) of Bodhitharta(106) received blessings(106) and was given keys to the kingdom(106)

1+0+6 =7 see it's all so simple to conjure.

March 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm#286086