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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,02:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,15:31) Hi BD, Have you never read the bible: Jesus WILLINGLY was
sacrificed under Roman authorities by a Jewish mandate.B'shem
YHVH
Pontious Pilate said he was going to chastise Jesus and let him go washing his hands of the whole matter of shedding innocent blood. He wasn't scared of the Jews so what makes you think he didn't do what he said he would?Psalm 26
1Judge me, O LORD; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD; therefore I shall not slide.
2Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.
3For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth.
4I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers.
5I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.
6I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O LORD:
7That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.
8LORD, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.
9Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men:
10In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes.
11But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me.
12My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the LORD.
Learn ED
Matthew 27:19-25
King James Version (KJV)
19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.
20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Luke 23:15-16
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15No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16I will therefore chastise him, and release him.
Luke 23:12
King James Version (KJV)
12And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.
Luke 23:22
And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.Now ED did Jesus bear his Cross or did someone else bear it?
John 19:17
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17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Luke 23:26
Matthew 27:32
And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: ]B]him they compelled to bear his cross.[/B]
Hi BD,Proving ‘islam is FALSE’ …the Crucifixion account explained
islam rejects vicarious salvation,
but accepts it at the same time. …WHAT HYPOCRISY!
B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,03:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,02:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,15:31) Hi BD, Have you never read the bible: Jesus WILLINGLY was
sacrificed under Roman authorities by a Jewish mandate.B'shem
YHVH
Pontious Pilate said he was going to chastise Jesus and let him go washing his hands of the whole matter of shedding innocent blood. He wasn't scared of the Jews so what makes you think he didn't do what he said he would?
HI BD,I didn't say that he was scared of the Jews, I said he followed their mandate.
B'shem
YHVH
He said he was washing his hands of the whole matter as his wife also told him to(You know those romans listened to their wives) He said he would set him free and Herod sent him back as well.So Pontious had him said he would set him free sent him to herod who also felt he should be set free those two became friends and Pontious insists 3 times he is going to set Jesus free they present for the people a bruised up person with a robe and crown of thorns someone else bears that persons cross
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,03:06) Hi BD, Proving ‘islam is FALSE’ …the Crucifixion account explained
islam rejects vicarious salvation,
but accepts it at the same time. …WHAT HYPOCRISY!
B'shem
YHVH
Do yourself a favor ED and stop posting any videos from Walid Shoebat because honestly as soon as I hear his voice I don't even continue to listen to that Mischief Maker so unless it is simply your goal to spread his mischief to others don't bother posting anything of his for the purpose of me viewing it because I won't even play the video upon hearing his voiceIn-fact, all I will do is reply to the post to delete the video and move the thread along without having to even look at the box and the more you post his garbage it certainly affirms to me that you are not serious or honest about facts and truth.
Hi BD,
I already know that you have shut your ears to the truth.
I post them to expose the lies you are attempting to spread.
All Christians reading can see how easy the lies are to expose!B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,03:24) Hi BD, I already know that you have shut your ears to the truth.
I post them to expose the lies you are attempting to spread.
All Christians reading can see how easy the lies are to expose!B'shem
YHVH
So Walid Shoebat speaks the truth like you?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,06:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,03:24) Hi BD, I already know that you have shut your ears to the truth.
I post them to expose the lies you are attempting to spread.
All Christians reading can see how easy the lies are to expose!B'shem
YHVH
So Walid Shoebat speaks the truth like you?
Hi BD,Thank you! …perhaps you are now beginning to see the light of truth!
Isa 9:2 The (muslim) people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:
they (the islamists) that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.YHVH's blessings
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,04:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,06:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,03:24) Hi BD, I already know that you have shut your ears to the truth.
I post them to expose the lies you are attempting to spread.
All Christians reading can see how easy the lies are to expose!B'shem
YHVH
So Walid Shoebat speaks the truth like you?
Hi BD,Thank you! …perhaps you are now beginning to see the light of truth!
Isa 9:2 The (muslim) people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:
they (the islamists) that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.YHVH's blessings
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
So if I show you where walid is ignorant and a liar you will admit the same about yourself?Hi BD:
God is a living person, and the Son of the Living God is a living person was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary with her permission. This is an act of Love by God for the purpose of redeeming mankind unto Himself. It has nothing to do with procreation. A person is defined by the life that he lives, and so, although he was the literal Son of God by having been conceived by the Holy Ghost, he was not the express image of God's person through this fact but by obeying the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross.
Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 30 2012,13:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,04:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,06:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,03:24) Hi BD, I already know that you have shut your ears to the truth.
I post them to expose the lies you are attempting to spread.
All Christians reading can see how easy the lies are to expose!B'shem
YHVH
So Walid Shoebat speaks the truth like you?
Hi BD,Thank you! …perhaps you are now beginning to see the light of truth!
Isa 9:2 The (muslim) people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:
they (the islamists) that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.YHVH's blessings
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
So if I show you where walid is ignorant and a liar you will admit the same about yourself?
“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or
falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.” (Romans 14:4)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,14:22) Hi BD: God is a living person, and the Son of the Living God is a living person was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary with her permission. This is an act of Love by God for the purpose of redeeming mankind unto Himself. It has nothing to do with procreation. A person is defined by the life that he lives, and so, although he was the literal Son of God by having been conceived by the Holy Ghost, he was not the express image of God's person through this fact but by obeying the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross.
Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Love in Christ,
Marty
If you believe Jesus was procreated then what was Adam?God Created Adam and Jesus and they are both called son of God.
God did not need to redeem mankind to Himself have you not read the Bible and read about all the prophets and righteous people who were very close to God? This thought of everyone being seperated from God is not Biblical at all because God has always given an open invitation for anyone to draw nigh to Him with the promise that He will draw nigh to them if they do.
Hi BD,
“What is God's name, and what is
his son's name, if thou canst tell?” (Prob.30:4)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,19:17) Hi BD, “What is God's name, and what is
his son's name, if thou canst tell?” (Prob.30:4)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
ED could you please stop altering the words of the Bible?Proverbs 30:4
King James Version (KJV)
4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2012,00:36) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,14:22) Hi BD: God is a living person, and the Son of the Living God is a living person was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary with her permission. This is an act of Love by God for the purpose of redeeming mankind unto Himself. It has nothing to do with procreation. A person is defined by the life that he lives, and so, although he was the literal Son of God by having been conceived by the Holy Ghost, he was not the express image of God's person through this fact but by obeying the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross.
Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Love in Christ,
Marty
If you believe Jesus was procreated then what was Adam?God Created Adam and Jesus and they are both called son of God.
God did not need to redeem mankind to Himself have you not read the Bible and read about all the prophets and righteous people who were very close to God? This thought of everyone being seperated from God is not Biblical at all because God has always given an open invitation for anyone to draw nigh to Him with the promise that He will draw nigh to them if they do.
Hi BD:This is what the scriptures state:
Quote Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Adam was a created being, just as the angels were created beings. He was the “the first Adam” and is referred to as a son of God. Angels are also called sons of God, in Job 38.
You say:
Quote God did not need to redeem mankind to Himself have you not read the Bible and read about all the prophets and righteous people who were very close to God? This thought of everyone being seperated from God is not Biblical at all because God has always given an open invitation for anyone to draw nigh to Him with the promise that He will draw nigh to them if they do. Yes, God needed to redeem mankind to himself because all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Even those who were considered in right standing with God to whom you are referring have sinned. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all who obeyed God in the OT and all who come to God through him in the NT.
Quote Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Quote 1Ki 8:44 ¶ If thy people go out to battle against their enemy, whithersoever thou shalt send them, and shall pray unto the LORD toward the city which thou hast chosen, and [toward] the house that I have built for thy name: 1Ki 8:45 Then hear thou in heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.
1Ki 8:46 ¶ If they sin against thee, (for [there is] no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
All men born of the sperm of man, the first Adam, have sinned, and if Jesus had not obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, all of humanity would be dead or separated from God through sin.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 26 2012,12:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2012,00:36) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,14:22) Hi BD: God is a living person, and the Son of the Living God is a living person was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary with her permission. This is an act of Love by God for the purpose of redeeming mankind unto Himself. It has nothing to do with procreation. A person is defined by the life that he lives, and so, although he was the literal Son of God by having been conceived by the Holy Ghost, he was not the express image of God's person through this fact but by obeying the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross.
Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Love in Christ,
Marty
If you believe Jesus was procreated then what was Adam?God Created Adam and Jesus and they are both called son of God.
God did not need to redeem mankind to Himself have you not read the Bible and read about all the prophets and righteous people who were very close to God? This thought of everyone being seperated from God is not Biblical at all because God has always given an open invitation for anyone to draw nigh to Him with the promise that He will draw nigh to them if they do.
Hi BD:This is what the scriptures state:
Quote Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Adam was a created being, just as the angels were created beings. He was the “the first Adam” and is referred to as a son of God. Angels are also called sons of God, in Job 38.
You say:
Quote God did not need to redeem mankind to Himself have you not read the Bible and read about all the prophets and righteous people who were very close to God? This thought of everyone being seperated from God is not Biblical at all because God has always given an open invitation for anyone to draw nigh to Him with the promise that He will draw nigh to them if they do. Yes, God needed to redeem mankind to himself because all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Even those who were considered in right standing with God to whom you are referring have sinned. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all who obeyed God in the OT and all who come to God through him in the NT.
Quote Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Quote 1Ki 8:44 ¶ If thy people go out to battle against their enemy, whithersoever thou shalt send them, and shall pray unto the LORD toward the city which thou hast chosen, and [toward] the house that I have built for thy name: 1Ki 8:45 Then hear thou in heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.
1Ki 8:46 ¶ If they sin against thee, (for [there is] no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
All men born of the sperm of man, the first Adam, have sinned, and if Jesus had not obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, all of humanity would be dead or separated from God through sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Sin does not keep anyone from God only unrepentant sin does that. God has made clear that anyone can be righteous and find approval in the sight of God and anyone who is righteous can also turn from that righteousness look at what the actual viewpoint of God is:Ezekiel 33:12
Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.Marty there it is undisputable proof that the remission of sin comes from repentance period. The purpose of people believing in Christ is simply that they should repent as Jesus said:
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.He says this is his reason for coming not any Sacrifice do you understand what MERCY means?
Mercy (Middle English, from Anglo-French merci, from Medieval Latin merced-, merces, from Latin, “price paid, wages”, from merc-, merxi “merchandise”)
Remember what they said about Jesus:
Mark 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?Jesus was saying right there and then not some fu
ture time that God was Merciful and that person was forgiven for the scriptures sayPsalm 130:3-5
King James Version (KJV)
3If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
4But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
God does not condemn the repentant person and HE NEVER HAS.
It is very good that you found God through Christ and have repented but It is important to understand that Mercy and Compassion was not invented at the “Cross” God has ALWAYS been this way
Psalm 86:15
But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.Psalm 145:8
The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.Micah 7:19
He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.This is the greatest understanding that anyone can have SALVATION has always been at hand and God's arms have never been too short to SAVE
Isaiah 59:1
Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:1 Chronicles 16:23
Sing unto the LORD, all the earth; shew forth from day to day his salvation.YES since the beginning of Time and even unto the end GOD SAVES and in regard to paying a PRICE look at MERCY again
Mercy (Middle English, from Anglo-French merci, from Medieval Latin merced-, merces, from Latin, “price paid, wages”, from merc-, merxi “merchandise”)
God already Owns all things everything is because of His Mercy and in regards to sacrifice who would God be sacrificing to, Himself?
Psalm 50:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Remember God gave us the whole world and therefore all the Mercy is already there when we repent we understand his MERCHANDISE
God Bless
Hi BD:
God indeed is a merciful God and He will forgive anyone who comes to Him with a repentant heart believing the gospel.
Jesus did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. He said this:
Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
And:
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Quote Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hbr 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
Hbr 10:19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Hbr 10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
Hbr 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 27 2012,12:13) Hi BD: God indeed is a merciful God and He will forgive anyone who comes to Him with a repentant heart believing the gospel.
Jesus did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. He said this:
Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
And:
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Quote Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hbr 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
Hbr 10:19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Hbr 10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
Hbr 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyHebrews !0:5 is a misquote of the Old Testament by Paul, look:
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.Paul translated “Mine ears have opened” into “A body thou has prepared for me” it is a misquote
Once you know the truth why should you dispute it. The verse in Hebrew 10:5 says “he saith” but he didn't say that so it is incorrect
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 23 2012,05:32) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,19:17) Hi BD, “What is God's name, and what is
his son's name, if thou canst tell?” (Prob.30:4)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
ED could you please stop altering the words of the Bible?Proverbs 30:4
King James Version (KJV)
4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Hi BD,יהוה YÄ-hä-vā / יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă
“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)YOUR 'al-Lah' is a false god. (see Gal.1:8 & 2Cor.11:14)
and Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.13:11, 13:18.B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34).
BD said:Quote
Sin does not keep anyone from God“Your iniquities have separated between you and your God,
and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”“Your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity;
your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.” (Isa 59:2-3)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 27 2012,17:47) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 27 2012,12:13) Hi BD: God indeed is a merciful God and He will forgive anyone who comes to Him with a repentant heart believing the gospel.
Jesus did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. He said this:
Quote Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
And:
Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Quote Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hbr 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
Hbr 10:19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Hbr 10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
Hbr 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyHebrews !0:5 is a misquote of the Old Testament by Paul, look:
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.Paul translated “Mine ears have opened” into “A body thou has prepared for me” it is a misquote
Once you know the truth why should you dispute it. The verse in Hebrew 10:5 says “he saith” but he didn't say that so it is incorrect
No, BD:Jesus is not quotiing the Psalm but does make reference to it. He is speaking of himself and the purpose for his ministry.
When are you going to stop resisting the truth? You cannot be saved by your own works although you may be a “good” person.
Salvation is of faith (believing what God has done for us) so that it might be by grace (not something we earned) lest any man should boast.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,22:17) .
BD said:Quote
Sin does not keep anyone from God“Your iniquities have separated between you and your God,
and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”“Your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity;
your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.” (Isa 59:2-3)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDYou didn't comprehend what I said. Repentance is all that is needed this is what GOD SAYS HIMSELF even if you do not believe it.
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